I didn’t. But that doesn’t preclude someone from finding and reading research and studies.
In fact, from that research, it seems as though not playing football might make one better at reading.
OT: California moves closer to becoming first state to ban tackle football for kids under 12
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I didn’t. But that doesn’t preclude someone from finding and reading research and studies.
In fact, from that research, it seems as though not playing football might make one better at reading.
Brilliant… and quite an ignorant response
If you have an issue with the mods….fine
Act like an adult and have a conversation with them
Like myself? You self righteous tool. No heading has not been around as much as you believe… I ‘m all for protection of youth… this issue has only gained traction because guys like YOU … see it a whole different way. Like I pointed out… ban all sports in under 14 which involve the risk of a possible head injury. So , if your kid smashes his head on a skateboard that’s ok ? You love to sound as though you care when in reality you fail to see it isn’t only tackle football… under 12 is not where these injuries occur… eliminate high school football and college football. I can survive without the sport.
I have yet to find a study that suggests head impact is “no big deal”. The CTE center found that in youth football, on average each player has ~400 head impacts per season. At younger ages, poor technique, coaching and officiating can make that worse.
But they will… they file lawsuits for everything… there is AlWAYS a shathouse lawyer looking to make a buck.
Minimal at that age… not even measurable … the energy exponent needed to create that type of force just ain’t happening . Everything has become a fear factor mission.
Sounds like you’ve done a bit of research on this topic. Feel free to share your work.
You just said the coaches stink and don’t know what they are doing !!! Now you want them teaching tackling to little kids!! Wow!! Foolish Bob
I find it hard to believe that any NFL player with head or body issues later in life really think it is because of youth football. That is just stupid.
Question with the flag football- would they be playing with full pads and helmets?
Question with the flag football- would they be playing with full pads and helmets?
Yeah, like yourself. A person who is clearly injecting politics into this and pushing weird conspiracies that this about just controlling you.
US Soccer Federation banned heading in 2015. USA Baseball put bat limitations into practice in 2018. The no metal cleats thing has been around since I was in high school in the 90s. I missed your outrage at those times over all those rules/limitations intended to try to protect young kids.
The rest of your post is just angry ranting. Your logic seems to be that they shouldn't try to limit head (and other injuries). In other words if they can't stop it entirely, then they shouldn't do anything to at least try to limit injuries. That kind of logic is pretty mindnumbing.
But here is the thing…why even be subject to the hits when you are younger ?
And like you posted earlier , all the hits add up.
Yeah, maybe a dipshit here or there might but your post seems to imply that limiting tackling in youth kids up to age 12 will lead to this big influx of lawsuits over NIL and scholarship money, 10 years down the road.
That's preposterous.
Don’t bother with that guy ! He just posted that the pop warner coaches don’t know what they are doing. But he wants them to teach tackling to 8 year olds. He is a fool
Youth football concussion rate is 5%, study finds - UW Medicine | Newsroom
On-field trainers captured injuries data, showing higher incidence than previous studies have reported.
newsroom.uw.edu
So basically, you just called two Hall of Famers stupid and that their believe limiting head contact to youth football players is a good thing (while using research from Boston University).
LOL.
New BU Study Finds Tackle Football at Young Age Raises Risk for Brain Decline Later
New study from BU CTE Center finds people who start tackle football earlier or play for longer have less brain white matter.
www.bu.edu
Head Impact Exposure in Youth Football
The head impact exposure for athletes involved in football at the college and high school levels has been well documented; however, the head impact exposure of the youth population involved with football has yet to be investigated, despite its dramatically ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Youth football concussion rate is 5%, study finds - UW Medicine | Newsroom
On-field trainers captured injuries data, showing higher incidence than previous studies have reported.
newsroom.uw.edu
Never said a large number of lawsuits but there is a reasonable expectation that there will be some.
I think they’re finding that even in guys who don’t make it that far have some form of damage, even non-CTE, where brain trauma leads to behavioral issues and mood disorders.
There’s still a long way to go in fully understanding the brain, but is it wrong to err on the side of caution?
