OT: Michigan vs. Utah Thursday night - should be fun
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Yes, 11-1 for all opponents is not possible, so your point is worthless
And another thing about rooting for MI, TTFP, etc
Bowl possibility for RU
If Michigan and RU finish 6-6, which team is getting that last B1G bowl bid?
Yeah, I thought so.
So stop with the "it doesn't matter to RU" crap
And another thing about rooting for MI, TTFP, etc
Bowl possibility for RU
If Michigan and RU finish 6-6, which team is getting that last B1G bowl bid?
Yeah, I thought so.
So stop with the "it doesn't matter to RU" crap
So now the argument has morphed from recruiting setbacks to some hypothetical where we may be in a dead heat with Michigan for a bowl game. Well then beat them and whomever else necessary to secure the bowl bid. That's up to us performing not relying on others losing especially non conference.
I'm not relying on us walking over "dead bodies" to get where we need to go. If it works out like that fine but I want us to do what we need to do and beat who we need to beat. Whatever is in our path, we have to take it down. If it's a weak B10 east fine and if it's a strong B10 east that's also the task.
As if rooting for anything whether positive or negative against conference mates has any bearing. If rooting for something had any impact RU would be 12-0 every year.
I'm not relying on us walking over "dead bodies" to get where we need to go. If it works out like that fine but I want us to do what we need to do and beat who we need to beat. Whatever is in our path, we have to take it down. If it's a weak B10 east fine and if it's a strong B10 east that's also the task.
As if rooting for anything whether positive or negative against conference mates has any bearing. If rooting for something had any impact RU would be 12-0 every year.
You can't understand the simple point that at the end of the season it is better to have beaten good teams then bad teams.
Hate Michigan or not, the best result for Rutgers is if RU beats them and they (UM) have a great season, which includes a win over Utah. The only way your "point" is not completely worthless is if you think that RU has no chance to beat UM. If that is the case, you should not be wasting your time arguing with people on this board.
Why root for Umich. They are cherry picking NJ recruits
Whether they win or not does their recruiting prowess change? Same for PSU or any of the other name brands. PSU had the largest scandal in college football and they kept much of the team on board and recruited fine and continue to do so now. How did Hoke do after Rich Rod? These kind of programs sell themselves and as long as you don't have a tree as HC, they're going to recruit well. One game or one season means nothing. I mean look at Miami who hasn't been really good for a decade or more but Golden and Shannon before him recruited well.
The only way to combat that isn't relying on a loss in some inconsequential season opener, it's not even rooting for them to have a losing season. It's all about us, specifically exceeding expectations so much that recruits will have no choice but to take notice. If you have a dynamic personality as coach that'll just magnify it but in the end it's really about results or it would fade eventually. Like I said TCU/Baylor have done well the last handful of years and I'm sure their recruiting has gotten better as a result. Ole Miss/MSU broke through a bit last year. We'll see how much of a fluke or reality it was in the coming year(s). Point is, it's really up to us. Relying on others to fail, usually isn't the path to success. It's looking within yourself and finding a way to outperform that is. If they happen to fail around us then so be it, but it's about us not them.
Besides, if you've seen my posts around here I'm much more about coaching over recruiting. Rarely comment on recruits and never complain about who we get, nor do I get too excited. The coach gets who he gets, I care about the results. Schools like Wisconsin and MSU when Dantonio first started don't recruit gangbusters but they manage to build themselves into respectable programs. I believe we have every bit the same potential in our program.
A lot of good points raised in here I always root for conference mates OOC, helps the perception of the conference, and thus my team. (BYU would be the exception, but they are never going to sniff an invite to the PAC)
This should be a good game. We return 14 starters, 7 on each side of the ball, Plus our Ray Guy punter and the #4 place kicker in the country last year are back. As stated above, we pretty much reload on defense. Offense is still a question, even with a 4th year starter QB, but to be fair, we've had a turnover at OC every year..
