OT: Disney World

[tom1944]

Disney is all about greed. They want special rules and special taxes. Probably pay a lower rate than a min wage worker. Desantis needs to take a page out of the Gavin Newsome playbook and tax the heck out of them.

Actually, they pay a much higher tax rate than if the Reedy Creek District did not exist. In fact, that is what should have been done- the special district should have been ended instead of placing unqualified political appointees to the board.

The district was not slanted to only Disney's benefit the surrounding area was well served by it also.

There is a RU connection as one of the appointees was an engineering major at RU but left the field to become involved in religious organizations.

It is an expensive vacation and I do not blame anyone who decides it does not provide value for the cost, but it is absolutely a discretionary expense and as a person who loves capitalism, I say let the market decide.


Bottom line is you are ill informed on what Reedy Creek did and what it provided to Disney. I would say you should educate yourself but from your few posts it is clear knowing about an issue means nothing to you in the formation of your opinion.

 

[bob-loblaw]

Really? I just stay on property and use their transportation. Driving and parking doesn’t sound like you’ll save time.

My opinion is biased as I have a disabled tag, but paying the $25 to park greatly trumps having to wait for a bus, boat or skyride. Diff story for the monorail resorts, and the not going to lie, the sky ride is pretty cool. But I also havent stayed on property in a long time.

If you try to be frugal, you are more likely to hurt your experience and enjoyment more than actually saving money. Sad but true!

There's ways it can be done. That starts with staying on points, not at a Disney resort. I'll take the JW Marriott in Bonnet Creek over any disney report. That alone for a 5 night stay shaves thousands off.

The costs have always been high at top resorts on Hawaii. Maui more costly than Oahu , Big Island or kauai .Wife and I ( pre pandemic ) were ready for our 18th trip back but cancelled in 2020. Finally booked 3 weeks for May of this year on Oahu. After trip number 4 we booked a Maui Condo on Kaanapali Beach. We have done the same for all the others except on the Big Island .We have learned to use the condo route since then. We now stay on the more quiet side of Waikiki and with our car rental go to a different beach everyday . Lanikai , Waimanalo, Kailua etc. I won’t mention our top windward side stop as it became too well known with the internet. The leeward side also has numerous good beaches to relax and play even at age 73. We eat out every nite at a different place and cuisine. Tremendous choice of every culture your taste buds desire. Do yourself a favor and book a condo no matter what island. … much roomier and there are many within … everyone’s price range.For all the well healed on the board .When you speak to people who go often ( say yearly) to Hawaii it may surprise you what you learn. If $$$$ is no object then by all means book those expensive resorts. We have done that as well.

What hasnt RUBOB done? that's the million dollar question

 

[tom1944]

I believe parking is now free for anyone staying at Disney.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

Actually, they pay a much higher tax rate than if the Reedy Creek District did not exist. In fact, that is what should have been done- the special district should have been ended instead of placing unqualified political appointees to the board.

The district was not slanted to only Disney's benefit the surrounding area was well served by it also.

There is a RU connection as one of the appointees was an engineering major at RU but left the field to become involved in religious organizations.

It is an expensive vacation and I do not blame anyone who decides it does not provide value for the cost, but it is absolutely a discretionary expense and as a person who loves capitalism, I say let the market decide.


Bottom line is you are ill informed on what Reedy Creek did and what it provided to Disney. I would say you should educate yourself but from you few posts it is clear knowing about an issue means nothing to you in the formation of your opinion.

Bingo.

Plus without Reedy Creek the tax bill for residents of Orange and Osceola County would be immensely larger than what they were being charged at.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

I believe parking is now free for anyone staying at Disney.

Themepark is parking is free if you are staying at a Disney Hotel or if you are an AP Holder. I do not know if Disney Good Neighbor Hotel Guests also get free themepark parking.

They stopped overnight parking charges for hotel guests back in January.

 

[fsg2]

What hasnt RUBOB done? that's the million dollar question

Shown humility?

 

[T2Kplus20]

Themepark is parking is free if you are staying at a Disney Hotel or if you are an AP Holder. I do not know if Disney Good Neighbor Hotel Guests also get free themepark parking.

