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OT: NJ legal weed vote canceled

I know you keep ignoring the question from everyone but what is the difference between pot and alcohol? Why should one be legal and not the other?

This debate always reminds me of something I read on page 4 of Ronald Reagan's published diary ("The Reagan Diaries."). A movie buff, he and Nancy watched a lot of them when work was done in the White House. He loved "Nine to Five," but apparently there's a scene where the three heroines smoke some grass. His comment about the scene is "Funny--but one scene made me mad. A truly funny scene if the 3 gals had played getting drunk but no they had to get stoned on pot."

The man had some good qualities, but I doubt if he could give anybody a rational, logical reason why getting drunk is better than getting "stoned on pot"

Personally I prefer alcohol and have only had a single puff of pot in my life. but in my view, neither is better or less dangerous than the other. Lots of people have ruined their lives and/or killed themselves or others by abusing them. And lots of people are capable of using them in moderation for enjoyment or whatever...
 
"Every minor has a 21 year old friend"?

That's a fallacious statement, right off the bat. Neither one of my girls had "21 year old friends" when they were, say, 18 or so. They hung out with their peers.

I feel like you're not a worthwhile debate participant. You seem to make bizarre, unsupported generalizations. Also, your spelling is for shit. For the love of God, man, it's *you're*, not "your".
Ok my man i could give 2, to, too, two shits how my spelling comes across on my phone. You are M. O. R. O N

How was that
 
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They won't answer because they can't answer. Alcohol is worse in every way imaginable

I have never used marijuana; I have drank alcohol. That being said, I agree strongly with what you said. One of my friends on social media is vehemently against this and was agreeing with someone who made a comment about ‘see how you feel when someone who is high gets behind the wheel and plows into your family’, and 2-3 people replied, ‘what about drunk drivers? Shouldn’t you outlaw alcohol too?’ Literately no response from either of them.


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I have never used marijuana; I have drank alcohol. That being said, I agree strongly with what you said. One of my friends on social media is vehemently against this and was agreeing with someone who made a comment about ‘see how you feel when someone who is high gets behind the wheel and plows into your family’, and 2-3 people replied, ‘what about drunk drivers? Shouldn’t you outlaw alcohol too?’ Literately no response from either of them.


Joe P.
My issue is not with alcohol my issue is with making a drug that is legal which is why i have not commented on alcohol. Tell you what maybe you will be ok with your kids smoking their brains out moving onto the next drug when that high is no longer good enough. I'm not ok with that. I've been in Denver probably 15 x's since weed was legalized....Ask them how they like the increased homelessness on their tourist drag 16th st....or how 2 kids are outside convention center so stoned up they could not move and had this stupid blank ass stare with no concept where they were or what they were doing. Maybe if that happens to your kids you wont be so enthralled with legalized weed.

If you think for a second it us only calming or gives you the munchies you are in for a sad wakeup call
 
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if you oppose marijuana and use how people act when they're high, you have a perfect right to look down on it that way.
You better talk about how drunks are as well.
As for moving on to hard drugs from marijuana use.
Moving on to marijuana from booze could fit that scenario.
So alcohol is just as bad, only legal.

So any holier than thorough attitude about marijuana js just hypocritical talk if you don't condemn alcohol use as well.

  • In 2016, 10,497 people died in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for 28% of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.1
  • Of the 1,233 traffic deaths among children ages 0 to 14 years in 2016, 214 (17%) involved an alcohol-impaired driver.
According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 37,133 people died in traffic crashes in 2017 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,874 people who were killed in drunk driving crashes

I'm not against alcohol, nor a proponent for marijuana use , I just think it's idiotic to claim marijuana is the root of all evil , without leaving a special place for drunks who get high the legal way.
 
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I was replying to another post. If you think that removing alcohol from a casino should take precedence over people getting high while driving then I guess we will never agree.
I clearly wasn't making that case at all. I said absolutely nothing that would lead you to believe that. We probably will never agree because you are making up an argument. But if you don't think marijuana is safer than alcohol, its not a matter of agreeing, you are just demonstrably incorrect.
 
