OT: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees for 2018

[MYHATINTHERING]

studio band....lmfao you are kidding me. Annie Lennox is probably the most respected artists in the last 30 years by the critics and industry. Her work with Eurythmics and as a solo artist and her use of video to portray characters and being a chameleon probably rates right up there with Madonna. Stewart also went on to produce acts like Tom Petty and Stevie Nicks. I can see that you totally dismiss the new wave era. The use of synths blended in with pop/rock sensibilities and a soulful voice that really hasnt been eclipsed since. She is your female equivalent of David Bowie. She used her looks and sexuality in such an unconventional way pushing boundaries

Their masterpiece is Here Comes The Rain Again but if you want rock and roll then Would I Lie To You qualifies

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Its ok, just come out of the closet already. be yourself, be happy

 

[RUboston]

One of the problems here is defining rock and roll. Nina Simone was clearly blues and soul, and if you don't think of that as part of rock and roll, then she shouldn't be in. If you look at whom she influenced who is clearly rock and roll, then you can make the case for her.

I really like Nina Simone, but she would be a fringe pick for me. Not because she is not in the category; I just don't think she produced enough really impactful stuff to be in. But I do love listening to her. And of course, she was big in the Civil Rights and anti-war movements, which may cause some to oppose her.

The Moody Blues?! I would rather listen to Neil Diamond.
Nah. I just can't stand Neil Diamond. But that Moody Blues drone is like sitting in the dentist's chair in super slow motion.

The Moody Blues had a classic with their first hit, a cover of "Go Now". It was pretty much downhill after that with them for me. Tried too hard to be artsy and deep but the result was Muzak and really bad lyrics.

 

[mdh2003]

Kind of curious on why No to Judas Priest. Putting aside whether you like metal or not, or the band. They are one of the originators of heavy metal. Jann Wenner has been a huge doosh to metal bands (see Black Sabbath) but maybe they sneak in because Rob Halford is gay.

Setting aside their obvious musical influence.

Priest deserve to be in for one reason alone: without them, there is no this:

 

[RUaMoose]

Iron Maiden was the first concert that I ever went to (Seventh Son tour at the old Brendan Byrne Arena).....perhaps 87 or 88? Have they ever been considered for the HOF?

LOL..Screaming for Vengeance tour, 1982, MSG with Iron Maiden. Train breaks down on the way in so we're stuck there for over an hour with irate, drunk metal fans. Will never forget that experience.

 

[RUaMoose]

Kind of curious on why No to Judas Priest. Putting aside whether you like metal or not, or the band. They are one of the originators of heavy metal. Jann Wenner has been a huge doosh to metal bands (see Black Sabbath) but maybe they sneak in because Rob Halford is gay.

JP was hugely influential.1978's Stained Class was arguable the first foray into what would become speed metal. Painkiller over a decade later would just take it to a new level. Bands like Slayer, who I don't care much for, were hugely influenced by JP

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Judas Priest 1st record was in 1974. Iron Maiden 1st record was in 1980. Both should be in.

The problem with Metal is that for the longest time the Rock and Roll HOF committee didn't have anyone who knew anything about Metal. That still might be the case, I have no idea who votes or what it is based on, and no one else knows either.

BLACK SABBATH didn't get in until 2006!!! 2006!!! WTF!?!

The next Metal band to get in was Metallica in 2009.

Then finally Deep Purple in 2016.

That's it, 3 bands. Really?

That list gets bigger if you want to lump in Hard Rock with Heavy Metal, which I think that is what they have been doing. I don't think they understand it is two different genres. They need to be separated or the really important Metal bands will never get in.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

I think "New Wave's" problem is how the genre was separated from punk. Punk is respected by the hard rock crowd.. I think.. new wave is too pop for them. Heck.. we see yearly how Bon Jovi is too "pop" for rock.

The Beatles were "pop" as anyone.. but no one questions their work. In that same way I think many new wave acts deserve some more consideration.

Blondie is already in.. they straddled the punk/new wave line at the time but definitely fall under new wave when looking back.

Now look at this list of nominees knowing that James Taylor, ABBA and Donna Summer are already in... as well as other lesser well-known head-scratchers.

