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OT: Meddling Millennial parents

I did not read the article yet, but in Montclair, grown adults decided the girls 10 U town softball league can't have a championship game this year because of the disappointment suffered by the losing team.
That's weird because last year my daughters team won the championship, it was the single most fun day she's ever had in her life, and we had a great celebration that included the losing teams kids...and we all had a ball together
 
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Millennial a are people born between 1980-1995. Most do not have kids or have kids that would be old enough that you could really gauge much from those parenting style. The article is anecdotal bulls$!).

Everyone loves to blame the millennials for everything now but the fact is we have had to deal with more burdens the. Any generation since "The Greastest Generation": Economic ruin, globalization, two wars, the Baby Boomers management of the decline of America. Look in the mirror old people if you want to figure out the cause of societies problems.
 
This is nothing new. There's a large contingent in this generation of parents devoted to ensuring that their kids never have to suffer loss or disappointment of any kind. And yes, it starts - or is most obviously manifested - in recreational sports. Many leagues no longer keep score. When I was coaching, years ago, the woman who was president of the local rec soccer league instituted "Silent Sunday" - parents in the stands were not allowed to cheer or clap and coaches on the sidelines were prohibited from issuing directions or instructions to their players on the field.

Most of us here understand that this is a bad trend. Life isn't about zero competition and not everyone in the adult world gets a trophy. Insulating your kids from occasionally harsh realities is to deny them the ability to develop necessary coping skills. These children of "helicopter parents" will ultimately be ill-equipped to deal with the things life hands them.
 
Millennial a are people born between 1980-1995. Most do not have kids or have kids that would be old enough that you could really gauge much from those parenting style. The article is anecdotal bulls$!).

Everyone loves to blame the millennials for everything now but the fact is we have had to deal with more burdens the. Any generation since "The Greastest Generation": Economic ruin, globalization, two wars, the Baby Boomers management of the decline of America. Look in the mirror old people if you want to figure out the cause of societies problems.

And this is pure weak sauce. Every generation has had to deal with prior generations' mistakes. You're proving the point by example.
 
Millennial a are people born between 1980-1995. Most do not have kids or have kids that would be old enough that you could really gauge much from those parenting style. The article is anecdotal bulls$!).

Everyone loves to blame the millennials for everything now but the fact is we have had to deal with more burdens the. Any generation since "The Greastest Generation": Economic ruin, globalization, two wars, the Baby Boomers management of the decline of America. Look in the mirror old people if you want to figure out the cause of societies problems.
The article isn't about Millenial's parenting skills. It's about how their parents brought them up and are still holding on.
 
This is nothing new. There's a large contingent in this generation of parents devoted to ensuring that their kids never have to suffer loss or disappointment of any kind. And yes, it starts - or is most obviously manifested - in recreational sports. Many leagues no longer keep score. When I was coaching, years ago, the woman who was president of the local rec soccer league instituted "Silent Sunday" - parents in the stands were not allowed to cheer or clap and coaches on the sidelines were prohibited from issuing directions or instructions to their players on the field.

Most of us here understand that this is a bad trend. Life isn't about zero competition and not everyone in the adult world gets a trophy. Insulating your kids from occasionally harsh realities is to deny them the ability to develop necessary coping skills. These children of "helicopter parents" will ultimately be i

The problem with youth sports is that they a run by volunteers who all have different opinions and don't always have the best interest of the kids. I agree that 10 U is a good age for championship games but the teams also need to be evenly matched. When I was involved we split up the best players on different teams so one team wasnt loaded with all the talent. The games were good, close and exciting. In one league I know of a coach got all of the best players and beat every team by 15 runs. To me thats pointless.

Do you have championship games at 8 U or younger?
 
Millennial a are people born between 1980-1995. Most do not have kids or have kids that would be old enough that you could really gauge much from those parenting style. The article is anecdotal bulls$!).

Everyone loves to blame the millennials for everything now but the fact is we have had to deal with more burdens the. Any generation since "The Greastest Generation": Economic ruin, globalization, two wars, the Baby Boomers management of the decline of America. Look in the mirror old people if you want to figure out the cause of societies problems.
Millennials dont start until 1982 at the earliest. And they end later than 1995.

I doubt anyone is blaming Millenials for much of anything yet. Certainly the Boomers - merely by their overwhleming population warped and will continue to warp American public policy in a way that favors them and disfavors everyone after them.

But at least Millenials are sufficient in number even now to make a significant difference at some point.
 
I was born in 87 so I guess that makes me a millennial, but I hate my generation. Everyone my age gets offended by everything, still thinks people are entitled to certain pay or benefits for no economic reason, only an emotional plea, and the majority just crumble at the first sign of adversity. I never had any "feel good, everybody's a winner" events as a kid, and thank god I didn't. I could handle losing and just tried harder next time. I didn't believe it was a real thing when I heard about it. Then you have all these SJW who don't have a brain and start teaching kids about things like transgender when they shouldn't be concerned with that at such a young age, or protest because nobody wants to hire them with 0 job skills and a worthless degree.