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My issue is not with alcohol my issue is with making a drug that is legal which is why i have not commented on alcohol. Tell you what maybe you will be ok with your kids smoking their brains out moving onto the next drug when that high is no longer good enough. I'm not ok with that. I've been in Denver probably 15 x's since weed was legalized....Ask them how they like the increased homelessness on their tourist drag 16th st....or how 2 kids are outside convention center so stoned up they could not move and had this stupid blank ass stare with no concept where they were or what they were doing. Maybe if that happens to your kids you wont be so enthralled with legalized weed.

If you think for a second it us only calming or gives you the munchies you are in for a sad wakeup call

So now pot causes homelessness? OK. And wow, 2 kids were stoned? Better call in the riot police, there are 2 kids that were stoned. Try going to Sea Isle City on a Saturday in the summer, tell me how many kids are drunk and stumbling down the street, vomiting on the curbs at 2AM and tell me pot is the gateway to worse behavior.
 
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My issue is not with alcohol my issue is with making a drug that is legal which is why i have not commented on alcohol. Tell you what maybe you will be ok with your kids smoking their brains out moving onto the next drug when that high is no longer good enough. I'm not ok with that. I've been in Denver probably 15 x's since weed was legalized....Ask them how they like the increased homelessness on their tourist drag 16th st....or how 2 kids are outside convention center so stoned up they could not move and had this stupid blank ass stare with no concept where they were or what they were doing. Maybe if that happens to your kids you wont be so enthralled with legalized weed.

If you think for a second it us only calming or gives you the munchies you are in for a sad wakeup call

I’m against kids using/abusing drugs PERIOD; that includes marijuana (legal or illegal). You still haven’t answered the question; a lot of the points you talked about apply directly to alcohol. Why should alcohol be legal? Prom season is coming up in 2-3 months. “MDW” (never used that acronym even when I was a teenager/ in my early 20’s) is 2 months away. Every year a number of HS kids will basically try to ruin their lives (and potentially take others down with them) with alcohol in places like Seaside Heights. Why should alcohol be legal?


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Every minor has a 21 yr old friend...i cant believe im actually arguing with people over keeping drugs illegal where they should be

Shows you how completely STUPID this society has become. If there was nothing in this financially for these states there is no way in hell they would even consider

All they want is a piece of the drug dealer trade. And yes i have quite a few friends that made the leap from weed to hardcore drugs
Is that what regulation of an industry is to you? Just a way for the government to make money? Why can’t that god damned gubmint just let the chemical companies dump their waste into people’s back yards? The gubmint just want a piece of Johns Manville and DuPont’s money, that’s why! How about the police departments, sheriffs departments and prison systems that waste $154 MILLION in NJ every year fighting this war on a flower? Doesn’t that waste piss you off? It should.

Maybe, just maybe, people understand that $153 million should not be wasted to prevent people from using a mild analgesic with no addictive properties and no horrible side effects. Maybe people in modern society are critically evaluating the claims of former Prohibitionist turned DEA chief Harry Anslinger, who testified before Congress in 1937 that a side effect of cannabis was “white women craving the touch of (black) men” (I left out the racist term used in the testimony).

Every single side effect of cannabis use has been debunked. We’re down to insurance rates will surge and blood will flow from the streets when otherwise law abiding people decide to suddenly break laws now that an anachronistic one is removed. Personally I’m glad for the pioneers who have looked beyond 1930s racist bullsheet science, because I have seen the flower help so many people with everything from end of life treatments to stress. Everyone here can give endless testimony of how alcohol has torn families apart and created demons.
 
Pretty much retarded.

I'm gonna suggest that your kid's biggest challenge isn't the availability of drugs in the 8th grade, but rather being raised by an idiot.

Food for thought.
You kust be looking in the mirror
 
Is that what regulation of an industry is to you? Just a way for the government to make money? Why can’t that god damned gubmint just let the chemical companies dump their waste into people’s back yards? The gubmint just want a piece of Johns Manville and DuPont’s money, that’s why! How about the police departments, sheriffs departments and prison systems that waste $154 MILLION in NJ every year fighting this war on a flower? Doesn’t that waste piss you off? It should.

Maybe, just maybe, people understand that $153 million should not be wasted to prevent people from using a mild analgesic with no addictive properties and no horrible side effects. Maybe people in modern society are critically evaluating the claims of former Prohibitionist turned DEA chief Harry Anslinger, who testified before Congress in 1937 that a side effect of cannabis was “white women craving the touch of (black) men” (I left out the racist term used in the testimony).