This should be a good game. We return 14 starters, 7 on each side of the ball, Plus our Ray Guy punter and the #4 place kicker in the country last year are back. As stated above, we pretty much reload on defense. Offense is still a question, even with a 4th year starter QB, but to be fair, we've had a turnover at OC every year..
Yes, but Whittingham as HC has always been the defacto DC, that's his area of expertise, he was Urban Meyer's DC until Urban left for FL and he was promoted. Brought Pease out of retirement who has a long history with Utah, even after leaving the NFL...
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Let's not forget they have issues on the OL and at receiver. The current QB are not as good as last year. Without the QB from last year expect more sacks. This a run first team that doesn't have to the ability to pass it way back into the game. The Iowa transfer (2 year starter) left because he lost his job to an unproven QB who can make all the throws. Anything over 15 years is a challenge for the current group. Oh, the defense lost a pair of talented DE and was part of the reason Harbaugh decided to switch to a 3/4 look. His current Ends are smaller, so there might be some issues against the run. It takes time to have your system installed and have the team respond the way you wish.
This should be a fun one.
Ehhhhh gonna have to disagree here. I see what ur trying to say but i dont think it really applies to Rutgers in this situation. Us beating a bad UMich or a good UMich doesnt make a difference. We won't get any credit or increase of perception for it. It will just be viewed as "they are weak and overrated ", or "they messed up against RU". It really doesnt matter how many wins our in-conference opponents have as long as we beat them all, in which case we WANT the best chance to win. A UMich team with question marks, lowered confidence and in disarray gives us the best chance for a win against them. The BCS era is over. A win, is a win, is a win now. We are backed by an outright conference championship game. We just need to win. Screw everything else.
Ehhhhh gonna have to disagree here. I see what ur trying to say but i dont think it really applies to Rutgers in this situation. Us beating a bad UMich or a good UMich doesnt make a difference. We won't get any credit or increase of perception for it. It will just be viewed as "they are weak and overrated ", or "they messed up against RU". It really doesnt matter how many wins our in-conference opponents have as long as we beat them all, in which case we WANT the best chance to win. A UMich team with question marks, lowered confidence and in disarray gives us the best chance for a win against them. The BCS era is over. A win, is a win, is a win now. We are backed by an outright conference championship game. We just need to win. Screw everything else.
Plenty of talent, o line will be a lot better, wr still a big ?, Rudock will be better w a lot less tos. I don't think M is there yet but give them a couple of yrs and the drought is offically over.
Can't make chicken soup out of chicken sh*t. The same crap is still there now. Give Harbaugh another year or two to get his people, then I'll be willing to agree the drought might be over.
I still don't get how you don't get it.
As a Rutgers fan, you are actually rooting for Michigan and TTFP to have as good a record as possible?
Seriously?
What are you guys smoking? Must be some good stuff.
Those teams already have top 10 recruiting classes. And now you want them to be in the running for conference championships.
Seriously, give me some of those drugs!!
The argument we want to win all of our games and have all of them come against top flight teams is just not in the cards (and won't be for years to come until Ohio State and MI St come back to the pack.
We have a great chance to finish 3rd in the conference, but you want the other middle of the pack B1G East teams to have a good a record as possible.
Again, give me some of those drugs!
Even if we somehow finish, say 4-4 in conference and 8-4 overall, and those 2 teams finish 7-5 overall and 3-5 in conference, who is going to a good (decent) bowl game, and who is getting Pinstripe?
Take a guess.
Then pass me the pipe. Must be some good sh*t!
Oh, and by the way, by you rooting for those 2 teams to have a good a record as possible, you are saying you want those teams to be "back". Why would you want people around the country to think those 2 teams are "back"? Don't you think that helps their recruiting narrative and pitch even more?
As a Rutgers fan, you are actually rooting for Michigan and TTFP to have as good a record as possible?
Seriously?
What are you guys smoking? Must be some good stuff.
Those teams already have top 10 recruiting classes. And now you want them to be in the running for conference championships.
Seriously, give me some of those drugs!!
The argument we want to win all of our games and have all of them come against top flight teams is just not in the cards (and won't be for years to come until Ohio State and MI St come back to the pack.