They stopped overnight parking charges for hotel guests back in January.

If you don't stay at a Disney resort, you are a second class citizen in WDW.

 

[RUBOB72]

My opinion is biased as I have a disabled tag, but paying the $25 to park greatly trumps having to wait for a bus, boat or skyride. Diff story for the monorail resorts, and the not going to lie, the sky ride is pretty cool. But I also havent stayed on property in a long time.

There's ways it can be done. That starts with staying on points, not at a Disney resort. I'll take the JW Marriott in Bonnet Creek over any disney report. That alone for a 5 night stay shaves thousands off.


What hasnt RUBOB done? that's the million dollar question

I have done quite a few things in my lifetime and that includes supporting Rutgers sports before it was made a requirement. Proud of providing a good life for my family and also proud I wasn’t born with that B1G silver spoon . Paid my college debt with the help of my still beautiful wife , my partner of 55 years. Old school? Sure but investing starting at age 32 certainly helped, paying off the mortgage by 49 and having children early in the marriage tough but doable. Also working for a great company who paid me well my entire career doesn’t hurt. There are certainly many on this board with more money , bigger homes and who enjoy the same things . I trust in the old adage “ hard work brings good things.” Some of the younger folks should try it instead of using the whoah is me take. So bob-loblaw If one lives long enough , tries to invest properly , can somehow stay healthy sometimes good things do happen in life.

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

If you don't stay at a Disney resort, you are a second class citizen in WDW.

Which is fair, if you drop $$$ on a Disney hotel you do deserve something over a regular day guest.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Which is fair, if you drop $$$ on a Disney hotel you do deserve something over a regular day guest.

Totally agreed. You get what you pay for.

 

[bob-loblaw]

If you don't stay at a Disney resort, you are a second class citizen in WDW.

Wholeheartedly disagree. I could care less about getting to the park "early" or any other benefit a disney hotel offers. Happy to stay in secluded Bonnet Creek, where you're a 5 min drive to Epcot/Hollywood & Disney Springs. Happy to have an escape from Disney propaganda in my hotel. Honestly, the people leaving the parks all lined up to catch busses and trains, kinda seem like the 2nd class folk to me. But hey, to each their own. I will continue to stay on points.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Wholeheartedly disagree. I could care less about getting to the park "early" or any other benefit a disney hotel offers. Happy to stay in secluded Bonnet Creek, where you're a 5 min drive to Epcot/Hollywood & Disney Springs. Happy to have an escape from Disney propaganda in my hotel. Honestly, the people leaving the parks all lined up to catch busses and trains, kinda seem like the 2nd class folk to me. But hey, to each their own. I will continue to stay on points.

More important for us to stay at the parks late than go early. Also early access for booking dining, Genie+, Individual Lighting Lanes, etc. We normally stay at BLT which is a 5-min walk to the front of the MK. This is a priceless benefit.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

Wife and daughter want a trip to DW for granddaughter the summer after she turns 5.

Not my idea of a vacation but I realize it will have to happen

For all you Disney people what do you recommend

where to stay
How many days
What parks
Any other recommendations

Base it on what you have to do for a 5 year old

Thanks

Edit: didn't realize this was from Nov. and revived.

5 is too young in my opinion.
Not trying to be a killjoy. Went down this road with the wife and her parents with my first. I didn't even go because I knew the waste of time it would become.

Not a Disney hater either. Literally was there every year for about 15. Once the kids reach 8-10 it's enjoyable for them.

A 5 year old can and will be an unhappy hand full not far into the day. I have the pix to prove it.😂😂😂

Pretty sure there is a pretty thorough Disney thread here someplace already.

 

[tom1944]

Edit: didn't realize this was from Nov. and revived.

5 is too young in my opinion.
Not trying to be a killjoy. Went down this road with the wife and her parents with my first. I didn't even go because I knew the waste of time it would become.

Not a Disney hater either. Literally was there every year for about 15. Once the kids reach 8-10 it's enjoyable for them.

A 5 year old can and will be an unhappy hand full not far into the day. I have the pix to prove it.😂😂😂

Pretty sure there is a pretty thorough Disney thread here someplace already.