Every single side effect of cannabis use has been debunked. We’re down to insurance rates will surge and blood will flow from the streets when otherwise law abiding people decide to suddenly break laws now that an anachronistic one is removed. Personally I’m glad for the pioneers who have looked beyond 1930s racist bullsheet science, because I have seen the flower help so many people with everything from end of life treatments to stress. Everyone here can give endless testimony of how alcohol has torn families apart and created demons.
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My issue is not with alcohol my issue is with making a drug that is legal which is why i have not commented on alcohol. Tell you what maybe you will be ok with your kids smoking their brains out moving onto the next drug when that high is no longer good enough. I'm not ok with that. I've been in Denver probably 15 x's since weed was legalized....Ask them how they like the increased homelessness on their tourist drag 16th st....or how 2 kids are outside convention center so stoned up they could not move and had this stupid blank ass stare with no concept where they were or what they were doing. Maybe if that happens to your kids you wont be so enthralled with legalized weed.

If you think for a second it us only calming or gives you the munchies you are in for a sad wakeup call
Great post. Colorado is a mess and Denver is right out of a Cheech and Chong movie, weed is everywhere, the smell is everywhere and kids are using it more, because, hey it's legal so it must not be so bad. The vast majority of public health and safety officials are against this. Decriminalize it, fine. Expand medical uses, fine. But sorry, that's it, keep recreational use behind closed doors and out of our public spaces.
 
Also, some info on the stupidity of the process and Trenton in general. From Senator Kip Bateman (one of the R's what was on the fence):

Senator Kip Bateman (R-16) issued the following statement after votes were cancelled in the Senate and General Assembly on legislation to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in New Jersey:

“The decision by legislative leaders to cancel today’s planned votes on marijuana legalization is reflective of the significant concerns that exist among both Republicans and Democrats with current proposals.

“As a parent, I’m concerned about the impact that increased access to marijuana would have on our youth. As a legislator and prosecutor, I have unanswered questions about enforcement costs and our ability to keep our roads safe from impaired drivers.

“I truly believe there is bipartisan support for significant marijuana reforms, including the expansion of our medical marijuana program and decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana. Unfortunately, we were presented an all or nothing proposition on some poorly structured bills, which doomed the potential for achieving significant marijuana reform from the start.”
 
Great post. Colorado is a mess and Denver is right out of a Cheech and Chong movie, weed is everywhere, the smell is everywhere and kids are using it more, because, hey it's legal so it must not be so bad. The vast majority of public health and safety officials are against this. Decriminalize it, fine. Expand medical uses, fine. But sorry, that's it, keep recreational use behind closed doors and out of our public spaces.

I travel all over the country and agree Denver is a mess, but it's not because of legal weed. The dirty street kids took over 16th street long before cannabis was legalized. Seattle, Portland and SF all look the same and having been moving this way for 20 yrs.

The homeless issues in the cities are hard to believe it you haven't seen it.

These problems are extensive but irrelevant to the question of allowing adults to use cannabis responsibly.
 
Also, some info on the stupidity of the process and Trenton in general. From Senator Kip Bateman (one of the R's what was on the fence):

Senator Kip Bateman (R-16) issued the following statement after votes were cancelled in the Senate and General Assembly on legislation to legalize the recreational use of marijuana in New Jersey:

“The decision by legislative leaders to cancel today’s planned votes on marijuana legalization is reflective of the significant concerns that exist among both Republicans and Democrats with current proposals.

“As a parent, I’m concerned about the impact that increased access to marijuana would have on our youth. As a legislator and prosecutor, I have unanswered questions about enforcement costs and our ability to keep our roads safe from impaired drivers.

“I truly believe there is bipartisan support for significant marijuana reforms, including the expansion of our medical marijuana program and decriminalizing the possession of small amounts of marijuana. Unfortunately, we were presented an all or nothing proposition on some poorly structured bills, which doomed the potential for achieving significant marijuana reform from the start.”

Nice post. Finally something from the anti-legalization side that goes beyond "I saw a stoned guy in Denver."

I'd still like to hear somebody explain why they are so adamant that legalization would lead to immediate doom and yet are completely ambivalent about alcohol. The horror stories they tell could apply equally to both drugs.

But this post is a good start, and I don't expect to see an answer on the alcohol in this thread...
 
