OT: Real Estate Question - Toms River/Brick and area

[tom1944]

You do know that the Lakewood school system is under state purview? You do know they have a loan from the state that they are in default. Tell me how this is not a state problem? The state does not pay for Catholic School busing. The individual towns do. I guess you didn’t read the article I posted earlier regarding the issues and the pending further insolvency of the Lakewood public school system.

N.J. school district says it’s broke, can’t pay teachers without emergency loan

The school district requested a $104 million loan from the state that has not arrived yet, local school officials said.

www.nj.com

I am well aware that Lakewood along with a number of towns without Orthodox students get significant State aid. The busing issue is a large problem in Lakewood but it is not unfair that Orthodox parents receive reimbursement for busing.

Let the Orthodox enroll their kids in the public schools in Lakewood and the State aid for the cost of busing will seem like nothing.

 

[rcube1994]

Personally I would never raise my family in NJ, absolutely not. It's as corrupt as corrupt can get and costs and absolute fortune.

I live 15 min outside of Washington DC today.

Glad you were able to escape New Jersey to such a virtuous and honest city as DC. I hear the cost of living near DC is quite affordable also.

Not sure why anyone argues with this guy who has no actual knowledge of what is happening in Lakewood and surroundings.

 

[kupuna133]

I am well aware that Lakewood along with a number of towns without Orthodox students get significant State aid. The busing issue is a large problem in Lakewood but it is not unfair that Orthodox parents receive reimbursement for busing.

Let the Orthodox enroll their kids in the public schools in Lakewood and the State aid for the cost of busing will seem like nothing.

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

Tom is pretending to be:

 

[tom1944]

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

I worked at Taxation before I worked at OMB. I know exactly about the exempt properties in Lakewood. The rumors about individuals having exempt properties is overblown. The number of tax-exempt properties in Lakewood is similar to the number of tax-exempt properties in similar sized towns.

You pay taxes. But more than half the property in these 15 towns isn't taxed at all.

There's about $157 billion worth of tax-exempt land that houses schools, churches, cemeteries, nonprofits, government offices or federally protected fields, state data show.

www.nj.com

 

[kupuna133]

I worked at Taxation before I worked at OMB. I know exactly about the exempt properties in Lakewood. The rumors about individuals having exempt properties is overblown. The number of tax-exempt properties in Lakewood is similar to the number of tax-exempt properties in similar sized towns.

Not even close to similar sized towns. Yes some of the stories are overblown. The numbers I quoted is probably low and comes directly from the senators mouth. The other thing being overlooked is the federal subsidies discussed in the articles above. The percentage of the Lakewood population on government subsidy is unbelievable. Yet 100% go to private school. Where does that money come from? The question is rhetorical. As I said earlier the private busing is cover. Federal state and local money is disappearing at a profound rate.