The same applies. If you count section 8 there are probably several thousand units. It only takes one criminal to wreck a neighborhood.
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The same applies. If you count section 8 there are probably several thousand units. It only takes one criminal to wreck a neighborhood.
Yes. GEt rid of the public housing and that will fix things. THe nice towns fight like hell to prevent public housing.
Many of RR lines are still there but nobody was using the trains so they discontinued service.
Wrong. Depression and WW were not the problems. AC was fine AFTER WW1/2 until they started building public housing. The nice towns all had the same depression and WW1/2..
Wrong. They ELECTED their government. They wanted welfare and they elected officials that supported low income housing. The neighboring towns did the opposite.
Section 8 housing is *not* public housing. It is private housing, with tenants receiving government vouchers to help them pay the rent to the private landlord.
I think I'm done with this zwicker dude.
First.. he compares it to neighboring towns built on the family vacation trade and summer vacation homes. He ignores that the rail ridership decrease was not because people did not want to ride on trains.. but we build the interstate highway system and everyone had a car and could go anywhere.. pair that with commercial flights to exotic locales.. and Atlantic City was not what it once was. Yet it had built up a city infrastructure to support what it once was.
AC's biggest industry struggled for decades.
Public housing was first approached in terms of the lack of housing after the post-war baby boom in.. 1950 or so. In the 60s with Johnson we saw HUD. And the black riots in cities all across america did not help cities' tax bases one bit in the late 60s. Add to that how HUD destroyed neighborhoods and put up those public housing towers.. to create space for other development.. highways, stores, etc... by concentrating the poor people from those small multi-family homes they tore down into those towers... they created land.
But to zwicker.. doesn't matter.. its all about poor people wanting to milk the system.
AC in the 1970s.. when public housing really geared up.. AC was a dump. jobs were few.. people are struggling. White elephant hotels everywhere. AC actually goes as far as thinking casino gambling might help revitalize the place.
But to zwicker, people make the decision to be poor, to have few prospects... to have poor school districts and live in gang infested public housing projects. Its a choice.
zwicker is the very model of what liberals want conservatives to be.
In this thread I proposed how I thought high speed rail down the shore could help lure investment into AC.. and jobs.. but to zwicker.. that is a handout.
Now I'm done.
First.. he compares it to neighboring towns built on the family vacation trade and summer vacation homes. He ignores that the rail ridership decrease was not because people did not want to ride on trains.. but we build the interstate highway system and everyone had a car and could go anywhere.. pair that with commercial flights to exotic locales.. and Atlantic City was not what it once was. Yet it had built up a city infrastructure to support what it once was.
AC's biggest industry struggled for decades.
Public housing was first approached in terms of the lack of housing after the post-war baby boom in.. 1950 or so. In the 60s with Johnson we saw HUD. And the black riots in cities all across america did not help cities' tax bases one bit in the late 60s. Add to that how HUD destroyed neighborhoods and put up those public housing towers.. to create space for other development.. highways, stores, etc... by concentrating the poor people from those small multi-family homes they tore down into those towers... they created land.
But to zwicker.. doesn't matter.. its all about poor people wanting to milk the system.
AC in the 1970s.. when public housing really geared up.. AC was a dump. jobs were few.. people are struggling. White elephant hotels everywhere. AC actually goes as far as thinking casino gambling might help revitalize the place.
But to zwicker, people make the decision to be poor, to have few prospects... to have poor school districts and live in gang infested public housing projects. Its a choice.
zwicker is the very model of what liberals want conservatives to be.
In this thread I proposed how I thought high speed rail down the shore could help lure investment into AC.. and jobs.. but to zwicker.. that is a handout.
Now I'm done.
I knew this thread was going down the toilet when he kept going back to the same thing as being the reason for the problems of Atlantic City. I'm not sure why you wasted so much time arguing with him. Don't let him kill your spirits.I think I'm done with this zwicker dude.
First.. he compares it to neighboring towns built on the family vacation trade and summer vacation homes. He ignores that the rail ridership decrease was not because people did not want to ride on trains.. but we build the interstate highway system and everyone had a car and could go anywhere.. pair that with commercial flights to exotic locales.. and Atlantic City was not what it once was. Yet it had built up a city infrastructure to support what it once was.
