I hate to say it but Pete looks tired at the plate and could use a night off. Sit him tonight and let him rest with the off day tomorrow. We need him rested for the stretch run.
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I think they was to have a better pitcher following walker in case he cant get through the game and they burn their pen. They may not need as much pen with degrom vs rockies
I'm not thrilled with the decision given that Walker has walked out of this last 2 starts early with maybe a groin injury and maybe a back injury. If we're going to risk getting into a bullpen game, I'd prefer it with the Rockies.
Shouldn't that be 3 or 4? They have all been dreadful.
And he's not the worst in MLB!!! But, it seems that Nido has separated himself at least by BA
And should catchers have a Mendoza line?
Unfortunately we're just going to have to live with C being basically a pitcher hitting. Alvarez is not ready defensively and his bat has gone ice cold. McCann and Nido are fine defensively but they can't hit. The McCann deal last year never made much sense and we're seeing that play out here. The rush to give him 4 years is mind blowing as they were bidding against themselves.
How's your prediction of the Yankees winning 120 games this season looking? About as well as your prediction of The New Core 4, lmfao!!! Don't look now but The JV has passed you by.
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Offensively, 3B hasn't been very productive this year either, with Escobar having a down year and Guillorme doing better offensively but still not producing like you'd like from a corner. Both play the field well, with Guillorme playing it extraordinarily well. And, after his 1st AB HR, Baty has had a bad run at the plate and hasn't looked very good in the field. It'd be nice to see some improvement at 3B as the year closes. I agree that catcher has little chance for improvement.
Maybe I look at stats too optimistically, but Nido is not horrific for catchers with more than 200 plate appearances. If you look at the top catchers, they mostly have 300 or more plate appearances. I get that catchers don't play every day in modern baseball, but perhaps if Nido got more reps (or dare I say McCann), their batting would improve. But it could get worse.
| Player | Team | PA | BA |
| Alejandro Kirk + | Blue Jays | 404 | 0.3 |
| Christian Vazquez + | Red Sox | 318 | 0.282 |
| Will Smith + | Dodgers | 433 | 0.274 |
| Francisco Mejia # | Rays | 223 | 0.269 |
| Jose Trevino + | Yankees | 267 | 0.269 |
| J.T. Realmuto + | Phillies | 418 | 0.265 |
| William Contreras + | Braves | 260 | 0.262 |
| Travis d'Arnaud + | Braves | 313 | 0.262 |
| Adley Rutschman # | Orioles | 303 | 0.259 |
| Jorge Alfaro + | Padres | 249 | 0.258 |
| Sean Murphy + | Athletics | 455 | 0.253 |
| Jonah Heim # | Rangers | 353 | 0.251 |
| Willson Contreras + | Cubs | 443 | 0.25 |
| Keibert Ruiz # | Nationals | 386 | 0.246 |
| Austin Nola + | Padres | 307 | 0.244 |
| Daulton Varsho * | Diamondbacks | 444 | 0.235 |
| Omar Narvaez * | Brewers | 219 | 0.233 |
| Eric Haase + | Tigers | 247 | 0.233 |
| Elias Diaz + | Rockies | 282 | 0.23 |
| Yan Gomes + | Cubs | 206 | 0.228 |
| MJ Melendez * | Royals | 370 | 0.228 |
| Joey Bart + | Giants | 216 | 0.224 |
| Carson Kelly + | Diamondbacks | 230 | 0.224 |
| Tomás Nido + | Mets | 239 | 0.224 |
| Salvador Perez + | Royals | 336 | 0.222 |
| Andrew Knizner + | Cardinals | 217 | 0.221 |
| Jacob Stallings + | Marlins | 300 | 0.22 |
| Gary Sanchez + | Twins | 335 | 0.218 |
| Ryan Jeffers + | Twins | 214 | 0.214 |
| Cal Raleigh # | Mariners | 309 | 0.213 |
| Victor Caratini # | Brewers | 230 | 0.21 |
| Mitch Garver + | Rangers | 215 | 0.207 |
| Tucker Barnhart * | Tigers | 235 | 0.206 |
| Yasmani Grandal # | White Sox | 290 | 0.203 |
| Max Stassi + | Angels | 302 | 0.199 |
| Martin Maldonado + | Astros | 305 | 0.181 |
| Austin Hedges + | Guardians | 247 | 0.174 |
I think, however, that McCann has more upside. At least he’s had a couple of productive offensive years. Nido hasn’t had any.
Had to look up wRC+, but have no idea WTF it means.
But I agree they are both terrible at the plate. McCann has to get it going, and I have not given up on him yet. The same may apply to Nido.
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You know what is funny about all these advanced stats- If we see a hitter with a good BA, scores runs, gets extra base hits, hits in runs, even steals some bases. and and a pretty good BB/K ratio - we know he is a good hitter.Had to look up wRC+, but have no idea WTF it means.
But I agree they are both terrible at the plate. McCann has to get it going, and I have not given up on him yet. The same may apply to Nido.
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You look at McNeil, Nimmo, Marte, Lindor, Alonso - I could take my eye test and the basic stats we have always used and almost bet they all have a positive whatever+ - most likely, with Nimmo and McNeil the lowest but we want them up at bat.
Cahna has to be just about average maybe just a smidge under- Escobar, JG, And every C is well below.
