OT: Real Estate Question - Toms River/Brick and area

[tom1944]

You do know that the Lakewood school system is under state purview? You do know they have a loan from the state that they are in default. Tell me how this is not a state problem? The state does not pay for Catholic School busing. The individual towns do. I guess you didn’t read the article I posted earlier regarding the issues and the pending further insolvency of the Lakewood public school system.

N.J. school district says it’s broke, can’t pay teachers without emergency loan

The school district requested a $104 million loan from the state that has not arrived yet, local school officials said.

www.nj.com

I am well aware that Lakewood along with a number of towns without Orthodox students get significant State aid. The busing issue is a large problem in Lakewood but it is not unfair that Orthodox parents receive reimbursement for busing.

Let the Orthodox enroll their kids in the public schools in Lakewood and the State aid for the cost of busing will seem like nothing.

 

[rcube1994]

Personally I would never raise my family in NJ, absolutely not. It's as corrupt as corrupt can get and costs and absolute fortune.

I live 15 min outside of Washington DC today.

Glad you were able to escape New Jersey to such a virtuous and honest city as DC. I hear the cost of living near DC is quite affordable also.

Not sure why anyone argues with this guy who has no actual knowledge of what is happening in Lakewood and surroundings.

 

[kupuna133]

I am well aware that Lakewood along with a number of towns without Orthodox students get significant State aid. The busing issue is a large problem in Lakewood but it is not unfair that Orthodox parents receive reimbursement for busing.

Let the Orthodox enroll their kids in the public schools in Lakewood and the State aid for the cost of busing will seem like nothing.

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

Tom is pretending to be:

 

[tom1944]

Tom where did I say any of the things you are saying? This is more than state aid. Tom the state pretty much took over the public school system in Lakewood because the budget was gutted. The state provides aid and then was forced to bail them out on multiple occasions in the form of loans. Which they are in default. This goes beyond courtesy busing. That is what is being used as cover.

You want to know what would happen if they sent their kids to public schools. There would be record funding. And there would be centralized busing versus busing to the more than 100 private yeshivas in Lakewood and 50more in the surrounding towns. Pretty much all the problems would be solved. But that is not realistic. And you do know that there are more than 700 tax exempt structures/properties (attached to the community alone) in town and the families that domicile in those structures.

Had pretty much this exact conversation with a local foundation and Senator Singer. The foundation recommended a more regional approach to the yeshiva system versus multiple yeshiva pulling from the same block. There are some yeshivas that enroll 10 or fewer children yet they have multiple busses/vans pulling into their lot.

I worked at Taxation before I worked at OMB. I know exactly about the exempt properties in Lakewood. The rumors about individuals having exempt properties is overblown. The number of tax-exempt properties in Lakewood is similar to the number of tax-exempt properties in similar sized towns.

You pay taxes. But more than half the property in these 15 towns isn't taxed at all.

There's about $157 billion worth of tax-exempt land that houses schools, churches, cemeteries, nonprofits, government offices or federally protected fields, state data show.

www.nj.com

 

[kupuna133]

I worked at Taxation before I worked at OMB. I know exactly about the exempt properties in Lakewood. The rumors about individuals having exempt properties is overblown. The number of tax-exempt properties in Lakewood is similar to the number of tax-exempt properties in similar sized towns.

Not even close to similar sized towns. Yes some of the stories are overblown. The numbers I quoted is probably low and comes directly from the senators mouth. The other thing being overlooked is the federal subsidies discussed in the articles above. The percentage of the Lakewood population on government subsidy is unbelievable. Yet 100% go to private school. Where does that money come from? The question is rhetorical. As I said earlier the private busing is cover. Federal state and local money is disappearing at a profound rate.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Crazy when those pesky fact get in the way

I bet he thought that retort re: Pikesville was a winner.

I suppose we are all guilty of arguing with a fool.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I’m not getting the argument of the “groups” that have systematically taken over towns like Lakewood are being termed based on their religion. They are using religion to use when they need it but this is not about them freely practicing or the right to move where they want.
They are breaking laws, believe me, their realtors are discouraging anyone outside of their group from moving in. They have also been found guilty of many laws. There was a big case against many a few years ago.
The way they cheat for housing subsidies, food stamps etc.
So many things. And it is not like many minority groups that do the same, those people doing it are not organized with high powered lawyers and a business plan.

