OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread

[Rutgers NJ]

I still think the Mets signing Soto is something we'll look back on and regret, but it sure is nice to see the Yankees fan meltdown. Did that Yankee fan take down his post from last week when he said Soto would never sign with a loser organization like the Mets? Brahhhhhha https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog...-of-new-york-baseball-changed-forever-tonight

 

[megadrone]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

 

[RAHWAYBOB]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Which of those signings were with David Stearns as GM?

 

[Plum Street]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Off the top of my head

Beltran
Piazza (was traded for but Mets signed him as free agent in off season)
Lindor (was traded for and Mets signed him to a new contract)

 

[MadRU]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Beltran

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[nutfromSEC117]

need one more big bat to complete lineup

“Should”…Get a better season from Alvarez

Full season of Vientos

McNeil if here needs to choose …..300-325 slap hitter
OR 275-280 with 20 HR. He was a complete mess trying to have both approaches at the plate.

300 slap hitter batting 8th or 9th giving Lindor and Soto plenty of RBI chances will be good enough.

 

[RUInsanity]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Met's do not have an opt out. Soto has an opt out after Year #5 (2029). Met's can void that opt out by increasing his annual salary to $55M per season for the remaining 10 years of his contract at that point. Would bring the total contract value to $805M if that happens. This is a very good signing for the Mets as it will bring interest and fans in the seats and Soto is at a minimum a Top 5 hitter in MLB. Downside will not come until he gets older (i.e. 7-8 years from now). The watch out will be if this impacts other signings as the Mets likely need further pitching depth as well as to decide on resigning/replacing Alonso. With Soto they are at about $200M in salary before filling any other holes and settling arbitration players.

 

[graystork]

All that '"tradition", 27 rings and playing with Mr. May 2.0 meant nothing. Maybe it was how he saw the fanbase treat Judge? 🥸

As I told my Yankee friend. The Yankees are not special. Their history is special. They are an ordinary team like everyone else. It's like the new Yankee Stadium. A newer stadium next to a parking lot where some of the greatest baseball players in history played. The whole idea that Juan Soto was going to give up money just to play with a team that hadn't made the World Series for 15 years until this year was ludicrous.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Remember 20 billion in a zero risk savings account at 4% is 800 million.

I think Stevie earns a little more then 4% returns

 

[NickRU714]

Of course, the Yankees and 760 million of their money disagree with you.

Exactly.
Yankees just made the WS with Soto and tried to keep him.

Couldn't have been that bad of a clubhouse guy.
Unless the premise is that the Yankees are an bad organization and a bad judge of character for players.

So is it the Yankees are incompetent or prior negative reports on Soto are no longer there?

 

[NickRU714]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Piazza, Beltran, Lindor.
If the Mets traded for Soto then signed would that make a huge difference in the outlook of the signing?

Also, heard a funny joke from a Mets fan.
$51m in 15 years? Soto will be the lowest paid player in the league.

 

[The RUT]

Yes, at least the Yankees still have Judge out there. While Judge did drop that can of corn to center field in the fifth inning of game 5 and then wander his way toward Teoscar Hernandez's game-tying double, he'll be a wiser 33 years old next year and will fix all of that. I'm sure Soto will make similar adjustments in 2032, his age 33 year.

lol yeah I’ve been saying for a bit the Yanks issue is they fall in love with the big name and the big bat far too often. They haven’t built a team in years, just a collection of talent.

I know I’ve been dogging on Soto a bit, but Met fans will love watching him play. Sometimes he hits these HRs where you’re just amazed.

 

[The RUT]

Exactly.
Yankees just made the WS with Soto and tried to keep him.

Couldn't have been that bad of a clubhouse guy.
Unless the premise is that the Yankees are an bad organization and a bad judge of character for players.

So is it the Yankees are incompetent or prior negative reports on Soto are no longer there?

The Yankees are incompetent lol.

Quite frankly their WS run was the easiest path in what, 20 years?

They would have lost to the Dodgers, Padres, Mets, Phillies if they played in the NL.

 

[MadRU]

 

[willisneverrana43]

The Mets front office and scouting department is nothing if not working hard.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[willisneverrana43]

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Is Sako throwing a screwball on that pitch?

 

[yesrutgers01]

15 years is a very long time...he is 41 when the contract ends. What are the options on the opt out?

Speaking as a Mets fan that saw free agent signings Bonilla and Jason Bay not work out -- not to mention the 1992/93 teams.

Historically, what are the successful Mets free agent signings?

Bay was horrific, but the funny thing is- After that first year- his first stint in NY really wasn't that bad.
Beltran was a homerun signing...Wasn't Piazza also a FA after his trade to us?

 

[Rhuarc]

Mets projected to be at 182.2 million now with Soto.

I don't think this is even close to true. Cot's has their projected payroll for luxury tax purposes to be at 248 million. This is including guesstimates for arbitration eligible players.

Still room to work with for the Mets. They can probably sign 2 more stud players if they want. The biggest question is , "will the starting rotation produce what they need?"

