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OT: last chance for a bit of snow (3/23)? Warm/less snowy pattern likely thru end of Feb

The Rutgers/New Jersey Weather Center measured gusts of 55 in Sea Girt a mile away. Sure seemed even stronger.

61 in Moorestown
54 in Old Bridge
50 in Atlantic City
 
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Its recycling pickup day here and it seems many neighbors are jerks who don't consider wind forecasts in putting stuff out.
Well, it's that day in my town too. Had to put it out before I left for work and they had not come yet. Tried to weigh it down as best I could, but with these gusts, you never know. I'm sure others are in the same boat.
 
Its recycling pickup day here and it seems many neighbors are jerks who don't consider wind forecasts in putting stuff out.
If it’s the night before I can understand the complaint but if it’s the morning of....what would you have them do as they have to go to work. Try to secure it as best you can but if the gusts are strong it doesn’t help.

It’s happened around me in the past multiple times where if I’m home I’ll go around picking up strewn about stuff that came from whomevers can in my yard and the surrounding nearby neighbors and put it back in any free can. It can be a lot sometimes. I secure it as best I can against the curb or another bin but on a strong gust day it doesn’t always hold and guess what I end up going out again lol and then hope the trash man comes soon haha.
 
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If it’s the night before I can understand the complaint but if it’s the morning of....what would you have them do as they have to go to work. Try to secure it as best you can but if the gusts are strong it doesn’t help.

It’s happened around me in the past multiple times where if I’m home I’ll go around picking up strewn about stuff that came from whomevers can in my yard and the surrounding nearby neighbors and put it back in any free can. It can be a lot sometimes. I secure it as best I can against the curb or another bin but on a strong gust day it doesn’t always hold and guess what I end up going out again lol and then hope the trash man comes soon haha.
Agree. You can't tie it down otherwise they won't pick up. I watched the news this morning. Don't remember any over the top wind warnings. It caught a lot of people off guard. First pouring rain. Then sun then massive winds. Places South of Philly suffered heavy wind damage
 
Agree. You can't tie it down otherwise they won't pick up. I watched the news this morning. Don't remember any over the top wind warnings. It caught a lot of people off guard. First pouring rain. Then sun then massive winds. Places South of Philly suffered heavy wind damage
Surprising the news didn't highlight the wind threat, as it's been well forecast and advertised. NWS issued Wind Advisories yesterday at 4 pm for high winds, with gusts to 40-50 mph throughout the region, inland of the coast, and up to 60 mph near the coast (where high wind warnings were issued) most of today, in the wake of the storm and the strong cold front. Was a good thread on this on AmericanWx, below.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic/53043-damaging-wind-~10a-3p-fri-feb-7/
 
Surprising the news didn't highlight the wind threat, as it's been well forecast and advertised. NWS issued Wind Advisories yesterday at 4 pm for high winds, with gusts to 40-50 mph throughout the region, inland of the coast, and up to 60 mph near the coast (where high wind warnings were issued) most of today, in the wake of the storm and the strong cold front. Was a good thread on this on AmericanWx, below.

https://www.americanwx.com/bb/topic/53043-damaging-wind-~10a-3p-fri-feb-7/
There focus was more on the heavy rain than possible snow in the Poconos. Still don't know why the Poconos are part of the forecast on all 3 channels. It just as close or closer to NYC. But they don't cover northern MD which is a lot closer.
 
So nice today I went for a bike ride. Up and back over the Ben Franklin Bridge. Headed south to the stadiums. Passed Citizens Bank Park. Had a big sign that read "8 days to pitchers and catchers"
Maybe that damn Groundhog was right.

How did you ride from the Ben Franklin bridge to the stadiums? Is there now some kind of bike route along the Delaware?
 
Really good write-up by DT/WxRisk, which he titled, "Why This Winter Has Sucked for the Eastern US." He goes through the various "teleconnection patterns" that heavily influence our winter weather in this area and shows how the teleconnections which favor mild and less snowy conditions for our area (+EPO/-PNA/+AO/+NAO - these are all fairly well explained in the link) have been in place since early December and look to remain in place for at least the next 2-3 weeks as I mentioned above.

