OT: Official 2022 NY Mets Season And Post Season Thread

[Knight Shift]

He was clearly not ready to play and he should not have played. He also cannot hit and has never hit here in NYC. Nido would have stopped two of the three balls that got past McCann. He should be DFA'd and let's take our chances with Alvarez and Nido.

On your first sentence we agree--that is on Buck and McCann. Who knows how the pitchers feel about Nido vs. McCann in calling the games, framing pitches (pitchers not fans), which probably figures a lot into the decision.

On your second sentence, I looked up the batting stats for the 2021 Mets. Kind of difficult to judge McCann in 2022 on 85 at bats and being on and off the IL, don't you think?

McCann's OPS was .643 in 2021 for 375 at bats. Not world beating, but in line with Dom and McNeil. Same for OBP. And that is for a catcher, where the bar is lowered. Looking at 2022 stats for batters that are listed with 3.1 PA per games played, the #6 catcher in MLB has an OPS of .655. McCann's 2021, when healthy and playing regularly, seems to be in line. 🤷‍♂️


Maybe the Mets should have held onto Wilson Ramos, who in the full season before 2020 (covid year), batted .288 with 473 at bats, and had an OPS of .768. Why did the Mets unload him? Was it because they acquired McCann?

Pre-Ramos, Mets had Kevin Plawecki, who batted .210 and an OPS of .685. Maybe Ramos is available somewhere. He is a free agent.

Nobody has any idea if Nido would have stopped 2 of those 3 balls. That's just piling on. DFA'd is way premature, but typical of Mets fans. Let the season play out and let Alavarez develop.

 

[cicero grimes]

There's a world of difference between Conforto and Alvarez though. Mainly the positions they play.

Agreed but can Alvarez be any worse than McCann was last night?

 

[Zak57]

Agreed but can Alvarez be any worse than McCann was last night?

No he probably wouldn't be but he still needs development time behind the plate. You'll be hard pressed to find any C that has been promoted with so few games behind the plate in the minors. The 2020 covid year is to blame.

He might come up in September but I wouldn't give him the job until 2023. I would just let him know he's #1 going into next season while they look to ship McCann out.

 

[Knight Shift]

Agreed but can Alvarez be any worse than McCann was last night?

I don't want to keep arguing with you, but do you judge everything in life by one game/incident? Sometimes people have a bad day at work. The guy just came off the IL, and you want to crucify him.

 

[tico brown]

Which honestly makes no sense since IIRC Conforto was called up in 2015 during a pennant race and played in 56 games down the stretch giving the team a spark.

What was Conforto hitting before he was called up? Alvarez is hitting below 200? He not ready yet.

 

[cicero grimes]

I don't want to keep arguing with you, but do you judge everything in life by one game/incident? Sometimes people have a bad day at work. The guy just came off the IL, and you want to crucify him.

It a fault of mine that I do not have patience for people after a certain point. I have watched McCann since he got here and I feel we paid him off a career year and have not gotten anywhere near our return on investment. Its not a one night thing but observation over time. It was the same way for me after Ash got blown out at home by Buffalo. I ranted in this board after that game and got it out of my system. When I am done with someone I want to move on. However, since I cannot control the situation, I will stop venting against him.

 

[yesrutgers01]

August 4 Mets Farm Report (Top 25 prospects per MLB Pipeline)

1st Rounder Kevin Parada will join Low A St. Lucie shortly.