And if the RRHoF can be used to make artists more famous as a public service.. then Link Wray should get in. I guarantee everyone who doesn't know who he is HAS HEARD HIS MUSIC.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Judas Priest 1st record was in 1974. Iron Maiden 1st record was in 1980. Both should be in.

The problem with Metal is that for the longest time the Rock and Roll HOF committee didn't have anyone who knew anything about Metal. That still might be the case, I have no idea who votes or what it is based on, and no one else knows either.

BLACK SABBATH didn't get in until 2006!!! 2006!!! WTF!?!

The next Metal band to get in was Metallica in 2009.

Then finally Deep Purple in 2016.

That's it, 3 bands. Really?

That list gets bigger if you want to lump in Hard Rock with Heavy Metal, which I think that is what they have been doing. I don't think they understand it is two different genres. They need to be separated or the really important Metal bands will never get in.

Wow, only 3 bands? That's pretty disgraceful for the "Rock and Roll" HOF. JP and IM seem to be no-brainers. Who else?

 

[T2Kplus10]

Maiden ever nominated? No, not to the best of my knowledge, which is a little weird as there easily might not have been a Priest, etc., without Maiden. I also remember Maiden's Seventh Son Tour, but being from upstate NY, vaguely recall seeing it at the Garden. Either way, a great teenage experience, meaning a great Rn'R experience. Meanwhile, our fellow posters are engaged in a protracted academic debate about the worthiness of . . . Eurythmics. Eddie would run for the hills . . . .

My direct IM fandom days are long past (even though I watch/listen at work or late at night after the family is in bed, from time to time), but if I remember correctly, they were pretty innovation - with the music and concerts. Each album had a different vibe, while staying true to what IM was, longer songs that incorporating components of "storytelling". And concerts were not just solely music, but theatrical in spirit.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Wow, only 3 bands? That's pretty disgraceful for the "Rock and Roll" HOF. JP and IM seem to be no-brainers. Who else?

Metal is like Jazz in that there are a lot of sub-genres, too many perhaps.

There is no way you can includes bands from all of them, but there are some obvious bands and musicians that deserve to get in, who in turn can represent the full depth.

After Judas Priest. You have Iron Maiden, of course, when you think of Metal: Maiden and Priest are the 1st two things that pop into most people's heads. Then Motorhead should get in. King Diamond (the man) should get in for both of his bands (Mercyful Fate and King Diamond), as well as Ronnie James Dio that would included his work in Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Dio. You can also toss in Slayer to rep Trash/extreme metal because lets face it Venom, Death and Bathory will never get in, even if they would in a metal HOF day one, but that is not what the Rock and Roll HOF is.

Those right there are the most high influential band acts ever in metal. I am talking thousands and thousands of bands that they influence and every metal genre that currently exist!

With Black Sabbath, Metallica and Deep Purple along with the above bands and acts you can make a very nice proper Metal wing at the HOF that would be amazing to visit.

Sadly some of those has pass away, so time is running out if you want to see them actually perform at the hall.

 

[Knight Shift]

Metal is like Jazz in that there are a lot of sub-genres, too many perhaps.

There is no way you can includes bands from all of them, but there are some obvious bands and musicians that deserve to get in, who in turn can represent the full depth.

After Judas Priest. You have Iron Maiden, of course, when you think of Metal: Maiden and Priest are the 1st two things that pop into most people's heads. Then Motorhead should get in. King Diamond (the man) should get in for both of his bands (Mercyful Fate and King Diamond), as well as Ronnie James Dio that would included his work in Rainbow, Black Sabbath and Dio. You can also toss in Slayer to rep Trash/extreme metal because lets face it Venom, Death and Bathory will never get in, even if they would in a metal HOF day one, but that is not what the Rock and Roll HOF is.

Those right there are the most high influential band acts ever in metal. I am talking thousands and thousands of bands that they influence and every metal genre that currently exist!

With Black Sabbath, Metallica and Deep Purple along with the above bands and acts you can make a very nice proper Metal wing at the HOF that would be amazing to visit.

Sadly some of those has pass away, so time is running out if you want to see them actually perform at the hall.

I would throw in the Scorpions. Around since the mid to late 1960's, still killing it, and had their fair share of hits. Fantastic live band. Then there are more obscure bands that had a share of hits that will never get in like Corrosion of Conformity. And then there are bands that were defined as grunge, but were more like sludge metal such as Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. The fact that Green Day is in and Soundgarden and AIC have not gotten a sniff is criminal. I have to go break some shit now.