 

[yessir321]

Glad you were able to escape New Jersey to such a virtuous and honest city as DC. I hear the cost of living near DC is quite affordable also.

Not sure why anyone argues with this guy who has no actual knowledge of what is happening in Lakewood and surroundings.

Do I live in DC? Nope! Live in Silver Spring Md, 15 min outside of DC.

I’ll take Maryland EVERY DAY over Jersey

 

[kupuna133]

I worked at Taxation before I worked at OMB. I know exactly about the exempt properties in Lakewood. The rumors about individuals having exempt properties is overblown. The number of tax-exempt properties in Lakewood is similar to the number of tax-exempt properties in similar sized towns.

You pay taxes. But more than half the property in these 15 towns isn't taxed at all.

There's about $157 billion worth of tax-exempt land that houses schools, churches, cemeteries, nonprofits, government offices or federally protected fields, state data show.

www.nj.com

You attached an article that actually disproves your argument. None of those towns are similar in size. And most of the properties that are contained in those towns are not taxed because they are schools, public property or government buildings.

And it looks like you overlooked this paragraph:

"Towns with highest values of tax-exempt properties are not surprisingly some of the larger cities like Newark, Jersey City and Lakewood. But also some of the cities that can afford it the least."

Exactly what has been discussed in this thread. Again no one mentioned religion until you know who joined the conversation. It was always about fiscal responsibility, infrastructure, zoning, public policy, responsible land development and being good citizens/neighbors.

 

[bob-loblaw]

Do I live in DC? Nope! Live in Silver Spring Md, 15 min outside of DC.

I’ll take Maryland EVERY DAY over Jersey

What are your thoughts on project 2025

 

[yessir321]

What are your thoughts on project 2025

My thoughts are this is a college football message board and a question about real estate that has gone off on a tangent about something entirely different and why the f*ck would you care what I think of project 2025?

I mean unless your the type that goes fishing for liberal tears because you get off on them there’s no reason to be asking that question

 

[bob-loblaw]

My thoughts are this is a college football message board and a question about real estate that has gone off on a tangent about something entirely different and why the f*ck would you care what I think of project 2025?

I mean unless your the type that goes fishing for liberal tears because you get off on them there’s no reason to be asking that question

I agree. What started as steering someone away from he/she may not be in tune to, went off the rails and badly. I ask because you seem to broad stroke every comment as anti-jewish. The reality is that the ire is not directed at a religion, it's directed at a sect of said religion. Just as people on the left tend to declare anyone with devout christian values into a "far-right" bucket and declare them anything and everything that allows them to virtue signal their position to others. Its nonsense.

As a member of the radical middle, nothing draws my ire more than people on the far left or far right, declaring anyone who disagrees with them a ____ (fill in the blank). It's stupid.

It's very easy, and not wrong, to opine with an opinion disliking something, someone or anything. Having witness them in NJ and Upstate NY, I have no problem stating that I dislike the self-serving nature of the orthodox community. Doesnt make me an anti-semite, a nazi or any other stupid label. This labeling horseshit is what pushed Trump back into office.

 

[kupuna133]

I agree. What started as steering someone away from he/she may not be in tune to, went off the rails and badly. I ask because you seem to broad stroke every comment as anti-jewish. The reality is that the ire is not directed at a religion, it's directed at a sect of said religion. Just as people on the left tend to declare anyone with devout christian values into a "far-right" bucket and declare them anything and everything that allows them to virtue signal their position to others. Its nonsense.

As a member of the radical middle, nothing draws my ire more than people on the far left or far right, declaring anyone who disagrees with them a ____ (fill in the blank). It's stupid.

It's very easy, and not wrong, to opine with an opinion disliking something, someone or anything. Having witness them in NJ and Upstate NY, I have no problem stating that I dislike the self-serving nature of the orthodox community. Doesnt make me an anti-semite, a nazi or any other stupid label. This labeling horseshit is what pushed Trump back into office.

When and how did it go off the rails? This was a mostly civil discussion for the first13-14 pages of this thread. Without really mentioning/focusing on politics or religion. Then something happened.... hmmmmm

 

[NotInRHouse]

Those are some good points, but I think like most things in life, compromise is the hardest thing, yet the ultimate goal, and if people put their pride and ego aside, can be accomplished relatively easily in most cases

I guess it depends what is being compromised. Everyone has a limit.

