OT: New York Mets 2024-2025 Off Season Thread
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Don't affect us. I know I would like more punch from the left but Conforto sure ain't it.
I don't want Soto, he's a lazy hot dog, I don't care what he hits. At age 26, I can't imagine how little he'll give in the field at 30. No thank you the Yankees can have him.
Listening to WFAN last night and a good part of today was fascinating. Yankee rehab with some very observant and some extremely delusional. Both were entertaining with many really thinking winning the World Series is a right of passage. Again, I trust Stearns to mold this team with the right combination of players something it seems the other NY team is crying all day about. I heard the Mets already met with Soto today from a friend who works at ESPN. Again, I don't want him.
One Mets podcast said, they can sign Soto (AVV of $50 million, 10 years), Pete, Burnes, and Manaea based on the money coming off the books without worrying about the Cohen tax. The Mets will need to be creative like the Dodgers to get around that.
if they can do those guys and be under the Cohen tax and just makes a couple of moves similar to what they did this year- it would be a HR
That is probably true. But just to clarify, the "Cohen tax" is the fourth (highest) luxury tax tier. For 2025 there are four luxury tax tiers: $241M, $261M, $281M, and $301M. I am not sure what the Cohen/Stearns budgetary target is, or if there even is one.
By "creative", I assume you mean deferrals? While that certainly helps cashflow, it does not help with luxury tax. Luxury tax for deferred contracts is based on present value. For instance, the present value of Ohtani's 10 year $700M deferred contract is $460M. So for luxury tax purposes, the charge is $46M per year.
No thanks to Burnes. Say no to big money and years for aging declining SPs.
Walker Buehler is an interesting option.
One way or another I would really like an ace.
One way or another I would really like an ace.
Buehler is interesting. He's probably going to have the QO attached so not sure we'll go after any of those types besides Soto.
How is he declining when he just pitched to an era under 3.00? Now if yours predicting a decline is coming that may be as it tends to happen to every athlete. But he certainly seems to still be in his prime.
K rates are falling and batters are barrelling him up more with better EV. I'm not saying he won't have a good year or two but overall the length of the contact I think we'd regret it.
That's crazy. He's an absolute elite hitter. Not every player has to be perfect.
Who's staying? Who's going? Our Mets offseason predictions for the 2025 roster
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Does Pete Alonso stay with the New York Mets? Here are our 2025 roster predictions for the offseason.
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Mets make another signing, this one ‘somewhat surprising’
The Mets are working hard to improve the bullpen.
Keith Law of the Athletic (paywall) ranked his Top 50 free agents. FWIW, he had Alonso at #15 - behind Michael Freakin' Wacha, among others!
Here is an excerpt of Law's comments:
"Slow position players who are poor defenders and rely on power for most of their value tend to age more poorly than other categories of position players, and Alonso might be the ne plus ultra of such players, even though he’ll only be 30 next season. He’s a 2-3 win player as is and might be half that in five years, so while he’d be great to sign on a short-term deal, even for $20-25 million, I think any longer deal is going to end up paying him for past production rather than future."
His ranking of other Met FA's:
#12 - Sean Manaea
#24 - Luis Severino
#33 - Jose Quintana
#47 - Jose Iglesias
Here is an excerpt of Law's comments:
"Slow position players who are poor defenders and rely on power for most of their value tend to age more poorly than other categories of position players, and Alonso might be the ne plus ultra of such players, even though he’ll only be 30 next season. He’s a 2-3 win player as is and might be half that in five years, so while he’d be great to sign on a short-term deal, even for $20-25 million, I think any longer deal is going to end up paying him for past production rather than future."
His ranking of other Met FA's:
#12 - Sean Manaea
#24 - Luis Severino
#33 - Jose Quintana
#47 - Jose Iglesias
You might be right after all. The meltdown,cross town would be entertaining.
I agree whole heartedly. With his past 2 years, there shouldn't be a single GM who would give Alonso 5 years $25+ million per year. If his power numbers dip, he would become useless (henceforth my previous comparison to Chris Davis). Stearns is smart enough to know that. My guess is that the Mets offer Soto 10 years $400-450 million with deferred money to make it closer to $600 million and offer Pete 2 years $40-50 million.