 

[mdh2003]

My direct IM fandom days are long past (even though I watch/listen at work or late at night after the family is in bed, from time to time), but if I remember correctly, they were pretty innovation - with the music and concerts. Each album had a different vibe, while staying true to what IM was, longer songs that incorporating components of "storytelling". And concerts were not just solely music, but theatrical in spirit.

The music itself is pretty much a taste thing. And to see Dickinson flying around the stage at 60, post cancer, is a marvel (let alone his jumbo jet piloting, world class fencing, etc., etc.).

But, no one can deny the content.

Just off the top of my head here are a few things that young (and older) mdh was turned on to by Iron Maiden:
Edgar Allen Poe
Third Battle of Ypres
Frank Herbert
The Charge of the Light Brigade
Greek/Egyptian mythology
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
Heinlein

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

I would throw in the Scorpions. Around since the mid to late 1960's, still killing it, and had their fair share of hits. Fantastic live band. Then there are more obscure bands that had a share of hits that will never get in like Corrosion of Conformity. And then there are bands that were defined as grunge, but were more like sludge metal such as Alice in Chains and Soundgarden. The fact that Green Day is in and Soundgarden and AIC have not gotten a sniff is criminal. I have to go break some shit now.

Scorpions is more Hard Rock than metal. Though Uli Jon Roth and Michael Schenker are a big deal in Metal, but Scorpions didn't become huge until after they both left the band, It is like Def Leppard whose 1st two albums were Metal albums but they didn't get super popular until they became a pop hard rock band starting with their 3rd album. That is when they blew up.

 

[Knight Shift]

Scorpions is more Hard Rock than metal. Though Uli Jon Roth and Michael Schenker are a big deal in Metal, but Scorpions didn't become huge until after they both left the band, It is like Def Leppard whose 1st two albums were Metal albums but they didn't get super popular until they became a pop hard rock band starting with their 3rd album. That is when they blew up.

Can see your point, but disagree about Scorpions being a pop hard rock band, unless you are referring to that one-off Winds of Change tune. Blackout was a solid hard rock/metal album, as was Love at First Sting. Saw them in 1984 at the Philly Spectrum, with Bon Jovi opening before they broke big. Loudest concert I ever saw.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Can see your point, but disagree about Scorpions being a pop hard rock band, unless you are referring to that one-off Winds of Change tune. Blackout was a solid hard rock/metal album, as was Love at First Sting. Saw them in 1984 at the Philly Spectrum, with Bon Jovi opening before they broke big. Loudest concert I ever saw.

Def Leppard not them! Scorpions were just good old Hard Rock. Sorry if I worded that poorly.

 

[cicero grimes]

After the last two years of primarily rounding-out the list of mid-70's -- late-80's arena rock headliners (Cheap Trick, Chicago, Deep Purple, Joan Jett, Journey, Steve Miller, Yes, etc.), there's no way that the HOF is going back to the well for another 3-4 second-string classic rock acts for 2018. Last year was the close-out set.

Going forward, enjoyable, but meh arena acts like J. Geils and Dire Straits will be limited to one admission annually. With, The Moody Blues, I'm a fan; but, they'll never be admitted. As I recall, Rolling Stone once named Days of Future's Past, the most overrated album of all time (or something to that effect). Critics just hate that over-the-top, self-aggrandizing prog rock.

As for who will get in, Radiohead is a lock, and deservedly so. They'll also likely admit questionable Bon Jovi. They're just too big of an act to continue to ignore and their absence makes it harder to admit more-deserving older, heavier bands like Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, etc. from which Bon Jovi's pop-metal sound partially evolved. Despite all the albums sold in the 80's, there isn't one true hair metal band from the genre in the HOF (and, no, Gn'R doesn't count). Bon Jovi takes care of that curiosity.