 

[NotInRHouse]

I’m not getting the argument of the “groups” that have systematically taken over towns like Lakewood are being termed based on their religion. They are using religion to use when they need it but this is not about them freely practicing or the right to move where they want.
They are breaking laws, believe me, their realtors are discouraging anyone outside of their group from moving in. They have also been found guilty of many laws. There was a big case against many a few years ago.
The way they cheat for housing subsidies, food stamps etc.
So many things. And it is not like many minority groups that do the same, those people doing it are not organized with high powered lawyers and a business plan.

If the realtors are doing that they are also breaking the law. It's bigly illegal.

I am definitely for enforcing the laws but I am not sure which case you are talking about.

There is a federal rule called RLIUPA which is very generous in terms of building houses of worship, and NJ state law on busing ALL private school students, both of which in my mind are long due for repeal.

In terms of benefits, if people break the law they should be charged to the fullest extent possible. If they're not, vote out the officials not doing the work.

From what I can tell in both Ocean and Rockland, the communities in question vote the same way as many of the surrounding towns and thus nothing changes. People need to vote- especially in low turnout local elections. NJ state elections are in odd years are they bet on people not showing up. Why don't the people in opposition become organized? And endorse people who will reform/enforce the laws as they wish? In the current environment with things so polarized, it's very easy for people whose ideology is "give me benefits" to wait to cast their lot and become a kingmaker knowing the opposition is disorganized.

 

[kupuna133]

If the realtors are doing that they are also breaking the law. It's bigly illegal.

I am definitely for enforcing the laws but I am not sure which case you are talking about.

There is a federal rule called RLIUPA which is very generous in terms of building houses of worship, and NJ state law on busing ALL private school students, both of which in my mind are long due for repeal.

In terms of benefits, if people break the law they should be charged to the fullest extent possible. If they're not, vote out the officials not doing the work.

From what I can tell in both Ocean and Rockland, the communities in question vote the same way as many of the surrounding towns and thus nothing changes. People need to vote- especially in low turnout local elections. NJ state elections are in odd years are they bet on people not showing up. Why don't the people in opposition become organized? And endorse people who will reform/enforce the laws as they wish? In the current environment with things so polarized, it's very easy for people whose ideology is "give me benefits" to wait to cast their lot and become a kingmaker knowing the opposition is disorganized.

There are multiple fraud cases. Every couple years a new one is levied. I posted a link earlier in this thread. But here are some of my all time favorites.

Former owner of national nursing home chain faces 22 federal charges

Joseph Schwartz is in federal custody and expected to appear at a hearing in Newark, N.J., on Thursday afternoon, say law enforcement officials.

www.nbcnews.com

Schwartz lived in Suffern Rockland county but had ties and business interests in Lakewood. Met him a couple of times (consulted in the senior care and finance space) and surprised it took the feds that long to catch him. Bad guy.

Check out: Hundreds unpunished — Lakewood fraud insider says NJ authorities misled public
https://nj1015.com/hundreds-unpunis...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=com.tsm.nj1015

Meet the 26 accused in Lakewood fraud probe: Who they are, what charges they face

Nearly all of those charged are couples

www.nj.com

Ocean County Man Admits Conspiring with Convicted Ponzi Schemer and Others to Defraud Investors of Tens of Millions of Dollars and Obstruct Justice

TRENTON, N.J. – An Ocean County, New Jersey, man today admitted conspiring with Eliyahu “Eli” Weinstein, whose 24-year federal prison sentence was commuted after being twice convicted of defrauding investors of a total of $230 million, and others to defraud investors of more than $35 million in...

www.justice.gov

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archives.fbi.gov

Although Dwek wasn’t living in Lakewood at the time. He was arrested a couple years later at his new residence in Lakewood. Also multiple Lakewood rabbis were implicated in the bank fraud ring.

 

[RU Cheese]

I’m not getting the argument of the “groups” that have systematically taken over towns like Lakewood are being termed based on their religion. They are using religion to use when they need it but this is not about them freely practicing or the right to move where they want.
They are breaking laws, believe me, their realtors are discouraging anyone outside of their group from moving in. They have also been found guilty of many laws. There was a big case against many a few years ago.
The way they cheat for housing subsidies, food stamps etc.
So many things. And it is not like many minority groups that do the same, those people doing it are not organized with high powered lawyers and a business plan.

