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OT: Official 2021 NY Mets Season Thread

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Like I said, the only way out of this mess is to clean house. No one would blame Cohen for trading this core of players. They have grossly underperformed for 5-6 years. Trade them all before they lose value. I don’t know what to do with Lindor. That one will haunt us for the next decade. When Cano comes back next year, we are going to have him and Lindor making more than $54 million dollars. This would likely be more than the Marlins roster combined. Let that settle in.
I ask again: are you willing to trade Jacob deGrom? Because if you are serious about cleaning house (which you should NOT be), that is where you start.
 
Lindor back in the lineup, hitting second. As he should be.

No, not sarcasm.

If the Mets are to get to where they want to be this year, Lindor will need to carry his share of the load. He can't do that on the bench.
 
Transactions du jour: Tommy Hunter up, Jordan Yamamoto down, Carlos Carrasco to 60 day IL. Carrasco won't be eligible for activation until May 31.
 
Carrasco moved to 60 day DL. That now puts him at May 31 for the earliest call up.

Yamamoto optioned down and Tommy Hunter called up.

Game will be delayed this afternoon for rain.
 
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Carrasco/Lindor quickly turning into one of my most favorite trades ever. 🥲
 
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You know your offense stinks when can't blow the doors off the opposing team as the other team does everything within their power to help you.
 
Need to get out of this game somehow with a W - packing it in with only 2 runs scored in the top of the 8th was nauseating.
 
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I ask again: are you willing to trade Jacob deGrom? Because if you are serious about cleaning house (which you should NOT be), that is where you start.

Yes I would start by trading deGrom. We could get what 4-5 top prospects of a team including 1-2 MLB ready players. We should then trade Diaz, Smith, McNeil, Davis, etc. Those guys have good value and we would be done with the rebuild in 3-5 years.
 
Starting pitchers ERA:
DeGrom: 0.51
Stroman: 2.12
Walker: 2.38

Peterson 4.81
Luchessi 10+

Hell of a Top 3. Can’t wait until Syndergard and Carrasco join those 3!!!

Here’s hoping Lindor learns how to hit again.
 
I had to rewind the MLB TV to see the man actually produce a single. Stunned disbelief.
FWIW, he looked relieved that he finally got a hit and wasn’t acting like a pure ass.

Hoping for the best.
 
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Yes I would start by trading deGrom. We could get what 4-5 top prospects of a team including 1-2 MLB ready players. We should then trade Diaz, Smith, McNeil, Davis, etc. Those guys have good value and we would be done with the rebuild in 3-5 years.
Fair enough. That is the correct answer. If you are serious about breaking it up, it must start with deGrom.
 
FWIW, he looked relieved that he finally got a hit and wasn’t acting like a pure ass.

Hoping for the best.
Lindor's performance is a head-scratcher. Normally when a player is in a prolonged slump, he is pressing, overswinging, chasing bad pitches, etc. Lindor is doing none of those things. His chase rate and K/BB rate are all very good. He is putting the ball in play - just not very hard or very far.

Going into today's game, his BABIP was I think .178, which is unimaginably bad.
 
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Mets set a franchise record for a nine inning game with 17 LOB. If you want to count LOB at the individual level, they had 37 LOB.

To put a positive spin on that, as is my nature: 17 LOB plus 4 runs equals 21 baserunners. Give me 21 baserunners every game, and I'll happily take my chances.
 
If you caught Lindor’s BP swings from Sunday night, it was pretty clear what he’d be doing during the game...meager pop ups (if he wasn’t striking out). There were at least two of those that I recall.
 
deGrom is a tough one. If you have hopes of a ring anytime soon, you hold onto him. I think you have to wait and see what this team looks like with the full pitching staff. If that looks good, you need to replace JD at 3B, and then try to get it done in October. If things look hopeless, I would bite the bullet on a heavily compensated trade - the man is 32, etc. Your return pre the recent injury was about as high as it is going to get.
 
deGrom is a tough one. If you have hopes of a ring anytime soon, you hold onto him. I think you have to wait and see what this team looks like with the full pitching staff. If that looks good, you need to replace JD at 3B, and then try to get it done in October. If things look hopeless, I would bite the bullet on a heavily compensated trade - the man is 32, etc. Your return pre the recent injury was about as high as it is going to get.
While I do find this debate interesting, I hope we can agree that it's a hypothetical. Steven Cohen did not spend $2.6B on this team, plus $341M on Lindor, to bust it up. It is not happening.

If everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, were to go to pieces, the earliest a rebuild would commence would be at NEXT year's July trading deadline.
 
Even Oeterson- 2 bad starts. 4 very good starts. I will take that from a 2nd year 4/5 pitcher.
May and Loup also great signings up to this point. GSell pitching the best he ever has and though Familia is stressful, he is doing his job. Keep Diaz to 1 inning in save situations, and he is good too. Carrasco and Noah back soon. Both at even 80% makes this staff insane.
As for hitting. Lindor will come around. With this start- I don’t expect .300 35 HR but I do think he will get it over .250 and 25HR. We got 10 years. He is going to have a lot of years that we will love him.
And imagine if we signed Springer...Would already be comparing him to Lowrie
 
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Even Oeterson- 2 bad starts. 4 very good starts. I will take that from a 2nd year 4/5 pitcher.
May and Loup also great signings up to this point. GSell pitching the best he ever has and though Familia is stressful, he is doing his job. Keep Diaz to 1 inning in save situations, and he is good too. Carrasco and Noah back soon. Both at even 80% makes this staff insane.
As for hitting. Lindor will come around. With this start- I don’t expect .300 35 HR but I do think he will get it over .250 and 25HR. We got 10 years. He is going to have a lot of years that we will love him.
And imagine if we signed Springer...Would already be comparing him to Lowrie
we get lugo back soonish too hopefully
 
While I do find this debate interesting, I hope we can agree that it's a hypothetical. Steven Cohen did not spend $2.6B on this team, plus $341M on Lindor, to bust it up. It is not happening.

If everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, were to go to pieces, the earliest a rebuild would commence would be at NEXT year's July trading deadline.
Agreed. BTW its only 1month into the season. Carlos C, Thor and Lugo have yet to pitch and the team has not hit. We just split with the Cards w/o Nimmo and Davis, our two best hitters thus far and no Jake. Despite all the drama over the last week, this was a good road trip. Be patient and you shall be rewarded.
 
Why do we always fill out the back end of our bullpen with guys who were dumped by other teams? Why do we have a catcher who despite being behind the plate constantly apparently can't tell a ball from a strike. 3-1 count with 2 men on and McCann swings at what would have been ball four twice. Last chance to get back i the game gone because then Tarpley came in.
A Stephen Tarpley update for all his fans on this board. His line tonight vs. Scranton: 1 inning, 7 earned runs. Plus 2 inherited runners scored. We all have bad days sometimes.
 
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Agreed. BTW its only 1month into the season. Carlos C, Thor and Lugo have yet to pitch and the team has not hit. We just split with the Cards w/o Nimmo and Davis, our two best hitters thus far and no Jake. Despite all the drama over the last week, this was a good road trip. Be patient and you shall be rewarded.
This is what must be bothering the NL East. We are not hitting anywhere near what we will hit. This will not be a year long problem. Our top 4 starters can be unhittable any given night and that does include Peterson. And we do not have our most reliable RP and 2 guys that are top of the line number 2 starters. Even if they take some time to get up to speed since Walker and Stroman are both pitching to those levels.
This is a team that just needs to hang around at this point and could very dangerous in a playoff series.
 
It’s interesting that a lot of people assume our hitting will improve (and is probably will), but they also assume that our top starters will continue to be as good as they have been (this, to me, is more doubtful).
 
It’s interesting that a lot of people assume our hitting will improve (and is probably will), but they also assume that our top starters will continue to be as good as they have been (this, to me, is more doubtful).
Not even just starters- the entire team pitching- over the past 2 weeks, only two Met's pitchers have a pluc 4.00 era. Diaz and Luchessi - we have 8 guys with a minus 2.00 era on the staff for the past 2 weeks.
Anyway- I don't think the pitching staff can keep this up- but...I do feel the hitting has more room to up than the pitching has to go down. This team should easily be putting over 4 runs up a game and easily be under a 3.50 team era. Maybe closer to 3.20 deGrom himself- should be able to give up 2 more runs a game then he is doing now and still be undefeated the rest of the way if the team was hitting
 
It’s interesting that a lot of people assume our hitting will improve (and is probably will), but they also assume that our top starters will continue to be as good as they have been (this, to me, is more doubtful).

Don't make me fret about this LOL
 
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