The admission of The Cars, or to the less likely-extent, Depeche Mode, take care of another HOF-overlooked genre, New Wave, Post-Modern, etc. or whatever you want to call it. The Cars (initially, considered New Wave) would temporarily satisfy this inexcusable oversight, while still appealing to the HOF's arena-rock base. In this regard, despite album sales, concert attendance and critical acclaim, there are presently no acts like Billy Idol, Depeche Mode, Joy Division, New Order, Public Image Limited, The Cure, The Smiths, Tears for Fears, etc. in the HOF. They can't ignore the genre forever.

For some reason, I just think Nina Simone is also a lock. She's deserving, continues to expand the Rock-and-Roll footprint (to include, basically, any post-WWII music, excepting country), more distinctive than yet-another arena-rock afterthought, diversifies the slate, etc. I bet LL Cool J is admitted for somewhat similar reasons. Each add to what isn't fully-recognized, but should be.

Personally, I'd like to see nominees like Kate Bush, The MC5 or The Zombies admitted. But, I don't see it happening on any regular ballot. Rage Against the Machine will be admitted soon-enough on a regular ballot, I think just not in 2018.

Great post. Agree completely about New Wave being overlooked. The Cars, especially with Ben Orr were groundbreaking. They should have been in last year.

 

[RU-AGK]

I actually love to LOL at all the imbeciles ITT who have no clue how influential Bon Jovi was to the greatest sub genre of the greatest genre of music ever.

You keep putting them down but Slippery saved Rock & Roll radio for about 5 years with it's undeniable hits and influence going forward.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Iron Maiden was the first concert that I ever went to (Seventh Son tour at the old Brendan Byrne Arena).....perhaps 87 or 88? Have they ever been considered for the HOF?

Saw Iron Miaden twice myself. I believe they opened for Blue Oyster Cult at the Garden around 1980-81.

 

[DJ Spanky]

This place needs to be renamed to the Rock and Roll Hall of Participation Trophies.

 

[RU-AGK]

Scorpions is more Hard Rock than metal. Though Uli Jon Roth and Michael Schenker are a big deal in Metal, but Scorpions didn't become huge until after they both left the band, It is like Def Leppard whose 1st two albums were Metal albums but they didn't get super popular until they became a pop hard rock band starting with their 3rd album. That is when they blew up.

When you call Pyromania a pop hard rock album are you saying that because of all the play it got on pop radio stations or are you commenting on the content of the music?

Hysteria was a true pop hard rock album but I'll argue to the death over Pyromania being anything less than Hard Rock. I loved Gods Of War off that album (Hysteria).

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

When you call Pyromania a pop hard rock album are you saying that because of all the play it got on pop radio stations or are you commenting on the content of the music?

Hysteria was a true pop hard rock album but I'll argue to the death over Pyromania being anything less than Hard Rock. I loved Gods Of War off that album (Hysteria).

They certainly kept getting lighter and lighter!

BTW, there is nothing wrong with Hard Rock or Pop.

I like Hard Rock too, it was not meant as an insult!

 

[DJ Spanky]

When you call Pyromania a pop hard rock album are you saying that because of all the play it got on pop radio stations or are you commenting on the content of the music?

Hysteria was a true pop hard rock album but I'll argue to the death over Pyromania being anything less than Hard Rock. I loved Gods Of War off that album (Hysteria).

I agree about Pyromania - I was introduced to most of the songs off of DHA, then later on they became crossover hits played on PLJ, Z100, etc.. My favorite DL song is Too Late For Love.

 

[cicero grimes]

I agree about Pyromania - I was introduced to most of the songs off of DHA, then later on they became crossover hits played on PLJ, Z100, etc.. My favorite DL song is Too Late For Love.

Pyromania was great. Played over and over on the boom box when released. Foolin' was my favorite.

 

[RU-AGK]

They certainly kept getting lighter and lighter!

BTW, there is nothing wrong with Hard Rock or Pop.

I like Hard Rock too, it was not meant as an insult!

I'm the type of guy that holds Metal at the pinnacle and works his way down in terms of guitar crunchyness. I take for granted that others don't see it that way.

I have no problem with 80's pop music either.

 

[RU-AGK]

I agree about Pyromania - I was introduced to most of the songs off of DHA, then later on they became crossover hits played on PLJ, Z100, etc.. My favorite DL song is Too Late For Love.

Pyromania was great. Played over and over on the boom box when released. Foolin' was my favorite.