AVG/OPS or E.R.A (W-L) (S)

1) Francisco Alvarez C (AAA Syracuse) – 0/4, R, BB, K, .185/.784

2) Brett Baty 3B/OF (AA Binghamton) – Game Suspended but so far 2/4, 2 HR(18), 2 R, 4 RBI, .308/.939

3) Ronny Mauricio SS (AA Binghamton) – Game Suspended but so far 1/2, R, K, .257/.782

4) Alex Ramirez OF (High A Brooklyn) – 2/4, 2B(6), R, 2 RBI, K, .290/.881

5) Mark Vientos 3B/1B (AAA Syracuse) - DNP

6) Matt Allan RHP (High A Brooklyn) - Injured – Elbow expected return 2023

7) Khalil Lee OF (AAA Syracuse) - DNP

8) Nick Plummer OF (AAA Syracuse) – 3/4, 2B(7), R, 3 RBI, K, .224/.688

9) Dominic Hamel RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 1.80, W(3-0)

10) Joel Diaz RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

11) Calvin Ziegler RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - DNP

12) Jose Butto RHP (AA Binghamton) - DNP

13) Simon Juan OF (Rookie DSL Mets 1) – 1/4, K, .222/.661

14) Jaylen Palmer 3B/OF (High A Brooklyn) – 0/2, R, BB, 2 K, SB(17), .178/.614

15) Carlos Cortes 2B/OF (AA Binghamton) - Game Suspended but so far 0/2, K, .246/.722

16) Junior Santos RHP (High A Brooklyn) - DNP

17) Eric Orze RHP (AAA Syracuse) – Injured – Expected return 2022

18) Robert Dominguez RHP (Low A St. Lucie) - Injured – Arm surgery expected return 2023

19) JT Schwartz 1B (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022

20) Hayden Senger C (AA Binghamton) – Injured Expected return 2022

21) Mike Vasil RHP (High A Brooklyn) – Injured Expected return 2022

22) Jake Mangum OF (AAA Syracuse) - Injured – Back expected return 2023

23) Jordany Ventura RHP (Low A St. Lucie) – Injured Expected return 2022

24) Josh Walker LHP (Low A St. Lucie) – 2.0 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, 0 HR, 4.50

25) Christian Scott RHP (Low A St. Lucie) – DNP

Non Top 25 Notables

Junior Tillen SS (Low A St. Lucie) – 3/4, BB, K, .270/.774

We are very top heavy but man- they are pretty good. Could almost see all of the top five as good major leaguers.

Don't know much about this kid but his numbers are looking good- what do we know about him?
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 1.80, W(3-0)

 

[Knight Shift]

It a fault of mine that I do not have patience for people after a certain point. I have watched McCann since he got here and I feel we paid him off a career year and have not gotten anywhere near our return on investment. Its not a one night thing but observation over time. It was the same way for me after Ash got blown out at home by Buffalo. I ranted in this board after that game and got it out of my system. When I am done with someone I want to move on. However, since I cannot control the situation, I will stop venting against him.

Final post on this. I don't want to sound like I am a McCann apologist, but while 2021 was not a stellar year for him, it seems roughly in line with other catchers. He's not JT Realmuto or Wilson Contreras, for sure. And he has underperformed for his salary.

Contreras is paid $9.6M/year--Mets were smart to not give up too much to get him.
Realmuto is paid $23.9M/year
Yikes, McCann is at $8.15M/year. FIRE HIM!!! 🤣

 

[Zak57]

We are very top heavy but man- they are pretty good. Could almost see all of the top five as good major leaguers.

Don't know much about this kid but his numbers are looking good- what do we know about him?
9) Dominic Hamel RHP (High A Brooklyn) – 5.0 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 7 K, 1.80, W(3-0)

3rd round pick last year out of college. Started the year in St Lucie and moved up to Brooklyn about a month ago. He really isn't far away if he keeps this up. Has big spin rates on his slider and somewhat on his curve. Fastball is normally 92-96 but has been working on that. FB and SL ahead of his CB and CH. Good control. He'll definitely make the majors minus injury.

Full year numbers between 2 levels.

8-2 3.26 E.R.A 88.1 IP 65 H 5 HR 41 BB 106 K .206 BAA

 

[Doctor Worm]

My point is who knows what the term "immediate future" means. Eppler could have said something like Alvarez is only 20 years old, we'll give him the rest of the season at AAA and then see what happens in 2023. He didn't.

