OT: Real Estate Question - Toms River/Brick and area
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Imagine being the other residents in Lakewood? They’re taxes, schools, traffic, quality of life, property value, etc. All destroyed due to the tyranny of the majority that doesn’t care about them in anyway. Perhaps certain neighborhoods in Lakewood should declare their independence and form new towns?
Toms River and brick do not have large transient populations. Most people that have homes in Toms River and brick are full time residents. And both have huge 55 an over populations that would Vote in vast numbers against any of this. Loch arbour voting registrations is being investigated for voter fraud. As stated earlier Howell is a no go to be included in this nonsense because it is in Monmouth county.
Toms River and Jackson are huge geographic and populations that do not align with the needs and will of Lakewood.
Not saying I like the mayor in Toms River think he’s self serving but this is a recent article about his approach to being forced to bend the knee to others.
Toms River to NJ: We don't need 670 affordable homes, we only need 114 — or maybe none
Toms River believes it should have to allow no more than 114 affordable housing units. The state has given the township a 670-unit quota.www.app.com
Toms River includes a bunch of the barrier island though which definitely has part time people. I understand Loch Arbour is being investigated, but my point is that there's a lot that can happen. People tend to not vote in off cycle elections.
Yea and that barrier island is a minuscule amount of residency and land mass. Worked with grant writers for a sandy project and there was less than 5% of population were part time residents. With the change in work from home capabilities I would say that number has been cut in half once again.
And agree most do not vote in off cycle elections and that is when many of these issues (zoning, debt etc,,,) get stuffed into the ballot.
Amazing that the biggest abusers of the law and governmental subsidies try to force others to their will. This is political and fiscal irresponsibility and criminal in nature. This sect wants to force their way of life on the population and force the rest of society to pay for it.
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Howell is huge it's over 61 square miles with a population of just under 54,000. The Orthodox takeover isn't going to happen for decades in this town. The town is already buying up land on the Lakewood/Howell border. Howell is becoming their shopping and Recreational Park town. Because they fvcked up every park they have and have already put multifamily homes on every available inch of land. The Orthodox will not be happy until every tree and blade of grass is gone. The Metedeconk watershed is a natural barrier which is preventing a quicker invasion. And make no mistake, an "invasion" is exactly what it is.
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Take my dog to the dog park over by the police station. Spoke with maintenance supervisor and asked why these pristine ball fields aren’t utilized by anyone other than dog walkers. He said that the “Lakewood types” (his words) were abusing the fields and not following procedures for permits etc… to utilize the fields. So the town decided it’s easier just to mow the fields without fully maintaining , not fight and leave them to the dog walkers than to maintain for little league.
If they have enough votes they should. Again sometimes voters push for things that other voters don’t like. That’s the system. It is happening at a federal level I see no reason why it could not happen at a local level. Some people love what elections bring and than hate what the next election brings. It’s the system we live with.
Over time could it happen in Ocean county I see no reason it couldn’t.
I live in Northern Howell and they've already infiltrated the Candlewood section near the Home Depot on Rt. 9
We have 8-10 more years here before we move down to Florida, so I hope you're right that the takeover is still a few decades away
No Tom, they shouldn't
What they should do is not ruin every place they go to for their own selfish gains, all in the name of religion
It's disgusting what they've done
Sickening actually - and the only redeeming I can take out of it is that at the end of the day, when it's all said and done and they're no longer on this earth, they'll have to answer for their actions
I was referring to his post about people who live in Lakewood that would want to separate from Lakewood.
Infiltrated yes, but no where near taken over, I have friends who live over there. Code enforcement is all over their block busting techniques. Our code enforcement guy is a retired Howell cop and knows all about it. Group of us met him.
My area of Brown Rd. already had tenants thrown out on Kent and the Orthodox owner fined. He has not rented out since. We had another one who thought he was going to run a business out of his front yard, he already had to go to court and fined. Business is done. We had a couple move into our area to only find out they couldn't do whatever they wanted (house of worship) and moved out.
They don't have the power to attempt to do what they did in Lakewood, so it's going to be a slow crawl for them to cut down every tree and pave over every grass area. The one Orthodox couple we do have left on the road wanted out of the city like sh*thole of Lakewood and hope it doesn't turn into that. They're young and nice and have assimilated to the farm like surroundings. They're good neighbors.
Good to hear about that couple getting out of Lakewood for something better. Your town needs to keep up the fight and be as proactive as possible. Enforce everything, no compromise.