When did such a disconnect from common sense occur?
 
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Agree that there is way too much structure overall in youth sports.

However, the crux of the attached article is lamenting the perceived increase in parental involvement with regards to employment...

That's just weird.
 
Millenials:

Less teenage pregnancy
Less crime
More education
More volunteering
More community involvement
Less materialism

Why do they get so much sh!t?
 
Millenials:

Less teenage pregnancy
Less crime
More education
More volunteering
More community involvement
Less materialism

Why do they get so much sh!t?

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Each generation is formed by the actions of the previous generation. Why are the parents of millenials over involved? Because when those parents were kids they were latch key kids who had little supervision. Growing up they said they will never do that when they had kids so they swung the pendulum all the way to the other direction. The pendulum will swing back for the next generation.
 
Because for the most part they are hyper offended do-gooders with socialist world views

Oh, so they are young? Got it. The semi-regular 'get off my lawn' threads are fantastic arguments from anecdotes, but by just about every measurable metric, the Millenials are a generation that is better than previous generations.
 
I personally think the Millenial generation is the easiest generation to get ahead in. I think its that way due to two things: helicopter parents who completely retard their kids growth and development, and the brain washing those same Millenials endured in school; teaching them that they deserve everything and distorting the reality of the "real world". I've just kept my head down, worked on my career growth and been smart with my money. My peers were getting blasted every weekend, renting out shore houses in the summer and telling everyone how great their life is on facebook and instagram. I've started to look up recently and realize I've completely blown by 99% of the people my age...and I'm not an engineer, lawyer or someone born on 3rd base. Hard work makes getting ahead easier than ever in the "handout" generation.
 
Fear makes the world go round. The news says we can't trust anyone. Insurance and lawsuits. Social media will tell us if you are a good partner/parent/worker/chef or any other thing you can imagine -

The sooner the instatwittertards delete their accounts the better off they will be.
My kids will be playing in the park down the block, alone - developing skills that will take your kids job from them. Or will these skills be useless since the rest of society will be different? What a dilemma! I might as well over-parent too then, I sure as hell don't want to put my kids at some sort of a disadvantage.
My wife refuses to have more kids. Maybe parenting has gotten too damn hard and she just can't do it anymore. So the family name, our legacy, generations and generations of us, from eastern Europe to the suburbs of bergen county, all rests on the shoulders of my one son... But wait, I have two daughters, they could probably get their "men" to take our last name instead of theirs. Will these guys allow it? No way, right? I mean, they have beards and a pickup truck,..
 
Yeah interesting convo going on here, but it's not really about the linked article in the OP.
 
That article if true is disturbing.

I've never heard of parents going to a job interview or calling up or writing letters to employers on behalf of their 22 year old adult child. What!! If this is what is happening and how involved these parents are that is some weird stuff right there.

I get it at a elementary and middle school and def certain High School situations. Some kid gets an 89 and the mom calls up and demands the A-. Ok sure that happens prob a lot.

Once you're off to college that game is over. Once you're in the "real world" I can't even imagine (which is why my mind is blown right now) this happening.
 
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the thrust of the article is that parents who raised these kids still can't let go even when they are out of college and into the job market.
 
I was an 80's kid.

There were no participation trophies (and no one wore helmet. We learned to measure risk). I was so sad when only the CHAMPION got a trophy. I never won a trophy, ONCE, as a kid. It taught me to work harder, stop blaming everyone else.

My Little League team was just ok year in and year out. My old man "wasn't part of the cool rich dad club." But my old man was the man though. The other dads used to stack one team every year. I saw that as a 7yr old. He taught me then, "Life is fight every day kid. Its more than just showing up and doing your job. You need to navigate many obstacles to survive (politics being one of them)." -Best lesson I could have painful learned back then.

My son is learning he's on his own. Mom and dad can't fight for him. He'll have to earn his own dollar at some point. So he'll start now and be better off than most of the hacks in this world.
 
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I personally think the Millenial generation is the easiest generation to get ahead in. I think its that way due to two things: helicopter parents who completely retard their kids growth and development, and the brain washing those same Millenials endured in school; teaching them that they deserve everything and distorting the reality of the "real world". I've just kept my head down, worked on my career growth and been smart with my money. My peers were getting blasted every weekend, renting out shore houses in the summer and telling everyone how great their life is on facebook and instagram. I've started to look up recently and realize I've completely blown by 99% of the people my age...and I'm not an engineer, lawyer or someone born on 3rd base. Hard work makes getting ahead easier than ever in the "handout" generation.
While I applaud you the same story can be told of successful people in every generation. It's always been about keeping your head down, doing what you are asked, and realizing the world isn't going to hand you crap. Every generation has their issues and obstacles and it's always the complainers who fall behind. I think the main difference with your generation is that social media allows them to complain to the masses. "In my day" people just complained to the other drunk guy at the neighborhood bar about how unfair life was.
 
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I honestly can’t say how the millennials will fare in the long term but I will say this.