We have a great chance to finish 3rd in the conference, but you want the other middle of the pack B1G East teams to have a good a record as possible.
Again, give me some of those drugs!
Even if we somehow finish, say 4-4 in conference and 8-4 overall, and those 2 teams finish 7-5 overall and 3-5 in conference, who is going to a good (decent) bowl game, and who is getting Pinstripe?
Take a guess.
Then pass me the pipe. Must be some good sh*t!
Oh, and by the way, by you rooting for those 2 teams to have a good a record as possible, you are saying you want those teams to be "back". Why would you want people around the country to think those 2 teams are "back"? Don't you think that helps their recruiting narrative and pitch even more?
How can Michigan lose? Last season Utah lost to Washington State at home. According to one of our posters that WSU team was a very bad team, perhaps the worst team in recorded history. He told us that again and again and again. Any time it was necessary to denigrate RU success he would pull out that go to mantra. So, even tho Michigan lost to RU, Utah had the far worse loss. Michigan in a romp.
And now you've changed the argument another time. Where have I said I want Michigan or any other conference mate to have a good a record as possible. I said I'm rooting for Michigan to beat Utah and will also root for other B10 teams to win OOC games, that's it. How you go from that to wanting these guys to be "back," who knows? I didn't say anything about what they do in conference.
I don't get how you don't get that rooting for these teams OOC makes very little difference to us in terms recruiting because it's always going to be an uphill climb against them whether they're good or bad. If PSU's scandal didn't cripple it in recruiting pretty much nothing will. Pretty much no amount of losing will do it to these type of programs either because that amount of losing would never realistically occur because of the money they have to spend. That just goes to show the power of these brands.
They're going to do what they're going to do and will always be name brand storied programs. An inconsequential loss in the season opener or even a whole terrible season won't help us much. It's our own ability to overachieve and beat them whether good or bad that's going to move the needle. Like I said I don't follow recruiting much but Hoke got Jabril Peppers right? And a handful of years before that didn't we lose 3 NJ players to Michigan under Rich Rod. So did it make a difference how bad they were? Nope, they'll still always come in and be a tough SOB to beat on the recruiting trail because they're Michigan. Same for PSU, ND and any other name brand stepping into NJ. A dynamic recruiting personality could probably combat that some but really in the end the only sustainable way to combat that is to overachieve and really outperform. In the end, whether they're good or bad it's our job to beat them and that's the point.
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"Where have I said I want Michigan or any other conference mate to have a good a record as possible. I said I'm rooting for Michigan to beat Utah and will also root for other B10 teams to win OOC games, that's it."
Doesn't logic dictate if those teams go 4-0 OOC, they have a good chance to go at least 7-5 if not 8-4 or 9-3 in conference?
And if that happens, and RU has anywhere between 6-8 wins, we are in direct competition for bowl bids with those teams.
Tell me again why you are rooting for Michigan to go 1-0 4 times OOC?
Doesn't logic dictate if those teams go 4-0 OOC, they have a good chance to go at least 7-5 if not 8-4 or 9-3 in conference?
And if that happens, and RU has anywhere between 6-8 wins, we are in direct competition for bowl bids with those teams.
Tell me again why you are rooting for Michigan to go 1-0 4 times OOC?
Our job is to win our games, who knows what they're going to do. I don't and you don't. All our conference mates are going to do what they're going to do. I'm not looking so far in the future to see who's going to finish where and how that will affect my rooting interests. If it's something that's in our direct and fairly immediate future where rooting for a particular outcomes matters then of course I'd root for our interests. This isn't that and I also put much more emphasis on conference records.
There are going to be teams that finish between 6-8 wins overall regardless of Michigan being one of them or not. We're going to have competition no matter what. There are 14 teams and undoubtedly there will be teams that finish in that win total range. And guess what we're in the B10 now, not the AAC. If we're bowl eligible it's very likely we're going to have a landing spot so I'm not worried about being in competition with anyone. And if you're worried about some minor bowl A vs some minor bowl B, well I'm not. In the scheme of things it doesn't make a difference. Now if it's the "top tier" of bowls, at least that's something. And no matter what, if we're up at that level there will always be competition. So again that's up to us. Look inward, not outward so much.