Somebody is going to offer Alonso five years. Whether it will be at an AAV acceptable to Boras and him, I cannot say. He may accept a shorter deal at a higher AAV. But somebody's going to offer him five.
There are plenty of other fish in the sea. Could sign Alex Bregman and move Vientos to first. Could sign Willy Adames, move him to third, and Vientos to first. Could sign Christian Walker to a short term deal to play first. And who knows who might be available in the trade market.
Here's is NBC's ranking of the Top 111 Free Agents (Why 111? No idea.) They also project their signing years/dollars.
Here are the Met FA's:
#8 - Pete Alonso - 5/$125M
#15 - Sean Manaea - 3/$66M
#19 - Luis Severino - 2/$40M
#39 - Jose Quintana - 1/$13M
#59 - Jose Iglesias - 1/$8M
#63 - Jesse Winker - 1/$7.5M
#69 - JD Martinez - 1/$7M
#74 - Phil Maton - 1/$6M *
#78 - Harrison Bader - 1/$5.5M
#79 - Ryne Stanek - 1/$5.5M
#95 - Adam Ottavino - 1/$4M **
#97 - Drew Smith - 2/$6M
* Assumes Mets do not exercise Maton option,
** Ottavino may elect to retire.
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Here are the Met FA's:
#8 - Pete Alonso - 5/$125M
#15 - Sean Manaea - 3/$66M
#19 - Luis Severino - 2/$40M
#39 - Jose Quintana - 1/$13M
#59 - Jose Iglesias - 1/$8M
#63 - Jesse Winker - 1/$7.5M
#69 - JD Martinez - 1/$7M
#74 - Phil Maton - 1/$6M *
#78 - Harrison Bader - 1/$5.5M
#79 - Ryne Stanek - 1/$5.5M
#95 - Adam Ottavino - 1/$4M **
#97 - Drew Smith - 2/$6M
* Assumes Mets do not exercise Maton option,
** Ottavino may elect to retire.
Top 111 MLB Free Agents for 2024-25: Juan Soto and Corbin Burnes lead this year's class
Will Juan Soto land the biggest contract of all-time this winter? Will any pitcher get $200 million? All of our contract predictions for this winter's frenzy are here.
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Would you rather sign Alonso to a 2 year contract or trade for a guy like Guerrero who has one year until free agency and give away some of the young players? If the Mets sign Soto and trade for Guerrero, then this lineup has a completely different feel next year.
I’m not sure giving up players for a 1 year rental is tge Stearn’s way to go either
#8 for 3 years $90M, #15 for 2 years $50M, #19 for 2 years $38M, #79 for 1 year $5M. See what other pieces are out there and revisit #39, #59 & #63 if any are still around during Spring Training. A couple of nice young players I wouldn't want blocked because some veterans were paid before they had a chance to open eyes.Here's is NBC's ranking of the Top 111 Free Agents (Why 111? No idea.) They also project their signing years/dollars.
Here are the Met FA's:
#8 - Pete Alonso - 5/$125M
#15 - Sean Manaea - 3/$66M
#19 - Luis Severino - 2/$40M
#39 - Jose Quintana - 1/$13M
#59 - Jose Iglesias - 1/$8M
#63 - Jesse Winker - 1/$7.5M
#69 - JD Martinez - 1/$7M
#74 - Phil Maton - 1/$6M *
#78 - Harrison Bader - 1/$5.5M
#79 - Ryne Stanek - 1/$5.5M
#95 - Adam Ottavino - 1/$4M **
#97 - Drew Smith - 2/$6M
* Assumes Mets do not exercise Maton option,
** Ottavino may elect to retire.
Top 111 MLB Free Agents for 2024-25: Juan Soto and Corbin Burnes lead this year's class
Will Juan Soto land the biggest contract of all-time this winter? Will any pitcher get $200 million? All of our contract predictions for this winter's frenzy are here.
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