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OT: Landing Lane Bridge To Close

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A New Jersey Department of Transportation emergency repair project lasting approximately four to five weeks will close the Landing Lane Bridge starting after the last Rutgers Football home game on Saturday, November 25th.


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This is NJ.

We Monmouth folk are waiting for the completion of the "bridge" on county 524 near Allaire State Park. The Verrazanno Bridge was completed in less time. @koleszar - WTF with that thing and when will it be done?
@T2Kplus20 can tell you about an easy repair on 206 that took years that made no sense.

Also look at the River Road bridge that crosses 287. They've been working on that for what has to be 2-3 years if not more now.
 
So this current version of the bridge was built in 1995: it didn't even make it 30 years. I wonder what's wrong with it.
 
They closed it for repairs in 1965 for crying out loud. Nothing lasts these days!
 
@T2Kplus20 can tell you about an easy repair on 206 that took years that made no sense.

Also look at the River Road bridge that crosses 287. They've been working on that for what has to be 2-3 years if not more now.
Did I tell you the entire story including NJ Senator Sarlo's involvement? LOL!
 
This is NJ.

We Monmouth folk are waiting for the completion of the "bridge" on county 524 near Allaire State Park. The Verrazanno Bridge was completed in less time. @koleszar - WTF with that thing and when will it be done?
It took them a year and a half just for the downstream side. As you saw they just started the upstream side. Probably take them two more years. I don't get it, it's a one-lane road each direction and it's literally a creek, not more than 10' wide. If my math is correct, this company would have taken 483 years to complete the Verrazzano bridge.
 
Guy who knows a guy needs his roll buttered
The friends and family plan.

Even more alarming... I just saw Dana Perino last night on her show suggest Murphy use the money targeted for the windmills (now that they are canceled) to give to the teachers while RAISING standards. How about just giving it back to the taxpayers.. or, more correctly, not borrowing it and giving the bill to the taxpayers. And she's a NJ resident!
 
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The friends and family plan.

Even more alarming... I just saw Dana Perino last night on her show suggest Murphy use the money targeted for the windmills (now that they are canceled) to give to the teachers while RAISING standards. How about just giving it back to the taxpayers.. or, more correctly, not borrowing it and giving the bill to the taxpayers. And she's a NJ resident!
My wife is a teacher, she’s 9 years into her career and has not has a raise since 2019, so I am all for giving it back to teachers in some shape or form. She’s likely getting out of the profession soon and moving to private sector due to the lack of COLA during the inflationary last two years.
 
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The friends and family plan.

Even more alarming... I just saw Dana Perino last night on her show suggest Murphy use the money targeted for the windmills (now that they are canceled) to give to the teachers while RAISING standards. How about just giving it back to the taxpayers.. or, more correctly, not borrowing it and giving the bill to the taxpayers. And she's a NJ resident!

Nothing real "alarming" about that.
 
Nothing real "alarming" about that.
The very idea that politicians can spend money as they see fit... take money they claimed for one specific purpose than use it for another as if it was THEIR money to do with as they please.. if that doesn't alarm you.. well, that speaks for itself.
 
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The very idea that politicians can spend money as they see fit... take money they claimed for one specific purpose than use it for another as if it was THEIR money to do with as they please.. if that doesn't alarm you.. well, that speaks for itself.

Yeah, it says I value education ...and prefer not to be a hysterical cheap bastard.
 
The friends and family plan.

Even more alarming... I just saw Dana Perino last night on her show suggest Murphy use the money targeted for the windmills (now that they are canceled) to give to the teachers while RAISING standards. How about just giving it back to the taxpayers.. or, more correctly, not borrowing it and giving the bill to the taxpayers. And she's a NJ resident!

Yeah the "teachers" are doing such a good job churning out all those kids that can't read at their grade levels. Let's give them more money. (to take back in union fees and then donate back to the politicians).

Nice look Dana.
 
Maybe teachers wouldn't be complaining about lack of COLA
if they didn't vote for a guy who caused the highest inflation rate in decades.
 