I purchased a DVC membership so we will be going at least once a year.

That makes each trip less worrisome about her age or did we do everything

This trip will be a lot of character meals and stuff for her age.

 

[RUBOB72]

Wholeheartedly disagree. I could care less about getting to the park "early" or any other benefit a disney hotel offers. Happy to stay in secluded Bonnet Creek, where you're a 5 min drive to Epcot/Hollywood & Disney Springs. Happy to have an escape from Disney propaganda in my hotel. Honestly, the people leaving the parks all lined up to catch busses and trains, kinda seem like the 2nd class folk to me. But hey, to each their own. I will continue to stay on points.

Here’s an important thing I have learned over the years with resorts like WDW. Staying the last 3 times at the Contemporary in the Concierge club level was definitely expensive but also worth it especially when traveling with young children. Since 1980 the Disney World machine has had little to no impact on who goes and the total costs to working families. Surely Bob Iger and Bob Chapek (for certain) did not give two thoughts to where can we improve the experience while controlling pricing. The Genie( old fast pass) deal is overtly a money grab. Hey we get it it’s a business and I believe in our capitalistic system better than any of the others being touted as our future. Bob Iger should be wary if he remains as CEO .People can turn it off quickly if things in the economy go south and they still may. Disney World is for the young upcoming generations. You can still experience the fun of WDW without feeling 2nd class staying off site and not paying for all the perks like a personal escort for $800 to $ 1000 per person for the day plus tip.Most of those going don’t require that in order to enjoy the 90+ degrees in the summer ( May-November) .

 

[RUBOB72]

Wholeheartedly disagree. I could care less about getting to the park "early" or any other benefit a disney hotel offers. Happy to stay in secluded Bonnet Creek, where you're a 5 min drive to Epcot/Hollywood & Disney Springs. Happy to have an escape from Disney propaganda in my hotel. Honestly, the people leaving the parks all lined up to catch busses and trains, kinda seem like the 2nd class folk to me. But hey, to each their own. I will continue to stay on points.

Here’s an important thing I have learned over the years with resorts like WDW. Staying the last 3 times at the Contemporary in the Concierge club level was definitely expensive but also worth it especially when traveling with young children. Since 1980 the Disney World machine has had little to no impact on who goes and the total costs to working families. Surely Bob Iger and Bob Chapek (for certain) did not give two thoughts to where can we improve the experience while controlling pricing. The Genie deal is overtly a money grab. Hey we get it it’s a business and I believe in the capitalistic system better than any of the others

 

[RUBOB72]

Sorry for the double posting

 

[bob-loblaw]

More important for us to stay at the parks late than go early. Also early access for booking dining, Genie+, Individual Lighting Lanes, etc. We normally stay at BLT which is a 5-min walk to the front of the MK. This is a priceless benefit.

No clue where the sandwich you speak of is, but I assume its near Magic Kingdom.

I'm of the ilk, an aggressive day in Disney has me logging over 30k steps, I'm content not walking further. It's why I have no interest in the Swan/Dolphin. I had this argument with a cousin who was intent on staying at the Swan Reserve so he could walk. I'll give you one guess what he didnt do at the end of the night.... walk.

 

[T2Kplus20]

No clue where the sandwich you speak of is, but I assume its near Magic Kingdom.

I'm of the ilk, an aggressive day in Disney has me logging over 30k steps, I'm content not walking further. It's why I have no interest in the Swan/Dolphin. I had this argument with a cousin who was intent on staying at the Swan Reserve so he could walk. I'll give you one guess what he didnt do at the end of the night.... walk.

BLT = Bay Lake Tower (right next to the Contemporary Resort). We never do aggressive days in the park, which I assume means all-day'ers. We normally roll in around 11am until a late lunch. Go back to the resort, relax and do other things (swim, shop, boat, mini-golf, explore, etc.). Head back to a park around 5pm'ish and rock it until close. Using Genie Plus and Lighting Lanes, you are crush it with little effort.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Disney is all about greed. They want special rules and special taxes. Probably pay a lower rate than a min wage worker. Desantis needs to take a page out of the Gavin Newsome playbook and tax the heck out of them.

