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OT: Cold and Potentially Snowy Pattern Likely for Most of January

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Summary: First pattern thread of the winter. Just about every medium/long range model (especially the ensembles of the GFS, CMC and Euro, which are used most for trend forecasts beyond about 7-8 days) continues to show (as mentioned in the Christmas Eve snow thread) a major pattern shift to a cold to possibly very cold regime starting by next weekend, with multiple possible storm systems after that, some of which could bring snow (possibly substantial amounts) to the eastern US and our area for much of January. And just about every well-known meteorologist is honking about the upcoming pattern change. Yes, I know it's usually relatively cold and snowy in January, but we're talking likely colder than normal (and possibly much colder than normal - especially in the SE US) and snowier than normal (NB gets about 8-9" of snow, on average in Jan) from about 1/4 through 1/25 and given the paucity of snow for most the past 3 winters this is noteworthy. The cold looks like a lock, at least through mid-Jan, while the snow is always much iffier to predict more than a week in advance, so we'll wait and see. And based on the @e5fdny weather clause, any specific storms that materialize will be covered in separate threads when and if they look real (usually 4-5 days out), with the first possible threat around 1/6. Hope some find this interesting.

Details: The video link, below, from John Homenuk one of the best medium/long-range forecasters out there explains the meteorology behind the pattern change much better than I could, but briefly, instead of the warm pattern we expect to have for the next week, which features strong west to east jet stream flow from the mild Pacific across the US, a strong ridge is forecast to build from Cali to Alaska forcing the jet stream to ride up and over it and then down east of the Rockies, bringing very cold polar air down from Canada into the eastern half of the US, plus high latitude "blocking" is expected with another strong ridge up in NE Canada/Greenland acting to "hold" the cold air in place in the eastern US and to slow down the storm systems that are expected to rotate through the eastern US from about 1/5 onward.



With regard to the teleconnections, which are often used to forecast long range patterns, we're forecast to have the weak La Nina continue and to have the MJO (Madden-Julian Oscillation) move into phases 8 and 1 (associated with cold/snowy here) and to have a sustained combination of a -AO (Arctic Oscillation) and +PNA (Pacific/North America), which is the combo we've had for ~50% of 6"+ snowstorms in NYC, as per the famed DonSutherland on AmericanWx (see his graphic below and his post linked below), plus we'll also likely have a -NAO (North Atlantic Oscillation) and a -EPO (Eastern Pacific Oscillation). Cold air in place, plus moisture from storms could mean significant snow, although it's still too early to predict specific storms (but they are showing up on the long range guidance) and it's always possible the cold/snow just don't work out, as very cold air can suppress storms to our south or if the cold air weakens for a bit, a storm could always cut west of us bringing mix/rain. DT/WxRisk does a great job explaining all of the teleconnections in the video link below.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic/61402-january-2025/?do=findComment&comment=7513129


In addition, NOAA's Climate Prediction Center (CPC) is on board for colder than normal weather for much of the eastern US from 1/4-1/10 (with normal precip amounts) and is also predicting colder and wetter than normal conditions from 1/11 through 1/24 in their Weeks 3/4 forecast; just showing the temp graphics below. FYI, I only did one pattern thread last winter, for a warm/low snow first half of Feb, which verified, followed by a cold and potentially snowy period after that, which did not verify at all for cold, but did verify for above normal snowfall for most from 2/12-2/17. Overall, since 2017 I've done 1-2 pattern threads per winter, featuring 10 of 13 temperature patterns verifying and 9 of 13 snowfall patterns verifying (with below normal, normal and above normal as possible outcomes, random guessing would mean 4 out of 13 verifying). That means the pros kind of know what they're doing.

https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/WK34/

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#’s—— am I correct in seeing that we might be seeing highs in the single digits around the 11th of January here? Northern Florida could see temps in the teens as well? Seems pretty wild if so.
 
#’s—— am I correct in seeing that we might be seeing highs in the single digits around the 11th of January here? Northern Florida could see temps in the teens as well? Seems pretty wild if so.
Certainly possible. On some models we're seeing a 4-5 standard deviation departure from the mean, which is rare. Way too far out for a forecast that it'll be that cold, but I'd at least bet on it being the coldest weather of this winter and maybe even the past few years around here and all the way down to Florida.

And both the Euro and GFS are showing a major snowstorm in the 1/8-9 timeframe (a foot or more), which is still 11 days out - very unusual to have both in agreement at this range, but it's still somewhat fantasy land for snowfall forecasting - the main point is that significant snow of at least several inches sometime between 1/6 and 1/10 is looking possible - the potential is there.

I'm guessing social media is about to go wild with crazy predictions of snow and cold, but as amazing as this pattern looks for cold/snow, we all know that 11-day forecasts are highly uncertain, especially for snow, and there are things that could go wrong to derail the virtual snow we're looking at now, which is why I generally don't post snowfall and temperature maps here beyond about 7 days out (one can already see them on social media sites and AmericanWx, where that's expected).