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You've got to fight them tooth and nail
Don't give an inch
Or, as an my guy Ronald Reagen was fond of saying... "Peace through Strength"
In my area the town/county just bought up all of Ford Rd. down the street from me. Orthodox bought several farms on the road and wanted to put in warehouses and a school with dormitories (this isn't even allowed anywhere). The area is zoned ARE2 and none of this was even remotely close to the land use zoning, but they started the legal battle anyway under the premise of antisemitism. So, like I said earlier this is right where the Metedeconk Watershed is and the town and county decided not to fight and just buy it under the Watershed restoration project.
The Orthodox could care less if they dumped their sh*t right into it, if they thought they could build on it. The same thing happened in Manchester and they actually tried fighting the DEP to no avail. Bogs and streams are the only defense against their overdevelopment plans. Manchester, Jackson and Toms River are toast they've made huge pushes into those towns.
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No problem criticizing but I also have no issue when elections have results, I disagree with or do not like.
All I am saying is sometimes elections provide power to groups you disagree with and they make changes you do not like.
I mean it is so clear you guys would not be happy if the Orthodox make changes but there are many times people do not like changes a group makes after they win elections.
Water flows via the path of least resistance. Put up a big fight and maybe they will try to destroy other towns like Jackson first.
Your town made the right decision, buy up all the land possible. That's the only way to fully protect the community.
They try to make a thing out of "Grotto Pizza" but it's genuinely on the level of Chuckie Cheese pie.
That said you can find some decent seafood spots especially in the part of the state near the bay, but really they just recycle good Maryland recipe's
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I will make it clear
Criticize whoever you want
Don’t be shocked if elections bring results you don’t like
Don’t be shocked if a group that wins elections possibly makes changes from what exist now. For example in future years it is possible that the Orthodox seek to change the current municipal structure of Ocean County.
In order for the orthodox to change the structure on the municipal/county level it doesn’t come down to local vote. They would need to change state ordinance. This would turn to a full legislative vote. This has zero percent chance of happening.
Local vote can determine shared resources ie schooling and safety arrangements. But they cant force mergers. Not how it works.
Both Corzine and Christie at times delivered certain legislation to the Orthodox. If the Orthodox want certain legislation and have the power to turn a gubernatorial election you cannot be sure that it would not happen.
That power of delivering votes in a block makes a lot of will not happen, happen
Again that’s not how it works. This would not come down to executive order. This is changing the way municipalities, counties and the state is governed. Not just in one small part of the state but the entire state. This would lead to every town given the opportunity to secede from governance.
I know how powerful they are within certain confines. But they are a very small fish when it comes down to state politics. You can’t piss off an entire county much less most of the states beliefs and practices to appeal to less than 150k total population throughout the state.
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Tom is an idiot that keeps repeating the same nonsense and keeps his head in the sand.
I think he is pretending to sound enlighten for some reason. But obviously, he just comes across as a douche on this topic. Sad to see. Maybe he is overcompensating for something he's done in the past?
Hey look! A thread about real estate that the CE loons have taken over and now are just openly complaining about the Jews!
Genuinely, some of ya’ll who consider yourself ‘men of faith’ will have some SERIOUS ‘Splain’in’ to do to the big guy when you meet your maker…. That’s all.
Just pointing out the irony in the ‘live and let live’ party whining about other cultures… it’s not surprising, it’s simply an example of how comfortable certain people have become just flaring around their prejudices as long as they have the protection of their internet anonymity
Genuinely, some of ya’ll who consider yourself ‘men of faith’ will have some SERIOUS ‘Splain’in’ to do to the big guy when you meet your maker…. That’s all.
Just pointing out the irony in the ‘live and let live’ party whining about other cultures… it’s not surprising, it’s simply an example of how comfortable certain people have become just flaring around their prejudices as long as they have the protection of their internet anonymity
You’d be blown away at what the Christian’s have done over time.
Genuinely, the level of comfort some of you have openly complaining about the Jews in 2025….
Get over yourself, learn that there are other cultures, they have the right to exist, you may not understand their culture or religion but they have the right to practice it.
Intolerance helps nothing. Perhaps Florida is a good place for you, they’re kind of known for being infiltrated with white heads who are overtly proud of their prejudices.
Legitimately, the last 2 pages of this thread are nothing but the same 4 posters complaining about the Jews…. Man where have we seen that kinda behavior before?