What the advanced analytics people may not take into account...their reports may actually hurt some players by not letting them stay in a lineup when hot or taking them out when they are not. Too often, we see a guy get 3 hits and next day- they are out of a lineup because some advanced analytics says he shouldnt be in there...maybe, if you went with a hot hand, eye test and old school thought, the guy gets 2 hits against what analytics tell you. But since he sits- he can't change it...
The only two "newish" stats I love are WHIP and OPS. All the rest, are noise and really screw up the enjoyment of a game.
I will admit that being an avid fan may have passed me by. I just watch and use the eyeball test, batting average and on base percentage.
There is no longer a scout who just says - "I know it as soon as I saw(heard) it"
I wonder what the advanced analytics would have said about a guy like Piazza when he was signed.
Basically the best all around stat we have to measure offense. It takes everything into account. If you want slightly advanced and still good just use OPS+. Batting average alone is not the best tool in the box anymore.Had to look up wRC+, but have no idea WTF it means.
But I agree they are both terrible at the plate. McCann has to get it going, and I have not given up on him yet. The same may apply to Nido.
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I'm not going to get into but this is really not true. The scouts during the draft aren't using all advanced analytics to measure high school players. Good GMs still recognize the "old school" part of the game and take both sides into account.
Also a lot of the stuff you mentioned in your post prior to this is very dependent on others in the lineup. You can't get a lot of RBI unless you have guys ahead of you on base etc. deGrom is the best example of this. He never would have won either of his CY Youngs in the 80s because of his W-L record alone(10-9 & 11-8). It was helpful to have other more advanced stats to show why he was indeed the best SP those years. Even then you had a lot of people not want to give it to him because of his win total which is a joke.
DeGrom in the 80-90’s would have had 15-20 CG’s a year.
he also, just, passed ever eye test. Record or not- you knew he was by far the best pitcher. W-L is very unique to a starting pitcher. Once we went to a 100 pitch count, it changed everything.
A hitter- outside of RBI and Runs- is very individual and relies on nothing else.
a guy that bats .310+ with 35 HR but only 85 RBI…you know the lack of rbi wasn’t on him.
I think, what I am saying is…the advanced analytics are really just a confirmation of the eye test.
Congrats you got one right. Mets take tonight's game and it's 3 of 4 from The Varsity. Basically your praying for a split, look how far you've fallen. Only one of your New Core 4 are even on the roster, and finish 39-0 and your at 114 wins. I'm guesses your a little short of that 120 wins.Mets vs. Yankees - MLB Box Score - August 22, 2022 | ESPN
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Sure I'm good with that. Something like wRC+ or wOBA helps on different levels to differentiate the top guys as well. To me using something like wRC+ helps because it uses all measures to incorporate how good a hitter actually is. Park, position, all types of hits and the output is a figure easy to understand. Who you would expect to be on top is on top but the figure helps show who is actually better.
serioes? lol at minimum- "ok, we beat the Sea record for regular season wins, it will be worthless without the WS win..."
But it really is only confirming what we know. I think many of these new stats are actually more important to fantasy players and gamblers.
Lets take late 80's- going to use a Met player. We didnt have the stats, internet etc at out hands-
HoJo
How did EVERYONE in America know, do NOT throw him a fastball?
There's one Yankee fan trying to compare Cole to deGrom, now he's trying to double down on moronic statements by saying deGrom is afraid of pitching against the Yankees, totally delusional.
Funny how they NEVER remember what they say when it goes horribly wrong. Try and find any of The Amigos to admit they stated or agreed that Sanchez, Judge, Andujar and Torres were the 2nd coming of what "they" called The New Core 4.😎 I almost forgot the best part, in 2017, a couple of Amigos predicted The New Core 4 was going to win multiple championships in a 5 year period. Sadly, that also has run out of time.
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Funny how dumbass Mets fans forget how many games deGrom has missed in the last 2 seasons. Just 15 games last and this year a grand total of 4 games and they are already pushing his starts.
I am certainly not anyone who called any 4 players the new Core 4. Until you win Championships you aren't legendary. Of course Mets fans don't know anything about that. No Mets player won more than 1 Championship in Queens. What sad fan base.
Ok- you sorry little man. As you saw previously- they want deGrom to go against the team in their division who are better than the Yankees.
many more wonderful wisdom you have to share?
Oh wait- weren’t you the brilliant baseball fan that called me a joker in early July when I mentioned the Yankees should be concerned that their starters were all pitching to a sub 3.00 and sub 2.00 and that it would not continue through the year, plus, they relied too much on just a couple of hitters..,
you guys will hang on but don’t question my baseball knowledge to yours again…
And it’s funny, you talk like you are Derek and led the team to those wins- you only watched them.
I didn't just question your baseball knowledge but your overall IQ. I'm not stupid enough to think "you like baseball, all teams..." crap! Post on hear prove it. You are just a fing Mets troll.
Oh if you actually ever paid attention I wasn't all that big of a Jeter fan. Thurman Munson guy.
The Mets didn't push back deGrom start because of injury issues. They pushed him back for Walker, who missed his start a few days ago. Also, the change in the rotation is set up to go against specific teams over the next few weeks.
Sad? I live in the moment. Currently the Mets are in first place. Why would I be sad?
You are the Champ Mrs Flood! BTW I have to thank you and mentally challenged multiple screen name @RUfinally2008 for opening the door on this thread for me by calling me out. Can't thank you both enough! I appreciate letting me respond to your Yankees nonsense for the rest of the season.
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It's not just telling us what we already know. That's where we differentiate. It's an agree to disagree thing.
He is an absolute albatross right now. 3-1 dead fastball count and the best he can do is a weak popup.
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