OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread

[yesrutgers01]

Pete may not possess multiple skills, but he does something the Mets don't have and need if Cohen wants to remake the image of the organization. One, he is a home grown star and carried the team at times. Now, we ready to kick him to the curb? Two, someone who wants to be here and thrives in the belly of the beast known as NYC. Pete is good enough not to take away from the team. Pete isn't the '86 version of George Foster on his last leg.


Pump the brakes on Peterson. He may be a more consistent pitcher than Castillo right now. And let's not drain the minor leagues for a pitcher Castillo who is not an ace. How about the Mets move Marte?

Castillo is very good and has been consistent, so he would always be a good get. But a $5 mil Peterson vs a $25 mil Castillo and half the minor leagues would be crazy. Agree with you that the trade suggested makes no sense at all.

As for Marte- I do think that either Marte or McNeil have to go this year. McNeil may have the most value out of the two. Not sure what you could get for Marte.
BTW- the team that McNeil would fit in perfect with would be the Yankees. And I actually mean that in seriousness.

 

[AntiG]

he has a big contract- not sure how that is under control. Heck- we have JS under control for the next 15 lol

24 million a year for a #1/2 starter when Soto just got 80 million a year is a reasonable contract given how much contracts have inflated throughout sports...

 

[Doctor Worm]

Just for fun, here's my projected 26 man Opening Day roster as of right now. Four pieces added, including one mega-piece. Some work left to do:

STARTING PITCHING (5)
Senga
Holmes
Montas
Peterson
Blackburn or Megill
(NOTE: Blackburn may not yet be available by Opening Day)

RELIEF PITCHING (8)
Diaz
Garrett
Nunez
Brazoban
Butto
Reid-Foley
Two more guys among a bunch of possibles.

POSITION PLAYERS, EXCLUDING DH (8)
Vientos 1B
McNeil 2B
Lindor SS
Baty or Mauricio 3B
Nimmo LF
Taylor CF
Soto RF

BENCH, INCLUDING DH (5)
Torrens
Marte
Siri
Acuna
Baty or Mauricio

 

[Doctor Worm]

24 million a year for a #1/2 starter when Soto just got 80 million a year is a reasonable contract given how much contracts have inflated throughout sports...

80 million a year? Contracts haven't inflated that much.

 

[yesrutgers01]

24 million a year for a #1/2 starter when Soto just got 80 million a year is a reasonable contract given how much contracts have inflated throughout sports...

WTF are you talking about? $80 mil a year.

And yes, 24/25mil for Castillo isn't crazy. But you don't give up a $5 mil starter and half your farm for him. I would rather just drop the 20+ for Manaea, 5 on Peterson and keep the farm.
Keep in mind that the talk of Castilla came in the same post that has us signing Burnes and Pete...

 

[AntiG]

80 million a year? Contracts haven't inflated that much.

lol my bad, at the time of posting it popped into my head as 10 years. 15 years still comes out to 53 million AAV once we opt into keeping him after 5 years.

 

[AntiG]

WTF are you talking about? $80 mil a year.

And yes, 24/25mil for Castillo isn't crazy. But you don't give up a $5 mil starter and half your farm for him. I would rather just drop the 20+ for Manaea, 5 on Peterson and keep the farm.
Keep in mind that the talk of Castilla came in the same post that has us signing Burnes and Pete...

yeah the 80 mil a year thing was a brainfart as said above. 53 million, same thing, money in sports is inflating big time.

5 mil a year 7th starter, 2 higher rated prospects, 1 medium rated prospect, for a 24 mil a year #1/2 starter on a 4 year contract during the second half of his prime age and whatever else would be worked out is pretty fair. You're not giving away Acuna, Mauricio, Vientos, Sproat, Clifford, Gilbert, Tidwell, Tong, Scott, or Hamel who I look at as the core of the next few years once certain players age out. If too much, then swap out or remove one of Baty/Williams, but it'd probably make it difficult to outbid the Red Sox or Cubs.

Adding Burnes & Sasaki in FA, trading for Castillo to add to Senga, Montas, Blackburn, Holmes gives us a potentially dominant rotation, maybe best in the majors.

 

[MadRU]

 

[yesrutgers01]

yeah the 80 mil a year thing was a brainfart as said above. 53 million, same thing, money in sports is inflating big time.