Yeah, it seems a couple people jumped to Page 10+ and want to feel righteous by claiming racism.

No one cares about people moving into an area. People start caring when political decisions are driven largely by that group but that's why ppl need to vote. People really start to care and get pissed off when (1) a SFH is classified as a tax-exempt place of worship, (2) when the married parents living in the house pretend they're not and file taxes as if they're landlord / tenant, enabling the "mother" to look poor and secure welfare and food stamps for her family and numerous children, and (3) the above is repeated by 2, 3, or 4 families living in the same house.

People lose their shit when people call this out or charge these crimes and are immediately labeled and sued as anti-semites (like some in this thread). That's what this is about for the dummies here.

 

[NotInRHouse]

There are multiple fraud cases. Every couple years a new one is levied. I posted a link earlier in this thread. But here are some of my all time favorites.

Former owner of national nursing home chain faces 22 federal charges

Joseph Schwartz is in federal custody and expected to appear at a hearing in Newark, N.J., on Thursday afternoon, say law enforcement officials.

www.nbcnews.com

Schwartz lived in Suffern Rockland county but had ties and business interests in Lakewood. Met him a couple of times (consulted in the senior care and finance space) and surprised it took the feds that long to catch him. Bad guy.

Check out: Hundreds unpunished — Lakewood fraud insider says NJ authorities misled public
https://nj1015.com/hundreds-unpunis...m_medium=referral&utm_campaign=com.tsm.nj1015

Meet the 26 accused in Lakewood fraud probe: Who they are, what charges they face

Nearly all of those charged are couples

www.nj.com

Ocean County Man Admits Conspiring with Convicted Ponzi Schemer and Others to Defraud Investors of Tens of Millions of Dollars and Obstruct Justice

TRENTON, N.J. – An Ocean County, New Jersey, man today admitted conspiring with Eliyahu “Eli” Weinstein, whose 24-year federal prison sentence was commuted after being twice convicted of defrauding investors of a total of $230 million, and others to defraud investors of more than $35 million in...

www.justice.gov

Loading…

archives.fbi.gov

Although Dwek wasn’t living in Lakewood at the time. He was arrested a couple years later at his new residence in Lakewood. Also multiple Lakewood rabbis were implicated in the bank fraud ring.

Wasn't Dwek a Deal guy?

But also this shows that people who break the law are being caught and prosecuted. I'm not sure it's more or less than any other group. In NJ corruption isn't very limited to any one group.

 

[kupuna133]

Wasn't Dwek a Deal guy?

But also this shows that people who break the law are being caught and prosecuted. I'm not sure it's more or less than any other group. In NJ corruption isn't very limited to any one group.

Yes Dwek was a Deal guy. That's why I stated multiple Lakewood Rabbis were caught up in the bank fraud case and that he was rearrested in Lakewood when he sought refuge. Dwek was disowned by his prominent Rabbi father and shunned by the Deal community.
Being caught and prosecuted but the fraud is very much widespread. Part of the defense used in the 26 arrested for Medicaid and welfare fraud was "everyone" does it and they were instructed how to do it by the temple and yeshiva. Thousands of people showed up to meetings to discuss how to seek amnesty, lead by ocean county sherrif and prosecutors office. Only for the Sherrif to find out as soon as he left it turned into a how not to get caught seminar.

159 people owing $2.2M get amnesty after Lakewood welfare busts

The 159 people accepted into the Ocean County Recipient Voluntary Disclosure Program will not be eligible for Medicaid benefits for at least a year.

nj1015.com

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Yeah, it seems a couple people jumped to Page 10+ and want to feel righteous by claiming racism.

No one cares about people moving into an area. People start caring when political decisions are driven largely by that group but that's why ppl need to vote. People really start to care and get pissed off when (1) a SFH is classified as a tax-exempt place of worship, (2) when the married parents living in the house pretend they're not and file taxes as if they're landlord / tenant, enabling the "mother" to look poor and secure welfare and food stamps for her family and numerous children, and (3) the above is repeated by 2, 3, or 4 families living in the same house.