AC's biggest industry struggled for decades.
Public housing was first approached in terms of the lack of housing after the post-war baby boom in.. 1950 or so. In the 60s with Johnson we saw HUD. And the black riots in cities all across america did not help cities' tax bases one bit in the late 60s. Add to that how HUD destroyed neighborhoods and put up those public housing towers.. to create space for other development.. highways, stores, etc... by concentrating the poor people from those small multi-family homes they tore down into those towers... they created land.
But to zwicker.. doesn't matter.. its all about poor people wanting to milk the system.
AC in the 1970s.. when public housing really geared up.. AC was a dump. jobs were few.. people are struggling. White elephant hotels everywhere. AC actually goes as far as thinking casino gambling might help revitalize the place.
But to zwicker, people make the decision to be poor, to have few prospects... to have poor school districts and live in gang infested public housing projects. Its a choice.
zwicker is the very model of what liberals want conservatives to be.
In this thread I proposed how I thought high speed rail down the shore could help lure investment into AC.. and jobs.. but to zwicker.. that is a handout.
Now I'm done.
I still can't believe this project hasn't happened. Southern Monmouth and Northern Ocean have exploded, and the rail would be filled for sure,as property value in those areas would also increase.
time to lock
there is subtle and not so subtle racism through out this thread.
there is subtle and not so subtle racism through out this thread.
"Everyone had a car and could go ANYWHERE" You don't need HSR when everyone can go anywhere. YOu don't spend billions on HSR and then have a highway right next to the HSR. It is one or the other. It does not matter to me. You can pick. YOu want both and then want someone else to pay the bill.
And that is when the town went down the toilet.
I am done too. I was willing to agree to your plan if you agreed to compromise but at the end of the day YOU just want a handout. I even said I would agree to HSR if you give up the welfare. Do you want jobs or welfare? At the end of the day you still want the welfare.
We ALREADY tried ALL YOUR Plans A, B, C, X, Y, Z, free housing, mo funding, new schools, mo funding, access to schools, mo funding, mo inner city teachers, mo funding, mo inner city administrators, free breakfast, free lunch, free education, free healthcare, free obamaphones and now your new plan is for HSR. PUT some skin in the game for once!!!!
If you really think YOUR grand plan is going to fix anything and create jobs then agree to cut welfare and we will use YOUR plan!!
EVer notice that the poor's solution for all their problems are always for someone else to provide? Notice how GoodOleRutgers vision does not list anything that the people in AC will actually do or contribute to the solution? NOT one thing.
ARe the people in AC going to stop destroying the schools? Why do we spend over 200k for education and half of them can only work at MCDonalds? ARe they going to stop committing crimes? ARE they going to take care of their kids? They don't even feed their kids breakfast.
HSR is a waste on AC. WE have already wasted billions on AC and got nothing in return.
Until the people in AC are ready to address THEIR internal problems then F them. Not one more dime.
It does not make sense. It fails.
Could you explain why neighborhoods that ALREADY have subways, regional rails and easy access to Center City PHilly and NYC are total ghettos where you can buy homes for a dollar?
If you think GoodOLeRutgers plan will work then will YOU agree to cut welfare and eliminate low income housing in return for the HSR? I asked GoodOleRutgers that question and he never answered.
Deep down you both know the plan will fail. The lower class have no pride, no ambitions, and a lousy work ethic. WE spend over 200k on a k-12 edu and half of them can only work at McDonalds.
You don't know what you're talking about. The landlords are still free to screen tenants however they want. Without section 8, you'd have loads of people living in the streets because they wouldn't be able to afford rents -- would you like that?
Disagree. WE have thousands of abandoned units. They could simply move back to the same homes they abandoned when they moved into public housing/section 8. Philly alone has an estimated 30k-40k abandoned homes.
Where did people live BEFORE section 8 housing? Before section 8 housing, AC was a tourist destination and not a ghetto.
Actually, many of them lived in the very public housing projects that you attack. Many of the rest were living in the same places they are now, but at a less affordable rent. Section 8 did not attract them to Atlantic City.
Section 8 and low income attracts crime and destroys the schools. Can you explain why the politicians that support low income housing NEVER support it in their OWN neighborhoods? Why is Hillary's town fighting low income housing?