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So I was reading up on the Landing Lane Bridge: when they renovated it in the mid-90's, apparently they couldn't make it 4 lanes because the piers were not sufficient for that. And they couldn't replace the piers without the Coast Guard getting involved (because it's a navigable waterway) which would have added years to the project.
 
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This is NJ.

We Monmouth folk are waiting for the completion of the "bridge" on county 524 near Allaire State Park. The Verrazanno Bridge was completed in less time. @koleszar - WTF with that thing and when will it be done?
Been wondering about that one...I play disc golf at Allaire occasionally and that seems like the slowest repair job ever...
 
Been wondering about that one...I play disc golf at Allaire occasionally and that seems like the slowest repair job ever...
Have a family member who I will see on Thanskgiving that happens to be a "bridge engineer" for the DOT. Will ask, and ask if he can get @koleszar to lay some concrete down and be done with that boondoggle!

BTW- do you often encounter disc golfers who allow their dogs to run loose while playing disc golf? I ride near/through the course a couple/few times each week. Last weekend, this dog would not leave me the hell alone and the owner acted like I was the problem. The golfers behind this guy and his family said to me that they would take that annoying dog out for me. Just wondering. I thought dogs had to be leashed. I was not riding "through" the course, but on that fire road that parallels I-195 and then turns and connects County 524 with I-195 (partially gravel). Sorry for the slight thread hijack.
 
Have a family member who I will see on Thanskgiving that happens to be a "bridge engineer" for the DOT. Will ask, and ask if he can get @koleszar to lay some concrete down and be done with that boondoggle!

BTW- do you often encounter disc golfers who allow their dogs to run loose while playing disc golf? I ride near/through the course a couple/few times each week. Last weekend, this dog would not leave me the hell alone and the owner acted like I was the problem. The golfers behind this guy and his family said to me that they would take that annoying dog out for me. Just wondering. I thought dogs had to be leashed. I was not riding "through" the course, but on that fire road that parallels I-195 and then turns and connects County 524 with I-195 (partially gravel). Sorry for the slight thread hijack.


Isn't that why they upped wheel size to 29? Can get over medium dogs as well as purse poodles, I'd think😜
 
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Yeah the "teachers" are doing such a good job churning out all those kids that can't read at their grade levels. Let's give them more money. (to take back in union fees and then donate back to the politicians).

Nice look Dana.
Get the heck out of here with this nonsense. It's always the teachers fault. Give me a break.
 
There was a large tree across one of the abutments at the last game. I wonder if that caused some damage but that bridge has seen worse.
 
Get the heck out of here with this nonsense. It's always the teachers fault. Give me a break.
If the teachers play QB on the high school football team it IS always there fault, or at least that is what a lot of football fans think.
If the sarcasm was missed, that was a joke.
And BTW, it is more a reflection on the parents and the kids themselves when students fail. The teacher has a role, but it is not as big as the parents and the students. I had some lousy teachers, but still learned the subject matter and got good grades. Those lousy ones made me appreciate the large majority of great teachers that brought learning to an even higher level.
 
Have a family member who I will see on Thanskgiving that happens to be a "bridge engineer" for the DOT. Will ask, and ask if he can get @koleszar to lay some concrete down and be done with that boondoggle!

BTW- do you often encounter disc golfers who allow their dogs to run loose while playing disc golf? I ride near/through the course a couple/few times each week. Last weekend, this dog would not leave me the hell alone and the owner acted like I was the problem. The golfers behind this guy and his family said to me that they would take that annoying dog out for me. Just wondering. I thought dogs had to be leashed. I was not riding "through" the course, but on that fire road that parallels I-195 and then turns and connects County 524 with I-195 (partially gravel). Sorry for the slight thread hijack.
I rarely see disc golfers with dogs and when I do, they always seem to be leashed. Unleashed dogs in parks in general is an annoying thing and happens way too often...
 
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The friends and family plan.