 

[yesrutgers01]

3rd round pick last year out of college. Started the year in St Lucie and moved up to Brooklyn about a month ago. He really isn't far away if he keeps this up. Has big spin rates on his slider and somewhat on his curve. Fastball is normally 92-96 but has been working on that. FB and SL ahead of his CB and CH. Good control. He'll definitely make the majors minus injury.

Full year numbers between 2 levels.

8-2 3.26 E.R.A 88.1 IP 65 H 5 HR 41 BB 106 K .206 BAA

Thanks for that Zak- pretty impressive for this kid. Kind of stinks that a guy like Allen has been out all year too as if he was performing along with a couple more like this kid above- our depth of the system would look a little better.

 

[rurichdog]

I finally realized who Vogelbach reminds me of...Butch Heddo! Wrong side of the plate but you get the point.

"SEE YA!"

 

[yesrutgers01]

Not for nothing but after last night- Phils are as close to the Braves in the loss column as we are ahead of them in the loss column. Would love to get a few more in the next few days and have the Braves looking over their shoulders as much as looking ahead.

 

[Zak57]

I mean it's a big August but then schedule lets up in September. We're in really good position. The second to last series hopefully we have everything locked up by then but if not last games against Washington. Starting after this ATL series:

3 H Cincy
3 H Philly
4 A Atlanta
4 A Philly
2 A NYY
4 H Colorado
3 H LAD
3 H Wash
3 A Pitt
3 A Miami
3 H Chicago
4 H Pitt
3 A Milw
3 A Oakland
2 H Miami
3 A Atlanta
3 H Wash

 

[yesrutgers01]

I mean it's a big August but then schedule lets up in September. We're in really good position. The second to last series hopefully we have everything locked up by then but if not last games against Washington. Starting after this ATL series:

3 H Cincy
3 H Philly
4 A Atlanta
4 A Philly
2 A NYY
4 H Colorado
3 H LAD
3 H Wash
3 A Pitt
3 A Miami
3 H Chicago
4 H Pitt
3 A Milw
3 A Oakland
2 H Miami
3 A Atlanta
3 H Wash

lot of games against Phils/Atl over the next 2 weeks then a tough NYY/LAD but then after that LAD series- it is very favorable. Would like to be at least 6 games up if not more by the time we finish the LAD series.

 

[cicero grimes]

I mean it's a big August but then schedule lets up in September. We're in really good position. The second to last series hopefully we have everything locked up by then but if not last games against Washington. Starting after this ATL series:

3 H Cincy
3 H Philly
4 A Atlanta
4 A Philly
2 A NYY
4 H Colorado
3 H LAD
3 H Wash
3 A Pitt
3 A Miami
3 H Chicago
4 H Pitt
3 A Milw
3 A Oakland
2 H Miami
3 A Atlanta
3 H Wash

How well we do in the next 20 games may decide it.

 

[yesrutgers01]

How well we do in the next 20 games may decide it.

one of the nice things about our late schedule- as it eases up a lot for us- The Braves will be facing Seatle, SF, 7 games against Philly and 3 more against us.
During that same stretch- we have only Mil and Braves with winning records

 

[The RUT]

one of the nice things about our late schedule- as it eases up a lot for us- The Braves will be facing Seatle, SF, 7 games against Philly and 3 more against us.
During that same stretch- we have only Mil and Braves with winning records

Braves were able to stack wins during their weak stretch.

I know they’re good, but I think they’re entirely overrated. Fried on the bump is the only time they’re elite IMO.

 

[rubaseball78]

ESPN has 3 wild pitches. No passed balls. What mistakes?

Catchers job is to stop wild pitches.

 

[rubaseball78]

No he probably wouldn't be but he still needs development time behind the plate. You'll be hard pressed to find any C that has been promoted with so few games behind the plate in the minors. The 2020 covid year is to blame.

He might come up in September but I wouldn't give him the job until 2023. I would just let him know he's #1 going into next season while they look to ship McCann out.

Why tell him he’s #1 next year? Shouldn’t he have to earn it?