There are going to be teams that finish between 6-8 wins overall regardless of Michigan being one of them or not. We're going to have competition no matter what. There are 14 teams and undoubtedly there will be teams that finish in that win total range. And guess what we're in the B10 now, not the AAC. If we're bowl eligible it's very likely we're going to have a landing spot so I'm not worried about being in competition with anyone. And if you're worried about some minor bowl A vs some minor bowl B, well I'm not. In the scheme of things it doesn't make a difference. Now if it's the "top tier" of bowls, at least that's something. And no matter what, if we're up at that level there will always be competition. So again that's up to us. Look inward, not outward so much.
Wow, I feel like at one time this thread was "who's psyched for the first big cfb game of the year." Now it's a pissing contest about non-RU game rooting strategery.
Seriously, who gives a f*. Watch the game, enjoy the start of the season and root for who you want. Or don't.
Seriously, who gives a f*. Watch the game, enjoy the start of the season and root for who you want. Or don't.
I completely agree with this but it's being made to sound as what kind of morons am I and others who root for the conference in OOC games as if rooting actually has any affect. You're right though. I'm gonna just let this go no matter the response.
I'm dying for football.
Other than Penn State... I will always root for Big Ten teams in OOC and bowl games.
That being said, I would not be shocked if Utah wins this one however.
That being said, I would not be shocked if Utah wins this one however.
It's strange how certain fans are enamored with Harbaugh as the end all-be all, as if Michigan has been recruiting as the lil sisters of the poor over the last 4 to 5 years....At last check, it's still Michigan.
The excuses need to stop for Michigan's lack of talent and I am not rooting for either team on Thursday, whatever happens, will happen.
As far as RU and the B1G profile being raised as a conference, it's only raised if the bottom of the conference improves, not the Top 4 or 5.....what raises the profile is Rutgers having another winning season and if that means it comes at Michigan's expense, so be it.....
The excuses need to stop for Michigan's lack of talent and I am not rooting for either team on Thursday, whatever happens, will happen.
As far as RU and the B1G profile being raised as a conference, it's only raised if the bottom of the conference improves, not the Top 4 or 5.....what raises the profile is Rutgers having another winning season and if that means it comes at Michigan's expense, so be it.....
I dislike all our division foes. I couldn't care less if they lost every OOC game and the perception of the B1G was shat. They are all rivals and I hate every team in the B1G east except RU.
Enough about the rooting interests.
But as to Harbaugh, I do think he's as good as a coach on the college football landscape save Saban/Meyer. Meyer is the only one I can think off the top of my head that really just came in right away and won at such a high level at OSU (undefeated his first year). I think most thought there'd be a transition there too. Did Saban even do that at LSU/Alabama in his first year?
A lot of schools have recruited well according to the rankings but when a new coach comes in there's still that transition period to get his system and mentality in place. The mentality thing is really key for me with regards to Harbaugh more than system even. Hoke recruited well there according to the rankings but how talented were they? Was the coaching lousy? Was it over rated talent? Was it a little bit of both? I don't know but I tend to think the last option.
I do think there must be at least some good talent on the team that's why I say 7-8 wins aren't off the table even though the schedule is tough and others think it's probably a rebuilding year. Year 3 and even maybe by next year if he's not getting up to double digit wins then the hype is going to wear off a little.
Yes, but nothing any fan thinks, roots for, or wants to happen has any bearing on what happens on the field. So you can root for any body you want to.
Really, you think?
So my rooting for Michigan to win or lose won't actually impact the result of their game.
WOW!
Why didn't I think of that!
Go Michigan!
Go TTFP!
Go Maryland!
Go Indiana!
Go OSU!
Go Michigan State!
What the heck, I'll throw in - Go RU!
The better those schools are and the better record they have and the better they recruit, the better it is for Rutgers!
No brainer!