As he readily admits, his winter forecast has already busted, as has the winter forecast for many pros and amateurs who try to do these (I still think pattern forecasts beyond a few weeks are useless). And in places like the weather boards, where most "forecasters" (even the pros) have a bias towards snow, the majority of winter forecasts are more often for snowy than not snow, so in a winter like this, most of these forecasters get it wrong.

Briefly, this teleconnection combination leads to a persistent ridge (high pressure) in the jet stream over Alaska with resulting clockwise flow driving the jet stream down into the western 1/3 of the CONUS, establishing a deep and persistent trough (low pressure) in the jet stream over the western half of the CONUS, bringing in cold air for the western half of the US (the cold air is to the north of the jet stream) and lots of snow, as a result. The jet stream then jogs back up well to the northwest of our area, forming another ridge over the SE CONUS and the clockwise flow around that brings generally warmer than normal SW flow to our area.

Now, every day isn't like this, but most days are, leading to warm and less snowy conditions, overall, for the eastern 1/3 of the CONUS. It can still snow, usually in overrunning events, where a cold front comes through and then moisture runs up and over the cold air from the SW, leading to snow to rain (or just rain) for the big cities and coast with snow to mix well inland and all snow typically only north of 84 or even 90, which is why places like Albany and parts of interior NY/New England have had above average snowfall, as they can be warmer than normal (which is still usually below 32F) and still get snow.

So, it's unlikely we'll see much if any snow through mid-February (with next Friday still having some shot at snow to rain) and it's possible the pattern will persist through the end of the month. However, it's rare for a pattern like this to persist for an entire winter, so March could end up being colder/snowier than normal, as has often been the case in recent years. That's not a forecast, though - we'll just have to see.

Changed the thread title from "OT: Coastal Storm for Saturday, 2/1 (now looks to miss us - out-to-sea)" to current title...


Bad news for snow lovers, as the warm and somewhat wet pattern, discussed in the quoted post above, is now looking like it will persist for at least the next 2 weeks for most of the eastern 1/3 of the US and probably through the end of February and maybe even beyond. So, the first week in Feb was clearly warmer than normal and next week looks like more of the same, with the only significant storm looking like a mostly wet one on Weds/Thurs (some chance of snow well inland). And the CPC (Feb outlook below), the long range Euro/GFS models, and most pros are thinking the next 2-3 weeks, at least look to be above normal for this area (and most of the eastern 1/3 of the US). The only area with above normal snowfall in the entire east is northern NY/New England, since it's been very wet and even above normal temps there are usually still below 32F - they just got hammered with snow yesterday and today. Ski resorts up there looking pretty good.

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https://www.33andrain.com/topic/1710-long-range-pattern-drivers-evolution-thread/page/215/#comments
 
How did you ride from the Ben Franklin bridge to the stadiums? Is there now some kind of bike route along the Delaware?
Crossed the bridge and then back over. Although not new, there used to be steps on the Camden side that have been replaced by a permanent ramp. This was my first time crossing since the change. Went South through the city and over to Delaware Ave at Oregon. That becomes Pattison Ave. Philly is a great bike friendly town.
 
Crossed the bridge and then back over. Although not new, there used to be steps on the Camden side that have been replaced by a permanent ramp. EDIT: Newer than I thought. Opened June 2019. This was my first time crossing since the change. Went South through the city and over to Delaware Ave at Oregon. That becomes Pattison Ave. Philly is a great bike friendly town.
 
Crossed the bridge and then back over. Although not new, there used to be steps on the Camden side that have been replaced by a permanent ramp. This was my first time crossing since the change. Went South through the city and over to Delaware Ave at Oregon. That becomes Pattison Ave. Philly is a great bike friendly town.

Yes, I've seen the steps because the Rutgers-Camden campus is at the foot of the bridge (in fact, it is actually closer to the river than the toll plaza. It's great that it's now a ramp. My knees won't let me ride any more, but yes, Philly is a great biking town. You probably noticed that the bike lanes in Center City are now on the left hand side with posts separating the lane from the traffic. (It makes left turns hell for motorists, but it's certainly good for cyclists. But it sounds like you stayed along the river when you rode.
 