 

[MadRU]

 

[Knight Shift]

Catchers job is to stop wild pitches.

All of them? The first one by Carrasco was closer to the 3B than home plate.

 

[Knight Shift]

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No McCann?

 

[yesrutgers01]

When it comes to last night's PB or WP's, my question is...has this been a problem with McCann previously during his career?
He is usually a pretty solid defensive catcher and a good game caller. If he has had this problem for years- then I worry about it but I don't think that is the case.

 

[Zak57]

Why tell him he’s #1 next year? Shouldn’t he have to earn it?

Because his bat is a million times better than anything else we have at C already.

If you really want Nido to start the first 2 months in 2023 that's fine.

 

[Knight Shift]

When it comes to last night's PB or WP's, my question is...has this been a problem with McCann previously during his career?
He is usually a pretty solid defensive catcher and a good game caller. If he has had this problem for years- then I worry about it but I don't think that is the case.

I did some lookup on him, and he has zero PBs this year. On 1 or 2 years in the last several years, he was a leader in PBs for MLB catchers. I agree with @rubaseball78 that the catcher's job is to stop WPs, but it seems that there is a lot of discretion with how a PB or WP is scored.

At least one (maybe two) of those WPs were a PB last night. But that first one that Cookie threw was almost caught at 3B. I was on the phone with someone and exclaimed WTF, Cookie!!! And the person on the other end said- "Who's Cookie?"

 

[yesrutgers01]

Because his bat is a million times better than anything else we have at C already.

If you really want Nido to start the first 2 months in 2023 that's fine.

If Cohen wants to just piss off the other owners and goes balls out to sign a guy like Judge next year, then I can live with Nido...

I think our pitchers seem to like pitching to him. And if the rest of the offense is clicking, we can live with it...BTW- over the past month, I believe Nido is hitting .250

 

[rubaseball78]

All of them? The first one by Carrasco was closer to the 3B than home plate.

Yes. Jeff Torborg was my coach one year. He was never happy if a pitch got past me even if it was a wild pitch.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

Nido
Last 7 250
Last 15 220
Last 30 188

Career 601 AB
210 avg
10 HR

ZERO HR this year

 

[Knight Shift]

Yes. Jeff Torborg was my coach one year. He was never happy if a pitch got past me even if it was a wild pitch.

As noted above, I generally agree, but there are some wild pitches that even Spiderman could not stop. The first one by Carrasco was ridiculously wide.

 

[rubaseball78]

Because his bat is a million times better than anything else we have at C already.

If you really want Nido to start the first 2 months in 2023 that's fine.

Didn’t say I want Nido to start. You just don’t tell someone in triple A he is #1 next year.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Yesterday Eppler said that Alvarez would not be called up "in the immediate future". We can interpret that as we wish.

He's hitting .187 in AAA, so it's not really a surprising statement.

 

[Knight Shift]

Nido
Last 7 250
Last 15 220
Last 30 188

Career 601 AB
210 avg
10 HR

ZERO HR this year

Maybe someone could knock d'Arnaud out and put him in Mets uniform without the Braves noticing?

 

[willisneverrana43]

Which honestly makes no sense since IIRC Conforto was called up in 2015 during a pennant race and played in 56 games down the stretch giving the team a spark.

Dig deeper.

 

[nutfromSEC117]

McCann got hot early in the Covid year which was also his free agent year.
273 highest full season avg

2019 273 18 HR

He’d be a folk hero with those stats in 2022

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[MadRU]

 

[tico brown]

Maybe someone could knock d'Arnaud out and put him in Mets uniform without the Braves noticing?

Then he’ll be out for the year with another injury

 

[BigEastPhil]

Can Canha or Escobar catch? 🤔

 

[nutfromSEC117]

 

[yesrutgers01]

He's hitting .187 in AAA, so it's not really a surprising statement.

It is 100% about the position of catcher with a staff like the Met’s- 0% his batting average in AAA.