5 mil a year 7th starter, 2 higher rated prospects, 1 medium rated prospect, for a 24 mil a year #1/2 starter on a 4 year contract during the second half of his prime age and whatever else would be worked out is pretty fair. You're not giving away Acuna, Mauricio, Vientos, Sproat, Clifford, Gilbert, Tidwell, Tong, Scott, or Hamel who I look at as the core of the next few years once certain players age out. If too much, then swap out or remove one of Baty/Williams, but it'd probably make it difficult to outbid the Red Sox or Cubs.

Adding Burnes & Sasaki in FA, trading for Castillo to add to Senga, Montas, Blackburn, Holmes gives us a potentially dominant rotation, maybe best in the majors.

I believe Peterson has made a jump out of the 7th starter role- and that would be for almost any team in MLB. Fair to call him a number 4 but to say a number 7...then you slept through last year

 

[Rhuarc]

You guys REALLY need a stud starting pitcher. That rotation is way too reliant on "potential".

 

[cubuffsdoug]

You guys REALLY need a stud starting pitcher. That rotation is way too reliant on "potential".

Potential is how Milwaukee operated, but doesn't cut here. The pitching lab is great, but without a true ace, winning all is still just a dream.

 

[Rhuarc]

Potential is how Milwaukee operated, but doesn't cut here. The pitching lab is great, but without a true ace, winning all is still just a dream.

100 percent. With Cohen's money and a fresh new toy in Soto, there's no reason the Mets shouldn't have a guy like Burnes headlining the rotation in 2025.

 

[Zak57]

Because you don't hand big money over to everyone if you don't think they're a sound investment. Stearns has it covered were he has a specific price on each player. If Burnes is at that number maybe we'll get him. If not he'll do what he can to put the best rotation together for now and maybe make a move later in year.

Oh and don't forget who was in charge in the development of Burnes from mid prospect to ace.

 

[yesrutgers01]

For me- Get me either Burnes or bring back Manaea and beat out the Dodgers for the Japanese kid, get Pete and fill out the rest of the BP and depth pieces. I’ll go to battle with that.

 

[Zak57]

For me- Get me either Burnes or bring back Manaea and beat out the Dodgers for the Japanese kid, get Pete and fill out the rest of the BP and depth pieces. I’ll go to battle with that.

How about going to war with Griffin Canning?

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Because you don't hand big money over to everyone if you don't think they're a sound investment. Stearns has it covered were he has a specific price on each player. If Burnes is at that number maybe we'll get him. If not he'll do what he can to put the best rotation together for now and maybe make a move later in year.

Oh and don't forget who was in charge in the development of Burnes from mid prospect to ace.

So 2025 is the year the Mets punt the season. Cool, they are gearing up for 2026, which is World Series or Bust. 😉

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[cubuffsdoug]

The pitching lab can't fix everyone.

 

[yesrutgers01]

The pitching lab can't fix everyone.

It’s funny- I keep hearing many places talking about the lab and how it did such amazing things with young pitchers as well as the older guys on the downswing…but
One thing that stood out to me last year…for years, our pitchers were always top 5 or so with K’s and usually in that same range of least BB’sgiven up.
Last year, our staff was one of the worst in giving up BB’s. And usually a big reason behind our many losses.

 

[colbert17]

Yes, when Soto was a Padre, myself and all other SD fans laughed when he won a gold glove.

Ask @colbert17 what his thoughts were on Soto. He wanted us to move him ASAP. I actually wanted us to hang onto him for his contract year, but absolutely never would have wanted him for 765.

I don’t want to speak for Colbert, but he made several comments about his HRs coming during meaningless ABs IIRC.

The coolest thing about Soto as a Padre was that it signified the franchise actually was going for it. So tip your hat to the Mets org for that for sure.

Looking back on everything:

1. I would have wanted the Soto/Nats trade to happen again. Sucks we lost Abrams and Wood, but there wasn’t a roster spot for those guys anyways. (Merrill and Tatis/X/Kim).

2. I think the Padres won the trade with the Yankees. Higgy was great for us at a position of need, moved on from Grish, King was legit as well).

3. No way in hell we were giving him 700+ so wouldn’t have been here long term anyways.

Plus now that all the dust has settled, Tatis was not Tatis with Soto around. He just wasn’t. The second Soto left, Tatis became the premier young superstar for the team and I think that helped Nando quite a bit.

If the Pods can sign King to a long contract this is a Padre win.Don't forget that the key guy the Yankees gave up, Drew Thorpe, was one of the players they used to get Dylan Cease.

 

[Rhuarc]

If the Pods can sign King to a long contract this is a Padre win.Don't forget that the key guy the Yankees gave up, Drew Thorpe, was one of the players they used to get Dylan Cease.

Because the Yankees didn't win the World Series with Soto, you have to say the Padres won the deal. It would have been worth it for a championship.