Yes, I've seen the steps because the Rutgers-Camden campus is at the foot of the bridge (in fact, it is actually closer to the river than the toll plaza. It's great that it's now a ramp. My knees won't let me ride any more, but yes, Philly is a great biking town. You probably noticed that the bike lanes in Center City are now on the left hand side with posts separating the lane from the traffic. (It makes left turns hell for motorists, but it's certainly good for cyclists. But it sounds like you stayed along the river when you rode.
As a cyclist I'm thrilled to be back in Philly. Living in Beautiful Bucks County was great except riding a bike. Historical towns have very narrow roads. Weekends without rush hour traffic is just ok. Back in Philly I know all the safe routes
 
As a cyclist I'm thrilled to be back in Philly. Living in Beautiful Bucks County was great except riding a bike. Historical towns have very narrow roads. Weekends without rush hour traffic is just ok. Back in Philly I know all the safe routes
Wait? There are safe routes in philly?:Shocked
 
The generally warm, progressive (flow from the Pacific to here, without major troughs bringing in cold air) pattern looks to continue through the end of February, although there are signs of a possible pattern change in 9-10 days towards a colder pattern with some chances of snow, although we've seen several "false alarms" at 9-10 days out already this winter, so not worth banking on yet.

And here's the real kick in the head for the snow-starved northeast (except for northern NY/New England, which are doing fine, but skiers don't go there as much when it doesn't snow in the big cities): some models are showing a major snowstorm for parts of NC/SC and SE VA late Thursday into Friday. The latest NAM is below and the GFS is similar, but the Euro/UK aren't on board, so this is not a done deal yet, but if it happens, it would be a major story.

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Thanks, but you don't want to start showing your soft side too much, lol...
Who is RUNumbers? :Shocked
Do you realize, that if accurate, we are closing in on a record for second least snow total in history?
JcWeather based in Philadelphia, Local Weather for Philadelphia dating back to 1874, Port Richmond Weather, Poconos and New Jersey shore, past weather

http://jcweather.com/100snowytd.php


#134 1997-1998 0.8"
#135 2019-2020 0.3"
#136 1972-1973 0.0"

I vaguely recall the winter of 1972-73 (I was only 5 years old). What are your memories of that magnificent winter?

Interesting that 1997-98 was preceded by:

#3 1995-1996 65.5"

That winter sucked.
 
Who is RUNumbers? :Shocked
Do you realize, that if accurate, we are closing in on a record for second least snow total in history?
JcWeather based in Philadelphia, Local Weather for Philadelphia dating back to 1874, Port Richmond Weather, Poconos and New Jersey shore, past weather

http://jcweather.com/100snowytd.php


#134 1997-1998 0.8"
#135 2019-2020 0.3"
#136 1972-1973 0.0"

I vaguely recall the winter of 1972-73 (I was only 5 years old). What are your memories of that magnificent winter?

Interesting that 1997-98 was preceded by:

#3 1995-1996 65.5"

That winter sucked.
That's Philly and I grew up 10 miles SSE of Philly, but was 10 and have no recollection of that winter (probably too traumatic). Started keeping weather records when I was about 12. NYC is bad, but not as bad, as they've had about 5" so far, which is 4th worst since 1869. Worst ever was also 72/73 with 2.8", while the most recent really bad winter was 2001-2002 with 3.5" (3rd worst was 1918/19 with 3.8"). We've had a hefty 7.5" in Metuchen, though, lol.

https://www.weather.gov/media/okx/Climate/CentralPark/monthlyseasonalsnowfall.pdf
 
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Who is RUNumbers? :Shocked
Do you realize, that if accurate, we are closing in on a record for second least snow total in history?
JcWeather based in Philadelphia, Local Weather for Philadelphia dating back to 1874, Port Richmond Weather, Poconos and New Jersey shore, past weather

http://jcweather.com/100snowytd.php


#134 1997-1998 0.8"
#135 2019-2020 0.3"
#136 1972-1973 0.0"

I vaguely recall the winter of 1972-73 (I was only 5 years old). What are your memories of that magnificent winter?

Interesting that 1997-98 was preceded by:

#3 1995-1996 65.5"

That winter sucked.

I have more recollections of specific storms. There was one around that time on a weekend that may nave been 20" or so, postponing a RU-Cuse BB game iirc. There was also a 30" storm I believe in Dec 2010.
 
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Plants grow, less people die, you can wear hawaiian shirts and flip flops more. What's all the complaining about?
Wait a minute.........................you need warm weather to wear Hawaiian shirts?
 
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