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Nice post. Finally something from the anti-legalization side that goes beyond "I saw a stoned guy in Denver."

I'd still like to hear somebody explain why they are so adamant that legalization would lead to immediate doom and yet are completely ambivalent about alcohol. The horror stories they tell could apply equally to both drugs.

But this post is a good start, and I don't expect to see an answer on the alcohol in this thread...


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Joe P.
 
Nice post. Finally something from the anti-legalization side that goes beyond "I saw a stoned guy in Denver."

I'd still like to hear somebody explain why they are so adamant that legalization would lead to immediate doom and yet are completely ambivalent about alcohol. The horror stories they tell could apply equally to both drugs.

But this post is a good start, and I don't expect to see an answer on the alcohol in this thread...
The alcohol argument is weak. First, just because something is "bad" in society that doesn't justify adding more "bad" things. That's asinine logic. As for alcohol itself, most people drink not to get drunk, it enhances the flavor of food and a good meal, etc. From what I know of weed, the only rationale for using is to get high. The public safety issue is huge in my mind. The police not only need a court order to get blood drawn, but 2 cops need to bring a high driver to the ER taking manpower off the streets and requiring more officers to be on duty (i.e., your local taxes are going up). Our local health director gave a powerful presentation about the dangers of weed and legalization to our kids and the developing mind. Sorry, but no thanks.

The money aspect is a joke, it's a rounding error that will be pissed away in Trenton before the money is even collected. The social justice stuff can be accomplished via decriminalization of small amounts of weed. Expand medical use and we are good to do. However, the recreational pot heads stay behind closed doors.
 
First, just because something is "bad" in society that doesn't justify adding more "bad" things. That's asinine logic.

Strong point in my opinion.

The public safety issue is huge in my mind. The police not only need a court order to get blood drawn, but 2 cops need to bring a high driver to the ER taking manpower off the streets and requiring more officers to be on duty (i.e., your local taxes are going up).

Another strong point, in my opinion, assuming this is true (and I have no reason to doubt it).

As for alcohol itself, most people drink not to get drunk, it enhances the flavor of food and a good meal, etc. From what I know of weed, the only rationale for using is to get high.

Here, I think you're slipping. I know people who drink to excess for the express purpose of getting drunk (I suspect you do too) and cause a lot problems in doing so. You're brushing that away anecdotally, claiming that most drinkers are merely having a bottle of beer to make their steak taste better.

As for pot, I personally know many people who use it for reasons other than getting high (also an anecdotal argument).

Respectfully, I think you're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to see drinking in a positive light and pot in a negative light, without truly examining the question.

I'm not a so-called "pothead." As I've said before, I never smoked anything because as a wrestler I wasn't going to do anything that would affect my "air." But I try to look at things as logically as possible.
 
Strong point in my opinion.



Another strong point, in my opinion, assuming this is true (and I have no reason to doubt it).



Here, I think you're slipping. I know people who drink to excess for the express purpose of getting drunk (I suspect you do too) and cause a lot problems in doing so. You're brushing that away anecdotally, claiming that most drinkers are merely having a bottle of beer to make their steak taste better.

As for pot, I personally know many people who use it for reasons other than getting high (also an anecdotal argument).

Respectfully, I think you're doing a lot of mental gymnastics to see drinking in a positive light and pot in a negative light, without truly examining the question.

I'm not a so-called "pothead." As I've said before, I never smoked anything because as a wrestler I wasn't going to do anything that would affect my "air." But I try to look at things as logically as possible.

Good post. Calling the alcohol argument “weak” while saying something like ‘it helps enhance the flavor of food’ is really head-scratching, especially with all of the empirical data backing up the dangers of alcohol use/ abuse/ dependency, binge drinking, etc. The mental gymnastics being done to avoid calling it for what it is would be a gold medal candidate at the next Olympics.

All of the dangers of drug use on a developing brain (anyone under 25) directly apply to alcohol as well, and I’m guessing alcohol is much more widely available to underage kids...but there seems to be this ‘wink-wink, nudge-nudge’ attitude with it that I just don’t get.