Not sure if they have begun a correction there.. but I had many recent criticisms of Disney along these lines. Some examples:

- they removed many benches in many parks.. purportedly to better have walking room for crowds. This was somewhat supported by removal of some planting beds and the widening of some walkways.. however, another angle was that this would force guests inside to restaurants to sit and have a meal.

- they used to have bottle-filling stations with cold water in spots. In Galaxy's Edge.. a newer park area for Star Wars they had a nice themed bottle-filler built into a wall outside a restroom. It was kinda cool and some animatronic was inside water reservoir. They seem to have purposely shut that down.. want water? buy it. On the other side of that they do have a rule where you can ask for a cup of water at any food vendor... but that, of course, might create add-on sales since you had to wait in line anyway.

-then they replaced FastPass (a free service) with Genie Plus (a paid service with peak pricing) and even that wasn't good enough so they reserved teh top rides in each park to be pay-per-ride priority boarding.

There are more and more examples.. Since its opening DisneyWorld has gone from family amusement park pricing to EVENT pricing.. but so has everything else in this age of greed.. sports.. broadway.. music.. pricing is based on whats the max you can you ask for when there is demand. Disney is just another example.

While I thought Florida would get Disney to back off with their threat to take away control of Reedy Creek... I thought they'd make a deal and give Disney back control for another 10 years or whatever.. but Disney's Reedy Creek org granting total control of everything over to Disney Corps just days before Florida's board of governors for RDXC would take over? That tells me that Disney is out of control. They need to be punished for such a blatant end-around.

 

[tom1944]

Not sure if they have begun a correction there.. but I had many recent criticisms of Disney along these lines. Some examples:

- they removed many benches in many parks.. purportedly to better have walking room for crowds. This was somewhat supported by removal of some planting beds and the widening of some walkways.. however, another angle was that this would force guests inside to restaurants to sit and have a meal.

- they used to have bottle-filling stations with cold water in spots. In Galaxy's Edge.. a newer park area for Star Wars they had a nice themed bottle-filler built into a wall outside a restroom. It was kinda cool and some animatronic was inside water reservoir. They seem to have purposely shut that down.. want water? buy it. On the other side of that they do have a rule where you can ask for a cup of water at any food vendor... but that, of course, might create add-on sales since you had to wait in line anyway.

-then they replaced FastPass (a free service) with Genie Plus (a paid service with peak pricing) and even that wasn't good enough so they reserved teh top rides in each park to be pay-per-ride priority boarding.

There are more and more examples.. Since its opening DisneyWorld has gone from family amusement park pricing to EVENT pricing.. but so has everything else in this age of greed.. sports.. broadway.. music.. pricing is based on whats the max you can you ask for when there is demand. Disney is just another example.

While I thought Florida would get Disney to back off with their threat to take away control of Reedy Creek... I thought they'd make a deal and give Disney back control for another 10 years or whatever.. but Disney's Reedy Creek org granting total control of everything over to Disney Corps just days before Florida's board of governors for RDXC would take over? That tells me that Disney is out of control. They need to be punished for such a blatant end-around.

If Florida does not want Disney to have a special district then end the special district but don’t put political appointees in charge of any facet of a private company.

By the way the agreement Disney and Reedy Creek signed still left infrastructure in control of the new board. Beyond that what does the board want control of? Do they want the power to pressure Disney on content or events at the parks?

 

[Scarlet_Monster]

If Florida does not want Disney to have a special district then end the special district but don’t put political appointees in charge of any facet of a private company.

By the way the agreement Disney and Reedy Creek signed still left infrastructure in control of the new board. Beyond that what does the board want control of? Do they want the power to pressure Disney on content or events at the parks?

DeSantis and his Cronies thought Reedy Creek actually decided what gets built and updated throughout the entire park. Like they seriously thought Reedy Creek was the one who decided to retheme Splash Mountain from Song of the South to Tiana and they would be able to halt the change against "wokeness"

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

If Florida does not want Disney to have a special district then end the special district but don’t put political appointees in charge of any facet of a private company.