Even more alarming... I just saw Dana Perino last night on her show suggest Murphy use the money targeted for the windmills (now that they are canceled) to give to the teachers while RAISING standards. How about just giving it back to the taxpayers.. or, more correctly, not borrowing it and giving the bill to the taxpayers. And she's a NJ resident!
there was no state taxpayer money involved. These were federal tax credits that were supposed to go back to ratepayers, not taxpayers.
 
Yeah the "teachers" are doing such a good job churning out all those kids that can't read at their grade levels. Let's give them more money. (to take back in union fees and then donate back to the politicians).

Nice look Dana.
This is at teh same time that NJEA is asking for the standards test for teachers themselves to be dropped.

Yeah, I agree with teh idea of raising standards all-around... and pay when it is appropriate.. if it gets teh right results.. but this idea of just taking the money earmarked for something.. "money", which is likely loaned to New Jersey by future taxes.. well, it is not THEIR money to spend as they please. The money does not exist in their coffers. The likely result would be increased pay AND reduced standards and accountability... but more political "insurance" for those making the pay increase.

New Jersey is not alone in this. The CoVid monies.. borrowed from the future.. NOT spent on CoVid.. was distributed widely.. especially to "blue" states.. and they are spending this money willy-nilly. Politicians spend this money in ways that get them political power. They don't spend it for teh good of the state... just the good of certain influential groups.

Using teachers and children as beneficiaries sounds nice.. but the very idea that they can do this re-targeting of surplus money that doesn't actually exist.. it is just wrong in so many ways.
 
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there was no state taxpayer money involved. These were federal tax credits that were supposed to go back to ratepayers, not taxpayers.
are ratepayers not also taxpayers?

The idea was hideous from the start. Murphy decides the state must go to green energy.. so we'll "tax" ratepayers to pay for offshore windfarms.. useless idea.. so we're not going to build the farm because teh European partner realized it made no financial sense (or they wanted to get more subsidies from NJ).. and now there's a pool of imaginary money from ratepayers that won't go to going green energy but will go to pay teachers in order to increase standards?

Yeah.. that was one political commentators idea and I have not seen any politician propose it... but it is in line what others have done with CoVid monies and so on. We have seen this story before.. many times. "Surplus" budgets.. "Oh.. what can we spend it on!".. just give it back to the people you took it from and then ask them to pay for something you think is great for them and for NJ.
 
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are ratepayers not also taxpayers?

The idea was hideous from the start. Murphy decides the state must go to green energy.. so we'll "tax" ratepayers to pay for offshore windfarms.. useless idea.. so we're not going to build the farm because teh European partner realized it made no financial sense (or they wanted to get more subsidies from NJ).. and now there's a pool of imaginary money from ratepayers that won't go to going green energy but will go to pay teachers in order to increase standards?

Yeah.. that was one political commentators idea and I have not seen any politician propose it... but it is in line what others have done with CoVid monies and so on. We have seen this story before.. many times. "Surplus" budgets.. "Oh.. what can we spend it on!".. just give it back to the people you took it from and then ask them to pay for something you think is great for them and for NJ.

It was probably the plan all along.
 
The very idea that politicians can spend money as they see fit... take money they claimed for one specific purpose than use it for another as if it was THEIR money to do with as they please.. if that doesn't alarm you.. well, that speaks for itself.
It's been going on since the very first elected official existed, however far back that was. Also, if you think government is inefficient now, what do you think would happen if they had to turn around and have a special election for each and every issue that came up and required a funding move.

We elect representatives to represent our interests. When they do that, we vote for them again. When they don't, we don't vote for them. But the electorate can't micromanage the spending of every dollar. And since circumstances change constantly, funding raised for one thing will often be spent on another, and with good reason.

That's imperfect, sure. But nobody seems to be able to come up with a better approach. And anytime anybody tries, they get shouted down by the opposition party with little or no actual consideration for the idea itself.

Welcome to America. It ain't perfect but it's pretty damn good, all things considered. 🙂
 
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