 

[Zak57]

The pitching lab can't fix everyone.

Totally agree. I think that's why you see them bringing in more than one of these types though so they can churn through hoping to hit when they correct some things. The Cohen money plays at not just the high end but when you can throw and extra million or two at the lower levels. The Dodgers were big on this bringing in a lot of bats and they hit on some like Max Muncy, Justin Turner, Chris Taylor and so on.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Totally agree. I think that's why you see them bringing in more than one of these types though so they can churn through hoping to hit when they correct some things. The Cohen money plays at not just the high end but when you can throw and extra million or two at the lower levels. The Dodgers were big on this bringing in a lot of bats and they hit on some like Max Muncy, Justin Turner, Chris Taylor and so on.

Agree. Cohen money allows you to take a flyer on guys like this. If he doesn't work out, you cut him and eat the $5M. Whereas for other teams, this contract would represent a commitment.

 

[cubuffsdoug]

Totally agree. I think that's why you see them bringing in more than one of these types though so they can churn through hoping to hit when they correct some things. The Cohen money plays at not just the high end but when you can throw and extra million or two at the lower levels. The Dodgers were big on this bringing in a lot of bats and they hit on some like Max Muncy, Justin Turner, Chris Taylor and so on.

I agree with what you're saying, but there is two sure things out there in Burnes and Mansea. Stearns had a front row seat to both and knows what they can do. Grab at least one of them to ensure there's less of a chance the pitching staff is worse

 

[Zak57]

I agree with what you're saying, but there is two sure things out there in Burnes and Mansea. Stearns had a front row seat to both and knows what they can do. Grab at least one of them to ensure there's less of a chance the pitching staff is worse

I agree they still need a higher end SP. I think a Manaea return is more likely than Burnes. There is a lot of noise Burnes could see be declining and sees further regression unless he changes thing up.

As a philosophy in general not giving up big money and a lot of years to SP makes sense unless they are truly a top top guy. Not sure if Burnes fits that mold at this point but we'll see.

 

[Rhuarc]

I agree they still need a higher end SP. I think a Manaea return is more likely than Burnes. There is a lot of noise Burnes could see be declining and sees further regression unless he changes thing up.

As a philosophy in general not giving up big money and a lot of years to SP makes sense unless they are truly a top top guy. Not sure if Burnes fits that mold at this point but we'll see.

The window to maximize Soto's performance starts now. Yes he's young, but you can't assume he will always be the player he is. If the Mets don't take a chance on some kind of high level pitcher, I think they're wasting opportunity.

 

[MadRU]

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

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A lot of teams are meeting with him.

 

[MadRU]

Christian Walker signed with Astros. One less first baseman available.

 

[Zak57]

Christian Walker signed with Astros. One less first baseman available.

3 years $60 million. I see Pete wanting 5 or 6 years now based on age. I offer 5 years $120-$125 and hope he accepts. Can offer some kind of vesting option for a 6th or something.

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

Christian Walker signed with Astros. One less first baseman available.

I wonder if that means Yankees will pivot to Alonso.

 

[MadRU]

 

[Zak57]

I wonder if that means Yankees will pivot to Alonso.

No being reported they want to go cheaper there now.

 

[MadRU]

 

[yesrutgers01]

Christian Walker signed with Astros. One less first baseman available.

Houston was one of the teams also looking at Pete. But sort of shows where Pete's market is going. Alonso is a much better hitter but Walker a much better fielder. I'm seeing Pete and Boras shaking their heads right now as Pete may have lost himself $50-60 mil. IF I'm the Met's I may go 5 years at $110 to keep him home.

 

[RUSCFORMERLYRULOU]

Houston was one of the teams also looking at Pete. But sort of shows where Pete's market is going. Alonso is a much better hitter but Walker a much better fielder. I'm seeing Pete and Boras shaking their heads right now as Pete may have lost himself $50-60 mil. IF I'm the Met's I may go 5 years at $110 to keep him home.

Boras isn’t the right agent for everyone.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Boras isn’t the right agent for everyone.

Well- he has sucked now for a couple of years

 

[Zak57]

Well- he has sucked now for a couple of years

Got the biggest contract ever and he sucks? Some of guys are harsh.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Got the biggest contract ever and he sucks? Some of guys are harsh.

do you really think other agents couldn't have with Soto?

I do not think many of his big name clients were all that happy last year.

 

[Doctor Worm]

do you really think other agents couldn't have with Soto?

I do not think many of his big name clients were all that happy last year.

One of them, Blake Snell, is very happy now.