OT: Beach Erosion

[fg7321]

Lots of stories about beach erosion before this summer season.

Beach in Salisbury Mass

Salisbury, Mass. spent $600K on shore protection. A winter storm washed it away days later

A Massachusetts beach community is scrambling after a weekend storm washed away nearly $600,000 worth of sand that had been trucked in to protect homes, roads and other infrastructure. The project to bring 14,000 tons of sand into Salisbury was completed just three days before Sunday's storm...

www.wbur.org

Now Atlantic City North beaches

Too much Atlantic in Atlantic City: Beach erosion has casinos desperately seeking sand by summer

The ocean and beaches have always been a part of Atlantic City's identity: from salt water taffy to Miss America bathing beauties to the name of the place itself, the city has been marketed as a place to have fun by the sea. Weeks of winter storms have badly eroded beaches in the northern...

finance.yahoo.com

I also have relative on LI that now has a 12 foot drop onto his beach.

Seems like sea level rise is accelerating.

 

[rutgersdave]

No such think as global warming or rising sea levels, it was always rising. Another reason for home insurance going up.

Drone video shows massive chunks of South Florida backyards swept into ocean

Drone video shows the extensive beach erosion along the coastline of Jupiter Inlet Colony in Palm Beach County, Florida.

www.foxweather.com

I think one of them is Kid Rock home.

 

[batts]

Yet, vulnerable beaches are restored again and again with federal tax payor monies which disproportionately benefit wealthy owners of shore property lots. Sand dredging restoration also adversely impacts the environment killing wildlife scooped up in the sand which in turn hurts birds and fish that feed on this wildlife.

 

[newwavedave1]

I'm against my tax dollars going to help wealthy beachfront property owners. Let them pay for the restoration themselves

 

[rutgersdave]

Dramatic Photos Show Apartments Just Feet Away From Falling Into the Ocean

A local state of emergency has been declared in Pacifica, California.

abcnews.go.com

They had a great view for several years.

 

[ashokan]

NJ shoreline has been retreating for 1000s of years - geologic vulnerabilities compared to rest of NE.


"The New Jersey Atlantic Ocean coastline is roughly 130 miles in length and can be classified into three different shoreline types depending on the purpose of the classification scheme (Figure 1). The New Jersey upland along the coast is composed of gravel, sand and silt deposits whose geological origins are derived from both marine and non-marine sedimentary episodes. None of the sediments exposed at the surface in Monmouth, Ocean, Atlantic or Cape May Counties are cemented to form bedrock like that found along the New England coast. Since the geologic layers are not lithified, they erode easily under marine processes like wave action or tidal currents. These sediments are the source of all modern New Jersey beaches by erosion or by the reworking of other deposits formed from these older sediments prior to the present sea level rise.

The rise in global sea level has been transpiring for the past 20,000 years at a variable rate, following the melting of the last great ice sheet covering northern North America. The local change has been in the range of 350 feet to 400 feet vertically, which has produced a long-term westward migration of the shoreline. The "New Jersey" shoreline lay at the edge of the continental shelf 20,000 years ago, 80 to 90 miles to the east of the present coast. As the ice sheets melted and retreated into Canada, the ocean marched across the relatively flat continental shelf constantly changing the position and configuration of the New Jersey shoreline. A review of property records from the 17th Century in Monmouth County has demonstrated up to 2,000 feet of shoreline retreat since about 1650."

New Jersey Geologic History - Coastal Research Center | Stockton University

stockton.edu

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Ortley Beach (Toms River ) is real bad right now and they have had to make emergency repairs last couple years just to open most beaches...It's just a real bad spot on Ocean County shoreline. Their neighbors to the North (Lavallette) and South (Seaside Heights) haven't had anywhere near the issues Ortley has had.

Cliffs Emerge Taller in Ortley Beach After Nor'Easters: Here's What it Looks Like (And The Repair Plan)

Cliffs measuring over 10-feet in height at their highest locations in Ortley Beach have generated the latest round of concerns by local residents who worry that the beaches have suffered unprecedented erosion during a spate of recent storms – four in a week’s time – that have battered the...

tomsriver.shorebeat.com

 

[RUTGERS95]

NJ shoreline has been retreating for 1000s of years - geologic vulnerabilities compared to rest of NE.


"The New Jersey Atlantic Ocean coastline is roughly 130 miles in length and can be classified into three different shoreline types depending on the purpose of the classification scheme (Figure 1). The New Jersey upland along the coast is composed of gravel, sand and silt deposits whose geological origins are derived from both marine and non-marine sedimentary episodes. None of the sediments exposed at the surface in Monmouth, Ocean, Atlantic or Cape May Counties are cemented to form bedrock like that found along the New England coast. Since the geologic layers are not lithified, they erode easily under marine processes like wave action or tidal currents. These sediments are the source of all modern New Jersey beaches by erosion or by the reworking of other deposits formed from these older sediments prior to the present sea level rise.

The rise in global sea level has been transpiring for the past 20,000 years at a variable rate, following the melting of the last great ice sheet covering northern North America. The local change has been in the range of 350 feet to 400 feet vertically, which has produced a long-term westward migration of the shoreline. The "New Jersey" shoreline lay at the edge of the continental shelf 20,000 years ago, 80 to 90 miles to the east of the present coast. As the ice sheets melted and retreated into Canada, the ocean marched across the relatively flat continental shelf constantly changing the position and configuration of the New Jersey shoreline. A review of property records from the 17th Century in Monmouth County has demonstrated up to 2,000 feet of shoreline retreat since about 1650."