By the way the agreement Disney and Reedy Creek signed still left infrastructure in control of the new board. Beyond that what does the board want control of? Do they want the power to pressure Disney on content or events at the parks?

yeah.. the infrastructure is sunk costs with debt.. the new deals Disney will be able to swing because they can make any kind of deal they want for lands once controlled by RCD.. that's profit.

The original reason RCD was created was because of the original plans for Epcot (experimental city of tomorrow) and how Disney was planning to manage a real "city" whose residents would one day have some control. Once Walt died.. that was done and the reason for something like RCD should have died with him and the abandonment of Epcot. Reedy Creek's population was 24 in 2020 census (old residents of Lake Buena Vista) .. have no idea what, if any, voting powers they have for local concerns.

This is a bit of an oddball youtube but he sums it up what Disney did nicely...

 

[RU-05]

More important for us to stay at the parks late than go early. Also early access for booking dining, Genie+, Individual Lighting Lanes, etc. We normally stay at BLT which is a 5-min walk to the front of the MK. This is a priceless benefit.

I'm not a big Disney person, but my mother is, we went last Feb, and stayed a short walk away from Epcot, and a boat ride away from the Star Wars park.

Not having to get in a car(or because of the boat, a bus) is a big plus for me. Especially as you say, being able to go back to the room mid day.

 

[tom1944]

yeah.. the infrastructure is sunk costs with debt.. the new deals Disney will be able to swing because they can make any kind of deal they want for lands once controlled by RCD.. that's profit.

The original reason RCD was created was because of the original plans for Epcot (experimental city of tomorrow) and how Disney was planning to manage a real "city" whose residents would one day have some control. Once Walt died.. that was done and the reason for something like RCD should have died with him and the abandonment of Epcot. Reedy Creek's population was 24 in 2020 census (old residents of Lake Buena Vista) .. have no idea what, if any, voting powers they have for local concerns.

This is a bit of an oddball youtube but he sums it up what Disney did nicely...

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I’m aware of the information in the video. The appointees of this board made public statements that basically they were going to use the power of the board to control whatever content or events Disney planned to do.

I cannot understand how any of you feel that is okay.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I’m aware of the information in the video. The appointees of this board made public statements that basically they were going to use the power of the board to control whatever content or events Disney planned to do.

I cannot understand how any of you feel that is okay.

You just assumed what the board would do before they did it. Just like "don't say gay".. it is a bogus charge.

Meanwhile, you seem to be fine with the old Disney-picked RCD board surrendering its powers and responsibilities to a giant corporation. So fascist.

 

[tom1944]

You just assumed what the board would do before they did it. Just like "don't say gay".. it is a bogus charge.

Meanwhile, you seem to be fine with the old Disney-picked RCD board surrendering its powers and responsibilities to a giant corporation. So fascist.

Did you read the comments of the board members and the governor.

No issue if the government eliminated Reedy Creek, big issue with political people sticking their noses into control of a private company.

I have to laugh at the inconsistency of so called conservative free market believers. It is a phony claim.

 

[tom1944]

Defend this-

While the board handles infrastructure and maintenance, DeSantis boasted that it could use its leverage to force Disney to stop “trying to inject woke ideology” on children.

“When you lose your way, you’ve got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis proclaimed. “So we hope they can get back on. But I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

 

[jtung230]

Less government……

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

I'm not a big Disney person, but my mother is, we went last Feb, and stayed a short walk away from Epcot, and a boat ride away from the Star Wars park.

Not having to get in a car(or because of the boat, a bus) is a big plus for me. Especially as you say, being able to go back to the room mid day.

That is a big plus 100%

I have no interest in the parks at this point in the program. I did it every year for like 15 because I had to be there.

Last time there we rented an Air BnB close by. I would drop off all who wanted to go right @ the entrance and head back to the house (5-6 mins). If they wanted to come back to the house to swim and take a break, I would run over and get them. They'd have lunch or whatever then I would drop them for round 2. Worked out tremendously.

Maybe when I have grand kids I'll go in with them. Only thing I would do right now is the scuba dive in the aquarium @ Epcot. That's pretty cool for the divers out there.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Did you read the comments of the board members and the governor.