 

[willisneverrana43]

Bay was horrific, but the funny thing is- After that first year- his first stint in NY really wasn't that bad . . .

Are you his cousin?

 

[MadRU]

I don't think this is even close to true. Cot's has their projected payroll for luxury tax purposes to be at 248 million. This is including guesstimates for arbitration eligible players.

Still room to work with for the Mets. They can probably sign 2 more stud players if they want. The biggest question is , "will the starting rotation produce what they need?"

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/_/year/2025

 

[Doctor Worm]

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/new-york-mets/payroll/_/year/2025

Soto appears to be excluded from the $181M.

 

[RuSnp]

Are you his cousin?

Haha. Bay's 3rd season with the Mets was about as bad as it gets. Life on the line Id rather take Jacob Degrom as a hitter at any point in his career than Bay that year. And if I could take deGrom's last year with us forget it - he was basically 2.5× better than Bay that year by OPS+.

 

[gman500]

Met's do not have an opt out. Soto has an opt out after Year #5 (2029). Met's can void that opt out by increasing his annual salary to $55M per season for the remaining 10 years of his contract at that point. Would bring the total contract value to $805M if that happens. This is a very good signing for the Mets as it will bring interest and fans in the seats and Soto is at a minimum a Top 5 hitter in MLB. Downside will not come until he gets older (i.e. 7-8 years from now). The watch out will be if this impacts other signings as the Mets likely need further pitching depth as well as to decide on resigning/replacing Alonso. With Soto they are at about $200M in salary before filling any other holes and settling arbitration players.

To put into context…… 7-8 years from now, Soto will be 32-33. Aaron Judge will be 33 in April. Gerrit Cole is 34….

 

[MadRU]

Soto appears to be excluded from the $181M.

Yeah, I missed that in the original Bleacher Report article. Add 51 to that.

 

[Rhuarc]

Yeah, I missed that in the original Bleacher Report article. Add 51 to that.

Use Cot's contracts for all baseball related cap salary questions. These spreadsheets are updated pretty darn quickly.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Yeah, I missed that in the original Bleacher Report article. Add 51 to that.

For luxury tax computation purposes, your statement is correct.

For cash flow purposes, you have to add about 120. The first $75M of Soto's $765M is in the form of an immediate upfront bonus. His annual salary is more like $45M.

That said, I doubt that cash flow is a major concern of Steve Cohen.

 

[MadRU]

Mets in talks with Jonathan Loáisiga

 

[yesrutgers01]

Are you his cousin?

I’m thinking- WTF are you talking about until I looked back. lol Bay- complete disaster Bonilla was who I meant to reference. My bad completely

 

[AntiG]

Stearns said publicly that he wants Alonso back and there are ongoing communications with Manaea. Buehler Burnes Fried are all still in play as well

 

[Rutgers NJ]

NSFW BUT HILARIOUS. Well, they seem to be handling it pretty well.

 

[Rutgers NJ]

Met's do not have an opt out. Soto has an opt out after Year #5 (2029). Met's can void that opt out by increasing his annual salary to $55M per season for the remaining 10 years of his contract at that point. Would bring the total contract value to $805M if that happens. This is a very good signing for the Mets as it will bring interest and fans in the seats and Soto is at a minimum a Top 5 hitter in MLB. Downside will not come until he gets older (i.e. 7-8 years from now). The watch out will be if this impacts other signings as the Mets likely need further pitching depth as well as to decide on resigning/replacing Alonso. With Soto they are at about $200M in salary before filling any other holes and settling arbitration players.

Well said, I mostly agree but I think a part of Stearns wanted to build this team without a money hungry gun for hire. It'll take away credit for him building a winner. With that said, it's nice to see a high percentage of Yankees fans melting down over being considered "the little brother" in NYC for the foreseeable future. That, there's no doubt.

 

[MadRU]

Some guy named Mike Rodriquez is saying according to his sources Jonathan Loáisiga is about to sign a 3 year 27 million deal with the Mets.

I don’t know who he is, so not taking it too seriously for now. Waiting for the more reliable sources to weigh in.

 

[RUInsanity]

To put into context…… 7-8 years from now, Soto will be 32-33. Aaron Judge will be 33 in April. Gerrit Cole is 34….

As I said, this was an excellent deal for the Mets and they will enjoy years of production. In 7 years Soto will turn 33 during that season. He will likely be a DH at that point - to me that represents somewhat of the downside of what will be a $55M annual salary.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Some guy named Mike Rodriquez is saying according to his sources Jonathan Loáisiga is about to sign a 3 year 27 million deal with the Mets.

I don’t know who he is, so not taking it too seriously for now. Waiting for the more reliable sources to weigh in.

He is the guy who weeks ago had reported that the Mets had offered Willy Adames. None of us believed it.

 

[AntiG]

Mets and Yankees both "aggressively" trying to trade for Crochet

 

[Tango Two]

 

[knightinaz]

Fried to Yanks 8/$218MM

 

[yesrutgers01]

Allowed? No

It is his right to do so and I’m confident he did vote for himself.

Why would you wonder about that?

But let’s show his hand filled with WS rings…😀