People lose their shit when people call this out or charge these crimes and are immediately labeled and sued as anti-semites (like some in this thread). That's what this is about for the dummies here.

But you know what happens when an inspired-to-act mob shows up at a town hall meeting? The politicos suddenly find ways to silence dissension, table subjects for "later", then find a way to have the next meeting in a closed-door session in some problematic location at some difficult time. This happens from the residential HOA to the school board to the town hall and even in committees in DC and teh full house and senate.

 

[bob-loblaw]

Labeling horseshit absolutely pushed Trump back into office, no disagreement there.

Unfortunately we have a whole lot of ______ (insert word here) in this country. Some don’t even realize which is the saddest thing. See you

Wow. Instead of responding you just went full on dick mode.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Yes Dwek was a Deal guy. That's why I stated multiple Lakewood Rabbis were caught up in the bank fraud case and that he was rearrested in Lakewood when he sought refuge. Dwek was disowned by his prominent Rabbi father and shunned by the Deal community.
Being caught and prosecuted but the fraud is very much widespread. Part of the defense used in the 26 arrested for Medicaid and welfare fraud was "everyone" does it and they were instructed how to do it by the temple and yeshiva. Thousands of people showed up to meetings to discuss how to seek amnesty, lead by ocean county sherrif and prosecutors office. Only for the Sherrif to find out as soon as he left it turned into a how not to get caught seminar.

159 people owing $2.2M get amnesty after Lakewood welfare busts

The 159 people accepted into the Ocean County Recipient Voluntary Disclosure Program will not be eligible for Medicaid benefits for at least a year.

nj1015.com

I am not surprised the DOJ in 2018 would do that or that the county would be involved...but that goes back to my solution...vote for someone else!!

 

[yessir321]

Wow. Instead of responding you just went full on dick mode.

I did respond, accurately.

Sometimes the truth hurts to hear.

God knows the hardest thing for any adult male is to admit that they don’t know something or got something wrong. It’s because of that stubbornness that the world is the way it is and people still speak to one another the way they do, constantly on attack trying to ‘own’ the other in order to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.

I draw a hard line when it comes to religious groups. And there’s no doubt many posters on this board have been very open about their opinions that if they did not have the protection of their internet anonymity would land them in their companies HR office

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

I did respond, accurately.

Sometimes the truth hurts to hear.

God knows the hardest thing for any adult male is to admit that they don’t know something or got something wrong. It’s because of that stubbornness that the world is the way it is and people still speak to one another the way they do, constantly on attack trying to ‘own’ the other in order to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.

I draw a hard line when it comes to religious groups. And there’s no doubt many posters on this board have been very open about their opinions that if they did not have the protection of their internet anonymity would land them in their companies HR office

Again, you're misconstruing things for your own agenda
Just b/c you repeat the same things multiple times doesn't make it fact
It might make you willfully ignorant, but not correct

Nobody gives a shit about their religious affiliation
Hell, there's more Jews within a 150 radius here than anywhere in the world, sans Israel

It's that they use the religion as a tool to get what they want, at the expense of everyone else, decimating communities at the expense of Joe Taxpayer, who's working his/her ass off and doing the right thing to provide for their family

They then sue on the base of religious discrimination, again eating up Joe Taxpayer's money, to achieve their ultimate goals
That premise, in and of itself, defeats the entire point of religion

 

[yessir321]

Again, you're misconstruing things for your own agenda
Just b/c you repeat the same things multiple times doesn't make it fact
It might make you willfully ignorant, but not correct

Nobody gives a shit about their religious affiliation
Hell, there's more Jews within a 150 radius here than anywhere in the world, sans Israel

It's that they use the religion as a tool to get what they want, at the expense of everyone else, decimating communities at the expense of Joe Taxpayer, who's working his/her ass off and doing the right thing to provide for their family

They then sue on the base of religious discrimination, again eating up Joe Taxpayer's money, to achieve their ultimate goals
That premise, in and of itself, defeats the entire point of religion

Whatever helps you my guy👍🏾

 

[kupuna133]

Again, you're misconstruing things for your own agenda
Just b/c you repeat the same things multiple times doesn't make it fact
It might make you willfully ignorant, but not correct

Nobody gives a shit about their religious affiliation
Hell, there's more Jews within a 150 radius here than anywhere in the world, sans Israel