No issue if the government eliminated Reedy Creek, big issue with political people sticking their noses into control of a private company.

I have to laugh at the inconsistency of so called conservative free market believers. It is a phony claim.

There is only one such thing as Reedy Creed in this nation. Was a deal made when it was all mostly swampland. The area is not that anymore. Why should that place have such special rules when they never did what they said they were going to do re: developing a city?

Clearly, you are okay with corporations controlling every aspect of what should be the government's purview. Why is that?

Oh.. and the board just replaces Reedy Creek District board appointed by Disney Corp. Why shouldn't the state (or counties involved.. as Disney is in at least 2 counties near Orlando.. and more elsewhere in Florida) .. why shouldn't those governments appoint commissioners just like Disney had done? They got no new powers over Disney... and Disney colluded with their appointed board to strip Reedy Creek District of 99% of its power. How is that right?

Prior tot eh change Disney Corp appointed the commissioners and they had certain powers and shielded Disney from certain debt accumulated by Reedy Creek.. for building roads, etc. DisneyWorld paid taxes to Reedy Creek... quite the shell game that.. and built up billions of debt for Reedy Creek. Who knows how much of what was really DisneyWorld debt versus Reedy Creek debt?

This is a very complex issue and, knowing what corporations do with few checks and balances, I don't doubt they crossed the line many many times.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

Defend this-

While the board handles infrastructure and maintenance, DeSantis boasted that it could use its leverage to force Disney to stop “trying to inject woke ideology” on children.

“When you lose your way, you’ve got to have people that are going to tell you the truth,” DeSantis proclaimed. “So we hope they can get back on. But I think all of these board members very much would like to see the type of entertainment that all families can appreciate.”

Disney picked sides in a political debate and they did not pick the side with the most votes in Florida. The "woke ideology" thing was Disney opposing a Florida law that would eliminate woke ideology being taught to young children so, yeah, DeSantis spoke the truth.

Disney did "lose its way" and Desantis hopes that they will never again speak to Florida law where children are concerned. Individual Disney employees can say whatever they like.. as individuals. but when you speak on behalf of Disney Corp... sorry, that has to have a cost to the corporation. And before you knee-jerk react to that statement, consider the various boycotts that special interest groups call for that are not warranted and cost people and small businesses and large businesses.. like the Atlanta All-Star Game debacle.. and AOC's nixing of Amazon coming to Queens.

The interesting thing is that Disney's CEO Chapek first responded properly when asked about the falsely named "Don't Say Gay" Bill. He responded as a corporation should.. they have nothing to do with what is taught in Florida's schools.

THEN.. someone at Disney decided that the cost for taking the proper position is too high.. activist employees and outside agitators would be upset and there would be a cost to Disney.. or more likely, a cost to Bob Chapek himself.. like protesters outside his home harassing his family and executive search firms boycotting him as "too toxic" for future spots on Boards of Directors.

So Bob Chapek reversed his position.. on behalf of Disney Corp.

So DeSantis.. wisely I think, decided to show Disney there would be a cost and it would be losing their special governmental powers of Reedy Creek District.

For now, Disney lawyers seem to have forestalled that a bit.. taking the powers without the responsibilities of Reedy Creek... but I think that will be proven to have been an illegal move that reeks of self-dealing and corruption.

 

[tom1944]

That you don’t see this abuse of government power says a lot about your faux conservative beliefs

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

That you don’t see this abuse of government power says a lot about your faux conservative beliefs

Are they conservative beleifs or faux conservative beleifs? Hard to keep track with you.

Admit it.. you are siding with the giant international corporation purely because it is DeSantis that went after them. If some Dem governor had gone after them because the CEO praised a choose-life group on some day DisneyWorld had a Right-to-Life day at the parks or a CEO said something supporting a bill allowing prayer in public schools you'd be 100% for the government getting involved versus a giant corporation.

Of the two of us, I think a "progressive" supporting a giant corporation having special rights that no other corporation has because of some sweetheart deal with politicians 50 years ago... I think that is much more hypocritical a position.