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I've tried everything from boiling bananas and drinking the tea, melatonin, meditation and soothing music to Belsomra and other really strong sleeping pills. Nothing works... This is my last resort. Thank you though, I know CBD works wonders for some.
Allow me to reiterate my offer to read you to sleep. I have had many years of experience and know all the right books. I can provide references. :)
 
Allow me to reiterate my offer to read you to sleep. I have had many years of experience and know all the right books. I can provide references. :)

Probably too subtle. You might want to try "I have a Porsche".
 
I don't expect to see an answer on the alcohol in this thread...

I don't support legalization of marijuana. However I think that eventual legalization is inevitable, so I actually applaud New Jersey's legislative effort to implement legalization in a managed fashion, versus the legalization via referendum we've seen in other states.

The question of potheads vs alcoholics isn't a real issue in my mind. I understand that alcohol is legal is most people drink responsibly, but some abuse it. I expect that if pot is legal, the same would happen; most people would use pot responsibly, but some will abuse it. As T2K notes, adding to the problem, adding potheads on top of alcoholics, is not desirable. But I don't agree that is sufficient reason alone to not legalize marijuana, especially if abusers are the extreme minority, as we see with alcohol.

But I have other concerns with legalization of marijuana:
  1. There is no test for impairment, similar to a breath test or blood test for alcohol, that can be easily used to keep impaired drivers off the road.
  2. Marijuana smoke stinks. This is a personal peeve of mine, but still one of my reasons for objecting to marijuana use. With limitations on where people can smoke tobacco, I find myself more sensitive to the smell of cigarette smoke (and also the smell of vaping), which occurs in public outdoor spaces. I hate having to walk through a cloud of smoke to enter a building, or smell smoke when sitting in a park, on the beach, or tailgating. Marijuana smoke would only exacerbate an already bad situation.
  3. There are limited scientific studies on the long-term effects of marijuana use or even short-term effects. Without scientific evidence, we don't know if we are creating a public health crisis. We spend a lot of money to discourage people from smoking cigarettes because of the public health costs. It seems counter-intuitive to now legalize smoking of another substance.

But, since I think that legalization of marijuana is eventually inevitable, I think these concerns need to be addressed.

For concern 1, revenue from marijuana taxes could be used to fund development of a field test. In the meanwhile, the law can be written to assume impairment on the presence of marijuana use under existing testing methods. (Note that alcohol tests don't actually test impairment; the law assume impairment based on presence of alcohol above certain levels). Here the law can be written, for example, if someone shows certain signs of impairment and a urine test shows marijuana use, then they are assumed to be driving under the influence of marijuana. Yes, this may snag people who smoked 3 days prior and claim they are no longer under the influence of marijuana, but they would also be showing signs of impairment, so they should be taken off the road. Once a reliable field test is available, the law can be rewritten.

For concern 2, the proposed bill already limits smoking in public places. I haven't looked at the details of the bill, but it might need to be tightened. (I also wouldn't mind prohibiting smoking tobacco or vaping in all public spaces as well.) Alternatively, smoking marijuana could remain illegal, while only edibles are legalized.

For concern 3, the bill could be written to allow temporary legalization of marijuana, say for three years, renewable by another 3 years. Then revenue from marijuana taxes could be used to fund some short-term studies on marijuana health issues, possibly one study on smoking and another on edibles. The results of those studies could help inform a decision on whether to let marijuana legalization expire, or continue.
 
Allow me to reiterate my offer to read you to sleep. I have had many years of experience and know all the right books. I can provide references. :)
I watched Honda Classic Golf 2015 (?)and slept a little. I'm not going to reread the whole thread, but I thank whoever suggested watching Golf!
 
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I watched Honda Classic Golf 2015 (?)and slept a little. I'm not going to reread the whole thread, but I thank whoever suggested watching Golf!
Well, okay, sure. But you've never truly slept until you've been wooed to sleep by my rendition of "Neverwhere" by Neil Gaiman. I'm just saying.

I'd offer to throw in my world-renowned cuddling while reading, but I don't want your BF to shoot me. Or worse, give me speeding tickets.
 
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Well, okay, sure. But you've never truly slept until you've been wooed to sleep by my rendition of "Neverwhere" by Neil Gaiman. I'm just saying.

I'd offer to throw in my world-renowned cuddling while reading, but I don't want your BF to shoot me. Or worse, give me speeding tickets.
No one cuddles with me when my puppy is around..The Mr. wouldn't shoot you, he'd get a search warrant to seize your beloved sheep. [roll]
 
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I watched Honda Classic Golf 2015 (?)and slept a little. I'm not going to reread the whole thread, but I thank whoever suggested watching Golf!