While, I think the millennials as a whole have earned not such a great reputation for work ethic, the fraction of millennials at work that understand competition is real and that hard work and long hours are rewarded are doing quite well in the company I work for.

We live in a global economy. They will realize sooner or later, if they don't do it, someone else will. Like the article says. Every generation grows up. Reality may come harder to them though.
 
Just read the article, are there really grown adults bringing their parents to job interviews, and having parents write letters to their managers?
 
Each generation is formed by the actions of the previous generation. Why are the parents of millenials over involved? Because when those parents were kids they were latch key kids who had little supervision. Growing up they said they will never do that when they had kids so they swung the pendulum all the way to the other direction. The pendulum will swing back for the next generation.
Exact opposite for me. I was born in '62 and my parents split up in '71, so no dad around after that, plus my mom was a "functional alcoholic," meaning I had no supervision after about the age of 9 - and I mean no supervision. Started smoking weed and drinking at 12, never had a curfew (and took full advantage of that), and could do basically whatever I wanted, as long as I kept my grades up - my parents always held that out as a potential crackdown scenario for me, but it was never needed.

I absolutely loved the independence and when our son was born in 1994, I fought strenuously to allow him his independence (my wife was reasonably well aligned with me on that). They'd have friends over and be essentially unsupervised in the basement and the yard and even within a few blocks after they were about 11 or so.

Some other parents were horrified that we weren't more involved and didn't monitor everything he did. And yeah, by the time they were 16, we know there was some drinking going on in the basement, but we had a non-negotiable rule that nobody left the house incapacitated and nobody drove home. To this day, they always have a designated driver, which is way better than what we did at their age (I'm very lucky to be alive is all I'll say).

I do not think any pendulum is swinging back, though, as the mindset has become that, for safety and liability reasons (and peer pressure around it), parents can't afford to allow unsupervised time for their kids. I feel bad for the kids.

Our son, who turns 21 shortly, is very thankful for the independence we gave him. He just completed a transfer from the New School to Rutgers for his senior year, in which he did 95% of it himself, such as moving out of his apartment, finding a new one in NB with friends, owning the communications of the transfer process/paperwork completely, talking to profs at both schools, etc. We have friends whose kids would never been "allowed" to do all that without oversight (he consulted with us to check himself, but that was all).
 
You never won a trophy? Really?

Nope. Not in baseball, not in Pop Warner. My teams were terrible or average. Which was fine. The pain stung. But you knew what excellence looked like, and I/we weren't one of them.

Then I got tired of the beat downs and grabbed the bull by the horns in 7th grade: Asked my old man for a gym membership and speed parachutes.

When I see all these participation trophies plastered on Facebook, it makes me sick.
 
Nope. Not in baseball, not in Pop Warner. My teams were terrible or average. Which was fine. The pain stung. But you knew what excellence looked like, and I/we weren't one of them.

Then I got tired of the beat downs and grabbed the bull by the horns in 7th grade: Asked my old man for a gym membership and speed parachutes.

When I see all these participation trophies plastered on Facebook, it makes me sick.
What age did you start playing sports?
 
You don't give kids enough credit.

The participation trophies are for the parents, so they can feel good.

Kids know who can play and who can't.
 
You don't give kids enough credit.

The participation trophies are for the parents, so they can feel good.

Kids know who can play and who can't.
exactly, even my Kindergarten son knows this. He puts any trophy that doesn't involve a championship in a box in his closet. In our town, the only sport that hasn't kept score or standings(3 kids) is coach pitch baseball which I think is fine.
 
exactly, even my Kindergarten son knows this. He puts any trophy that doesn't involve a championship in a box in his closet. In our town, the only sport that hasn't kept score or standings(3 kids) is coach pitch baseball which I think is fine.
What age do they start to keep score?
 
What age do they start to keep score?
I think its the next division up. Combination of second and third graders bit not sure how they break it up. I don't like how my little league breaks kids up as my son's team consists of kids in K, 1st, 2nd, and some 3rd graders. The 3rd graders are supposed to be bad or first time players but I still think they are to big to be playing with K kids. We have a few K kids on our team who lose focus 3 minutes into the game. I can't see my kid being in this division past next season and if they force kids to play down, I fully understand why Lacrosse is kicking baseball's butt.
 
You don't give kids enough credit.

The participation trophies are for the parents, so they can feel good.

Kids know who can play and who can't.

exactly, even my Kindergarten son knows this. He puts any trophy that doesn't involve a championship in a box in his closet. In our town, the only sport that hasn't kept score or standings(3 kids) is coach pitch baseball which I think is fine.

Great points. My son chucked all his participation trophies, but he kept his baseball trophy from the 12-13 year old team that won the Metuchen Little League championship, especially because he had the game-tying RBI on a double and scored the go-ahead run in the last inning after reaching base on a triple. Was his best game ever, as he struggled in the field, although he generally hit ok.
 
Come to think of it...I can't believe all the participation trophies I have sitting in an attic. You got a trophy at our end of the year party in every sport. That's so pathetic thinking back on it.
 
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