In the whales dying thread a similar thing happened.. I am pro-whale and anti-corporations building offshore windmills and all these progressives are supporting the corporations killing marine life.

Crazy world.

 

[fsg2]

Are they conservative beleifs or faux conservative beleifs? Hard to keep track with you.

Admit it.. you are siding with the giant international corporation purely because it is DeSantis that went after them. If some Dem governor had gone after them because the CEO praised a choose-life group on some day DisneyWorld had a Right-to-Life day at the parks or a CEO said something supporting a bill allowing prayer in public schools you'd be 100% for the government getting involved versus a giant corporation.

Of the two of us, I think a "progressive" supporting a giant corporation having special rights that no other corporation has because of some sweetheart deal with politicians 50 years ago... I think that is much more hypocritical a position.

In the whales dying thread a similar thing happened.. I am pro-whale and anti-corporations building offshore windmills and all these progressives are supporting the corporations killing marine life.

Crazy world.

Do you actually believe what you type or just hope it sticks to the wall?

Regardless, it ain't sticking.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The costs have always been high at top resorts on Hawaii. Maui more costly than Oahu , Big Island or kauai .Wife and I ( pre pandemic ) were ready for our 18th trip back but cancelled in 2020. Finally booked 3 weeks for May of this year on Oahu. After trip number 4 we booked a Maui Condo on Kaanapali Beach. We have done the same for all the others except on the Big Island .We have learned to use the condo route since then. We now stay on the more quiet side of Waikiki and with our car rental go to a different beach everyday . Lanikai , Waimanalo, Kailua etc. I won’t mention our top windward side stop as it became too well known with the internet. The leeward side also has numerous good beaches to relax and play even at age 73. We eat out every nite at a different place and cuisine. Tremendous choice of every culture your taste buds desire. Do yourself a favor and book a condo no matter what island. … much roomier and there are many within … everyone’s price range.For all the well healed on the board .When you speak to people who go often ( say yearly) to Hawaii it may surprise you what you learn. If $$$$ is no object then by all means book those expensive resorts. We have done that as well.

Agree on this. Though, my point was that we know Hawaii is super expensive but, you could do a crazy great vacation in Hawaii(Maui- too resort) for the same price as WDW.

 

[tom1944]

Are they conservative beleifs or faux conservative beleifs? Hard to keep track with you.

Admit it.. you are siding with the giant international corporation purely because it is DeSantis that went after them. If some Dem governor had gone after them because the CEO praised a choose-life group on some day DisneyWorld had a Right-to-Life day at the parks or a CEO said something supporting a bill allowing prayer in public schools you'd be 100% for the government getting involved versus a giant corporation.

Of the two of us, I think a "progressive" supporting a giant corporation having special rights that no other corporation has because of some sweetheart deal with politicians 50 years ago... I think that is much more hypocritical a position.

In the whales dying thread a similar thing happened.. I am pro-whale and anti-corporations building offshore windmills and all these progressives are supporting the corporations killing marine life.

Crazy world.

My beliefs are issue based not party based. I have no problem letting anyone know what they are and they don’t change even if a politician I like takes an opposite stance on the issue.


Let me make it clear I have no problem if they ended Reedy Creek. I have a big problem that he took over the current board with the intent to use it to control Disney’s content.

 

[RUBOB72]

Agree on this. Though, my point was that we know Hawaii is super expensive but, you could do a crazy great vacation in Hawaii(Maui- too resort) for the same price as WDW.

Actually it would be cheaper

 

[yesrutgers01]

Actually it would be cheaper

What is sad is that I even did flights from Newark to both Florida and Hawaii in the comparison and figured in food/drink costs.

I love Disney World/Universal and did it twice with the kids and twice just as a couple. Always have had a blast. But so damn glad we did it 15-20 years ago and not now.
And I read about the current trips- it just sounds to damn ass confusing. All we had to worry about then was getting park hopper tickers and whatever the express pass was for rides and scheduling any specialty dinners.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Let me make it clear I have no problem if they ended Reedy Creek. I have a big problem that he took over the current board with the intent to use it to control Disney’s content.

You are taking political talking points too literally. There is nothing the current or new Reedy Creek board could do that would influence actual content.