New Jersey Geologic History - Coastal Research Center | Stockton University

stockton.edu

shhhhh, the hubris of man is funny to watch

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Last couple of years Toms River taxpayers have paid for repairs only to see them washed away weeks later...This was last season

Toms River will pay nearly $300K to repair Ortley Beach, fix ongoing erosion issues

The township will spend the money to truck in new sand, study the dunes, take out the cliffs, and repair the walkways.

newjersey.news12.com

 

[koleszar]

Build on a flood plain or build on the coastline eventually Mother Nature will take back what's hers. I learned this way back in 1988 Environmental Science classes before everything started to be blamed on climate change or anyone cared about the environment. The more damage done by storms is because we're building more and more into areas we shouldn't be.

 

[RUTGERS95]

we should dump cars or other type structures 500-1k yards off the coast to creat a reef and help with erosion. would benefit us in so many ways

 

[e5fdny]

we should dump cars or other type structures 500-1k yards off the coast to creat a reef and help with erosion. would benefit us in so many ways

Bradley Beach has done that by burying Christmas trees in their dunes. They give something extra for the sea grass to grab on to.

The town has done pretty well pre, post and even during Sandy.

 

[fg7321]

Bradley Beach has done that by burying Christmas trees in their dunes. They give something extra for the sea grass to grab on to.

The town has done pretty well pre, post and even during Sandy.

Bradley built a dune. The idea to drop a barrier into the ocean has been looked at not sure why no one has attempted it

 

[Rhuarc]

I would think that the goal should be to maintain levels of beach replenishment while taking some of the burden off of the taxpayer. It sounds like we need more funding from the feds, so we can benefit from local tax dollars created and pushing some of the burden around. It's bad enough that we're taken advantage of on a federal level when it comes to taxes sent out and brought in.

And yes, they need to figure out longterm solutions to the problem, but in the meantime it still need to be done.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Bradley built a dune. The idea to drop a barrier into the ocean has been looked at not sure why no one has attempted it

it's been done but environmentalists have effectively killed it. The studies on this are clear, it's a huge positive for life, erosion, lessens storm impacts and more. I get it with the environmentalists but it shouldn't be crazy to strip cars or the like from junkyards/trash keeps and dump them along the coast.

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

Longshore transport at work…gotta love coastal geomorphology!

The ocean ALWAYS wins…

 

[fg7321]

it's been done but environmentalists have effectively killed it. The studies on this are clear, it's a huge positive for life, erosion, lessens storm impacts and more. I get it with the environmentalists but it shouldn't be crazy to strip cars or the like from junkyards/trash keeps and dump them along the coast.

They have dropped subway cars to create reefs . could be a good idea in the more vulnerable places

 

[RUTGERS95]

They have dropped subway cars to create reefs . could be a good idea in the more vulnerable places

yup

I'm 100% down with dropping it all as this such a good thing for the environment. The problem with cars and subway cars is cost to strip it for environmental concerns.

 

[rurichdog]

They have dropped subway cars to create reefs . could be a good idea in the more vulnerable places

Those subway cars have rusted much quicker than expected and aren't going to be much of a reef in the near future.

 

[RUDead]

Those subway cars have rusted much quicker than expected and aren't going to be much of a reef in the near future.

Haven't heard that. Do you remember where you heard it? I would like to read about that.

It shouldn't take long for them to be covered in mussels, etc. so you would think they would still be effective.

 

[rurichdog]

Haven't heard that. Do you remember where you heard it? I would like to read about that.

It shouldn't take long for them to be covered in mussels, etc. so you would think they would still be effective.

Weird, I'm trying to find better sources (I'm not making it up) but it seems there was a discrepancy based upon what model car was used and how fast it disintegrated. Also a lot of the articles from older versions of the program rolled off due to age, and newer articles reported the cars were reefed, but no follow ups. I guess it is another "however you want to understand the facts is your truth". I'm stumped. As a fisherman I thought this was a great idea.

Brightliner Subway Cars (1/3) ~ New Jersey Scuba Diving

New York's MTA Tried To Turn Subway Cars Into Reefs. It Didn't Go As Planned

The cars started to disintegrate almost immediate, which is not great

jalopnik.com

N.J. Scraps Use Of Subway Cars For Artificial Reefs

www.nyctransitforums.com

 

[RUDead]

Weird, I'm trying to find better sources (I'm not making it up) but it seems there was a discrepancy based upon what model car was used and how fast it disintegrated. Also a lot of the articles from older versions of the program rolled off due to age, and newer articles reported the cars were reefed, but no follow ups. I guess it is another "however you want to understand the facts is your truth". I'm stumped. As a fisherman I thought this was a great idea.

Brightliner Subway Cars (1/3) ~ New Jersey Scuba Diving

New York's MTA Tried To Turn Subway Cars Into Reefs. It Didn't Go As Planned

The cars started to disintegrate almost immediate, which is not great

jalopnik.com

N.J. Scraps Use Of Subway Cars For Artificial Reefs

www.nyctransitforums.com

I don't think you're making it up.

I did some searching too, but couldn't find anything concrete on it. The one article you posted the writer gets beat up in the comments so bad it's hard to believe what he is saying. There is a ton of videos are subway cars covered in life and acting as a reef so I still think it worked in most cases.

I wonder if some of the newer/lighter metal cars got pushed by the currents?