That's how I got started on the road to World Class Napper. Watching golf horizontally.
 
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Just jumping in without reading all of the other posts.

Anyone think that if Pot is legalized we should also legalize all drugs, Heroin? Coke? Meth?
 
You be the judge of why one should be allowed in the front door and considered socially acceptable , while the other is sneaked in through the back door and labeled harmful.
The Great Debate: Alcohol vs Marijuana - DrugAbuse.com
>So you’re probably wondering, with all of this information the question remains, alcohol or marijuana? What side are you on? Perhaps we can shift our thinking and instead of taking sides, we can all agree that both alcohol and marijuana have their risks. The overall take-home message may be if you are about to drive a car, if you are an adolescent, or you are pregnant you probably should not use either one.<
https://drugabuse.com/marijuana-vs-alcohol/
 
Just jumping in without reading all of the other posts.

Anyone think that if Pot is legalized we should also legalize all drugs, Heroin? Coke? Meth?
The quick and easy answer is no, because those other drugs are much more potentially, and immediately, dangerous to the person taking them. But some arguments could be made for legalization of all such drugs:

1. Control the production and distribution so that fewer people die because their drugs contain fentanyl or carfentanil, or other unhealthy and/or deadly substances.

2. Raise revenue via sin taxes.

3. Reduce the DEA, LEO, court and prison system costs associated with those substances being illegal.

4. Invite those people with addictions to such substances to be more willing to seek help without fear of legal complications.

5. Cut back on the profits for drug cartels, gangs, etc.
 
I travel all over the country and agree Denver is a mess, but it's not because of legal weed. The dirty street kids took over 16th street long before cannabis was legalized. Seattle, Portland and SF all look the same and having been moving this way for 20 yrs.

The homeless issues in the cities are hard to believe it you haven't seen it.

These problems are extensive but irrelevant to the question of allowing adults to use cannabis responsibly.
It quadrupled after legal weed. None of them are homeless they all gave aptmts just panning for drug money....they all have dogs that look like they just came out of a dog spa while these kids are dressed like dirtbags....one of th waitresses at out door restaurant clued me to that
 
My issue is not with alcohol my issue is with making a drug that is legal which is why i have not commented on alcohol. Tell you what maybe you will be ok with your kids smoking their brains out moving onto the next drug when that high is no longer good enough. I'm not ok with that. I've been in Denver probably 15 x's since weed was legalized....Ask them how they like the increased homelessness on their tourist drag 16th st....or how 2 kids are outside convention center so stoned up they could not move and had this stupid blank ass stare with no concept where they were or what they were doing. Maybe if that happens to your kids you wont be so enthralled with legalized weed.

If you think for a second it us only calming or gives you the munchies you are in for a sad wakeup call[/QUOTE

Weed is not good for kids. Kids still smoke while it's illegal in NJ. Hundreds of thousands of adults smoke it in NJ. It can and will be abused by some when its legalized just like now when it's illegal.

The Gateway Drug thing is a joke.

Your anti weed viewpoint is now the minority viewpoint in NJ as people realize how stupid prohibition is.
 
like this???
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So Denver has a shady/crappy area where people smoke pot? Man, never seen that type of stuff in NJ. All our cities are clean and do not have shadier parts.
 
So Denver has a shady/crappy area where people smoke pot? Man, never seen that type of stuff in NJ. All our cities are clean and do not have shadier parts.
Oh, I wasn't the one who said it! I just always giggle when I am in the city and I see posters like this one. I give a dollar to this guy for his honesty and a sandwich to the other one who I'm pretty certain is going to by crack, but his sign says he's "hungry." So yes, maybe I am a hypocrite, but I won't contribute to other bad habits.
 
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Every minor has a 21 yr old friend...i cant believe im actually arguing with people over keeping drugs illegal where they should be

Shows you how completely STUPID this society has become. If there was nothing in this financially for these states there is no way in hell they would even consider

All they want is a piece of the drug dealer trade. And yes i have quite a few friends that made the leap from weed to hardcore drugs

Should we ban painkillers because kids get into their parents' medicine cabinet?
 
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