Personally, I won't start having confidence in a specific snowy event until I see some general consensus within 6-7 days, i.e., the timeframe when numerical weather prediction, which is inherently chaotic, starts to become more certain - that's why the NWS, who knows a thing or two about forecasting, doesn't issue forecasts beyond 7 days. And even then, we've all seen significant shifts in snowfall forecasts inside 2-3 days. With regard to the cold, I'd say we're locked in for a significant cold snap (but too early to say record-breaking cold) already, as temp trends are far easier to predict than snowfall.
 
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Where was this thread BEFORE I booked my annual getaway towards Myrtle Beach? Looks like I need to get a lot lower this year. Well at least it looks like I'll have several chances to train the daughter on use of snow plow before I leave.

(btw I booked in June so clearly kidding).
 
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Was a gorgeous day today, but the cold is coming by the end of the week (below normal, but not brutal yet) and it's looking severe for here and the SE US by around 1/10, if the models are correct (could be a damaging freeze to the FL citrus crops and we could see some below 0F mornings in the colder spots and single digits in the urban corridor).

And as expected, the operational models keep jumping around with some showing moderate to major snowfall at times and some showing not much. Still beyond the ability of Op models (Days 8 and beyond) to be consistent or reliable, which is why the pros look at the ensembles in this range and they're all showing a decent amount of snow being possible from a number of shortwaves/storms in the 1/6-1/11 timeframe, but we'll have to wait a few more days before having any confidence in any snowfall forecasts.
 
Was a gorgeous day today, but the cold is coming by the end of the week (below normal, but not brutal yet) and it's looking severe for here and the SE US by around 1/10, if the models are correct (could be a damaging freeze to the FL citrus crops and we could see some below 0F mornings in the colder spots and single digits in the urban corridor).

And as expected, the operational models keep jumping around with some showing moderate to major snowfall at times and some showing not much. Still beyond the ability of Op models (Days 8 and beyond) to be consistent or reliable, which is why the pros look at the ensembles in this range and they're all showing a decent amount of snow being possible from a number of shortwaves/storms in the 1/6-1/11 timeframe, but we'll have to wait a few more days before having any confidence in any snowfall forecasts.
this is the thing..its January there will always be snow on the models..the fact that the models are jumping all around is the reason why talking about snow events two weeks before they happen is always subject to ridicule. A bigger reality is alot of times when these artic air masses hit they end up suppressing any system from getting up here.
 
more notably was yesterday many had highs 20-25 degrees above normal....not any records which were in the 70s but some notables...

Hammonton 68
Piney Hallow 68
West Deptford 68
Mansfield 68
Moorestown 67
Sewell 67
Cherry Hill 67
Hillsborough 66...the Deli gals were hoping for 69

Even today many will touch 60 or slight above with increasing sunshine..enjoy it while you can..a long stretch of daytime temps in the 30s are on the way
 
You made a thread just days ago to tell us "It's cold in December."

After it happened.
um no..it was to make note of pretty cold temperatures near zero or below which doenst happen in these parts that often...would be the equivalent of 100 plus temperatures which is pretty notable actually
 
this is the thing..its January there will always be snow on the models..the fact that the models are jumping all around is the reason why talking about snow events two weeks before they happen is always subject to ridicule. A bigger reality is alot of times when these artic air masses hit they end up suppressing any system from getting up here.
This is completely wrong. Up until about 4-5 days ago, there was little to no snow showing up in the medium/long range, i.e., 8-15 days out, but now that period is seeing significant to major snow on the Euro and GFS every few runs, including last night's Euro and this morning's GFS, and their ensembles are consistently showing abnormally high snow for those days (relative to what ensembles usually show given most members are usually snowless).

That's a very strong signal for snow from about 1/6 through 1/11, but as you and I have both noted, it's not a guarantee with the biggest risk being suppression from the cold air that will be in place. Also, the last 2 January's generally weren't showing much snow in the 8-15 day range (Op models and ensembles), outside a few rogue runs, which makes sense given no snow in Jan-23 and a few small snowfalls (1-3" range for most) in Jan-24 similar for most of the month,

But while there's no guarantee we're getting significant snow during this pattern, as per what I posted from DonS and John Homenuk, above, patterns like this are much more likely to produce significant snow and cold than any other winter pattern. To summarize, the cold is a lock, the snow is more likely than usual, but not a lock.

 
with 3 Rutgers basketball games at home from January 6 to January 13...all pivotal matchups where RU might have to win all 3, everyone better be praying against snow during this period
That won't be too difficult - that's what I do all the time anyway. And yes, we want good crowds for those games.
 
with 3 Rutgers basketball games at home from January 6 to January 13...all pivotal matchups where RU might have to win all 3, everyone better be praying against snow during this period
Are there still pivotal games left? Think season is over. Just hoping for a few upsets.
 
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