It's that they use the religion as a tool to get what they want, at the expense of everyone else, decimating communities at the expense of Joe Taxpayer, who's working his/her ass off and doing the right thing to provide for their family

They then sue on the base of religious discrimination, again eating up Joe Taxpayer's money, to achieve their ultimate goals
That premise, in and of itself, defeats the entire point of religion

Cant meet him with facts and data. Its all misconstrued emotion. Meant to divide through race baiting and anti-semetic rhetoric. He has now used the same tactics in multiple threads. He should take his own advice from his above post:

God knows the hardest thing for any adult male is to admit that they don’t know something or got something wrong. It’s because of that stubbornness that the world is the way it is and people still speak to one another the way they do, constantly on attack trying to ‘own’ the other in order to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Cant meet him with facts and data. Its all misconstrued emotion. Meant to divide through race baiting and anti-semetic rhetoric. He has now used the same tactics in multiple threads. He should take his own advice from his above post:

+1
His brain is f'ed up due to all his weed smoking.

 

[yessir321]

+1
His brain is f'ed up due to all his weed smoking.

Man you’re like Bert Kreischner taking off his shirt, don’t you have any new jokes? Or you just gonna recycle the same ones over and over again while your kids make up excuses to not come home for Easter?

 

[yessir321]

Cant meet him with facts and data. Its all misconstrued emotion. Meant to divide through race baiting and anti-semetic rhetoric. He has now used the same tactics in multiple threads. He should take his own advice from his above post:

Buddy I understand the facts and data. I also understand that you have led the charge for now 6 pages with a real estate thread spewing how much you despise a certain segment of a religious group.

Debate a wall

 

[kupuna133]

Buddy I understand the facts and data. I also understand that you have led the charge for now 6 pages with a real estate thread spewing how much you despise a certain segment of a religious group.

Debate a wall

Yea I don't think you do. I thought you realized how idiotic your stance was when you didn't respond for three days. But here you are resurrecting your failed argument. As everyone has said this was never about religion. You made it that. But I think you know that!

 

[yessir321]

Yea I don't think you do. I thought you realized how idiotic your stance was when you didn't respond for three days. But here you are resurrecting your failed argument. As everyone has said this was never about religion. You made it that. But I think you know that!

You can think whatever you like man, the fact that you keep responding shows there’s a level of guilt there but hey, convince yourself of whatever you need to.

Convince yourself you haven’t been leading the charge the last 6 pages here on a real estate thread complaining specifically about a segment of a religious group. Oh, but wait, you have been….

Debate a wall

 

[T2Kplus20]

Man you’re like Bert Kreischner taking off his shirt, don’t you have any new jokes? Or you just gonna recycle the same ones over and over again while your kids make up excuses to not come home for Easter?

That wasn't a joke.

 

[yessir321]

That wasn't a joke.

Neither was my response

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Buddy I understand the facts and data. I also understand that you have led the charge for now 6 pages with a real estate thread spewing how much you despise a certain segment of a religious group.

Debate a wall

For the people in the back… it has absolutely nothing to do with religion

Zero
Nada
Zilch

 

[kupuna133]

You can think whatever you like man, the fact that you keep responding shows there’s a level of guilt there but hey, convince yourself of whatever you need to.

Convince yourself you haven’t been leading the charge the last 6 pages here on a real estate thread complaining specifically about a segment of a religious group. Oh, but wait, you have been….

Debate a wall

No this thread was dead and wasn't about religion until you injected your hate fueled argument and incited your CE bullshit calling card into the equation. You singlehandedly brought that into this conversation. Congratulations you did it again. Just like you have in pretty much every thread you post in.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Neither was my response

That makes no sense. Weed in the morning?

 

[kupuna133]

I sleep like a baby knowing I haven’t been talking for 6 pages about how much I hate a religious group.

The fact that you keep lurking and coming back shows me the guilt on your conscious.

And yes, I do absolutely highlight the hypocrisy among so many who consider themselves ‘Christian’. God knows what you are doing and you will have to answer to him, the fact that that upsets you is a reflection of the guilt on your conscious.

Now, before you make yourself a further fool in the eyes of god with your hatred towards a group that his son was a part of… shut up B*tch!

Congratulations you spelled correctly. I am glad I can help. Now work on asking for forgiveness you tool!