Yea someone’s gonna be answering for your actions and thoughts when you leave this earth. Take a look at what you just wrote above, is that “what Jesus would do?”
The complainers in this thread have a legitimate right to complain. They cited their evidence. Meanwhile, you spin rhetoric in an effort to silence them. Why?
If you live in the areas of concern and are just fine with the behaviors of the orthodox community then say so. Otherwise, let the people who know what they are talking about discuss it openly.
Has literally nothing to do with their faith or culture and everything to do with taking over entire towns and turning them into shitholes for their own selfish gain, at the expense of everyone else with no regard for anyone but themselves
There's Jewish people, many of whom I'm good friends with
Honest, hardworking, don't scam the system, etc.
Then there's these folks who, for the record, typically aren't on the best of terms with the aforemeioned people I'm good friends with, due to their actions
Not difficult to understand
Unless, like Tom, you choose to put your head in the sand and ignore what's going on
B/c typically, those that spin said rhetoric are the least tolerant ones, talking out their ass with either no clue as to what's going on or are far enough removed from it that they don't care
Agreed. If the group in question were not a religious group, not a racial group.. let's call them a large group of people who only wore green clothing and wanted to raise their children to wear green clothing only... if such a group sought to make the same changes to residential communities in Ocean County, or anywhere else, it could easily be seen that the complaints are not because they only wear green clothing but because they want five families living on one house.. or want to call the home next door a church or a business, etc etc.
Of course, the shorthand to identify them would be something like "greens" or "greenies" because that is how language works.. we always look to economize on words to get to the point. But labeling them "greenies" wouldn't mean that the green clothing has anything to do with the legitimate complaints.
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To your point, it's been well documented
We can spin all we want about religion, freedoms, etc. or we can acknowledge what they've been openly, and illegally, been doing for years
Simply put, I don't want that element in my neighborhood or town
They could be white, black, Italian, Christian, aliens, etc. - I couldn't care less
Just keep them away
Agreed. I know many Jewish people that are equally if not more offended by this groups actions. The problems they create stretch well beyond Brooklyn Lakewood rockland county etc…. They have been called out multiple times for the same actions in Israel. And many of their settlements across the globe.
kind of hate I had even asked about the area for moving...lol
Anyway- to the new part of the thread- The group in question is not about their religion except they use it to hide behind.
These are hard core business men. And I freely use "men" instead of business "people". It is very similar to Hedge fund take-overs. Except, even Hedge funds have to play by some rules.
Anyone talking about how a town or "their" town, being taken over, is not talking about the Jewish Religion. They are talking about a horrible group of men that do worse than suppress their women and have a business plan to do hostile takeovers without care of any man, woman, child and or Religion, that gets in their way. This group is equally harsh against Jewish people as they are against anyone else.
And yes, for those like "Tom" - who defend them, every resident has the right to be very upset at any group that purposely drive down property value and way of life in their town.
I lived in Pikesville Md for a year… please go on and tell me how I don’t understand living around the orthodox.
They’re fine people. Culturally a bit different but completely harmless and overall amoung the safest people you can live around.
Buddy you haven’t taken the time to understand their culture. What do you mean by ‘taking over the town’? You mean they live near their synagogues and build up their communities to be close to one another?
Just because you don’t like it doesn’t make it wrong. And yes, I lived in pikesville md for a year, one of the most orthodox towns in America. I know how the orthodox operate
I fully understand what they're intentions are - and, in the case of Toms River, Manchester, Brick and Jackson, it's not good for most of the current residents that currently reside there
Yes, it is wrong
And immoral
And unethical
And, most of all... illegal
If Pikesville was utopia, why'd you move?
And if you live in NJ... why not move down to Lakewood?
Side by side comparison of Pikesville and Lakewood demographics. What do you see?
Population in Pikesville looks pretty consistent right?
Pikesville census is nothing like the Lakewood census. Also big difference between what you say as most orthodox towns in America and fastest growing “untra orthodox” community in the world.
Pikesville, Maryland - Wikipedia
Lakewood Township, New Jersey - Wikipedia
Crazy when those pesky fact get in the waySide by side comparison of Pikesville and Lakewood demographics. What do you see?
Pikesville census is nothing like the Lakewood census. Also big difference between what you say as most orthodox towns in America and tastes growing “untra orthodox” community in the world.
Pikesville, Maryland - Wikipedia
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Pikesville, Maryland - Wikipedia
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