Once again your interpretation of political vs. what politicians are involved in . Yeah that’s what this entire thread is about Newsome, California and politics…exactly what is the correct method… work to establish training and that is much different than what he proposed.
In fairness, yes is one of the few who has been around all levels of the game and his opinions are informed by experience. He’s not forming an opinion based on his political leanings, whereas others are only opposing because it was proposed in a blue state.
Unless you're like 60+, you definitely weren't around before the trophy for all era".
One could make the argument that limiting brain impact at that level would reduce the incidence of CTE and preserve tackle football in some form. Brain trauma is cumulative and irreversible to some extent.
The NFL isnt making these rules on contact because they’re some charity - it’s because of lawsuits and healthcare costs.
No it bothers me because it’s not based on science and the facts dispute it. Are they going to ban cheerleading. Lacrosse. And hockey. If not it’s BS. And saying there “might be benefits” isn’t science
Can you provide some facts that dispute it - all we’ve gotten from you is opinion and emotion.
we all have our own opinions about kids playing tackle football and the effect that has on them.
Before reading this thread I felt there was some risk ,but kids face risks doing other things as well
Example: baseball hitting them in head, bike accidents and other types of head injuries kids have playing around.
But checking into this issue instead of just going by what I think without fully understanding the facts, I tend to think error on the side of caution might be the best and not the let the chips fall where they may attitude because I felt the kids injuries playing football, under 12 is just a risk like any other other kids have growing up .
This article helped me decide error on the side of caution might be best when talking about pre-teen football .
Brain Study Shows Ex-NFL Players Negatively Affected by Youth Football | SPH
>For the study, researchers examined test scores of 42 former NFL players, with an average age of 52, all of whom had experienced memory and thinking problems for at least six months. Half the players had played tackle football before age 12, and half had not. Significantly, the total number of concussions was similar between the two groups.
Researchers found that the players exposed to tackle football before age 12 had greater impairment in mental flexibility, memory, and intelligence—a 20 percent difference in some cases. These findings held up even after statistically removing the effects of the total number of years the participants played football. Both groups scored below average on many of the tests.<
https://www.bu.edu/sph/news/article...layers-negatively-affected-by-youth-football/
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Well…you had said 60 plus is the only people who would remember that
Just pointed out that I’m not in that age bracket and never received a participation trophy
Then why'd you agree?
50 to 60 maybe? I know guys here talked about getting them back in the 70s. By 80s and 90s, it was sop.
I posted hours ago the rate of concussion in youth sports. Football is 4th or 5th. A real study. Not some news crap
I’m all for education, reform, non contact days, etc
To outright ban it though is, IMO, the beginning of trying to perma ban it
Uh, Bob, that response wasn't to you, it was to yesrutgers. I literally quoted the dude.
So your clown comment was kind of a self own right there.
I am not saying he's being political. But to suggest that two hall of famers, working with a high level university on head trauma research in youths are stupid if they think blows early in their careers were potentially harmful to them is a bit much IMO.
I have read limiting contact in practice helps cut down the problem, but can't say if that's the best way to go instead of ending under 12 games.
Just think kids are going to find a way to play tackle football or lose interest in playing the game when they are deemed old enough.
We played tackle football in the park without pads before Pop Warner practice up until about 8th grade. Because pop Warner leagues typically put weight limits on its participants, I find it hard to believe there’s enough force to cause serious head issues. I played organized tackle football from 2nd through 8th grade and never witnessed anyone get their bell rung the way I witnessed/experienced myself in high school.
That said, I believe in Texas kids play only flag up until HS in most parts of the state (if not all) and they produce the best players in the country. Do I think kids need to play tackle in youth leagues for the sport to survive? No. But I do think college and pro will resemble more 7 on 7 in 15 - 20 years than football as we currently know it. People love passing more than running anyways so I don’t think it will kill the sport entirely.
That said, I believe in Texas kids play only flag up until HS in most parts of the state (if not all) and they produce the best players in the country. Do I think kids need to play tackle in youth leagues for the sport to survive? No. But I do think college and pro will resemble more 7 on 7 in 15 - 20 years than football as we currently know it. People love passing more than running anyways so I don’t think it will kill the sport entirely.
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