Comin' Under Fire here. (From that album)

Me & My Wine and Gods of War across the first 4 (which are the only ones that register because the rest, as mentioned, get very very light)

 

[megadrone]

I agree about Pyromania - I was introduced to most of the songs off of DHA, then later on they became crossover hits played on PLJ, Z100, etc.. My favorite DL song is Too Late For Love.

Good point you make here about the classification -- the closer to pop or new wave, the less likely to hear a song on DHA. More likely for WNEW (at the time).

Not influential but commercially successful -- they would have been played on PLJ or Z100.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I have no problem with 80's pop music either.

 

[RU-AGK]

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LOL!

Infinitely better than Miami Sound Machine imo.

I could snap my fingers with the torque I could produce by turning the dial when they came on.

 

[RU848789]

Kind of curious on why No to Judas Priest. Putting aside whether you like metal or not, or the band. They are one of the originators of heavy metal. Jann Wenner has been a huge doosh to metal bands (see Black Sabbath) but maybe they sneak in because Rob Halford is gay.

You're right, I'm not a huge fan of metal (I love selected songs, but find a lot of it to be derivative/repetitive - and I'm sure metal fans would say the same about other genres), so I wouldn't include them. However, I can appreciate their place in metal and R&R history and they certainly have a legitimate claim as innovators in that genre, which obviously isn't well represented in the HOF, and they have sold 50 million albums worldwide, so they've been popular too. So, I can see them getting in - I just wouldn't be voting them in, myself.

 

[Duff366]

Good point you make here about the classification -- the closer to pop or new wave, the less likely to hear a song on DHA. More likely for WNEW (at the time).

Not influential but commercially successful -- they would have been played on PLJ or Z100.

Def Leppard should get in over Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi's music was/is completely derivative. Def Leppard pretty much invented the 80's commercial hard rock sound and influenced a ton of bands

 

[MadRU]

The Beatles were "pop" as anyone.. but no one questions their work. In that same way I think many new wave acts deserve some more consideration.
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The Beatles were way more than pop.

 

[DJ Spanky]

The Beatles were way more than pop.

Yeah, they were more a new wave, reggae band.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Def Leppard should get in over Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi's music was/is completely derivative. Def Leppard pretty much invented the 80's commercial hard rock sound and influenced a ton of bands

Correct! The two bands that were the most original and influential were Van Halen (already in) and Def Leppard. Those were the two biggest 80's commercial friendly hard rock bands.

 

[ivan brunetti]

This should be fun....

• Bon Jovi
• Kate Bush
• The Cars
• Depeche Mode
• Dire Straits
• Eurythmics
• J. Geils Band
• Judas Priest
• LL Cool J
• MC5
• The Meters
• Moody Blues
• Radiohead
• Rage Against the Machine
• Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
• Nina Simone
• Sister Rosetta Tharpe
• Link Wray
• The Zombies

https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/rock-hall-induction-nominees-2018-analysis/...pretty good analysis here

Listen some of these names do not even belong on the list. I do not even know Link Wray, The Meters., Sister Rosetta Tharpe or MC5. Rufus..come on. Nina Simone...this is rock and roll. I think she is going to get in as some politically correct move to include black artists who do not fit the genre. Its more of a pop culture music thing than rock and roll anymore

Bon Jovi should not be inducted. A big part is influence....like with Journey, I fail to see the influence there. Middle of the road no risk corporate rock should not be rewarded like that.

Kate Bush...maybe some day..very influential. Huge in homeland of Britain and Europe but not so much here save for Running Up That Hill which is an incredible song. She has influenced a lot of female artists like Tori Amos and Florence and the Machine but think that probably doesnt belong in the American rock and roll HOF

Depeche Mode....way ahead of their time and hugely influential. I will vote them in but can see why voters might not put them in

Eurythmics..most definitely. Annie Lennox big big impact on music and the group itself were pioneers of new wave and video...lots of artists influenced by them.

Radiohead are probably getting in, such a critics darling but I really think they are overrated.

Moody Blues might be the longevity artist to get in this year...certainly before the Zombies who would seem easy to discard

Rage Against The Machine...fusion of metal and rap/hip hop with a message if they do not get in this year its coming soon

LL Cool J...well rappers do get in because its not rock. He was one of the first to cross over into the mainstream so he has a shot if not this year soon.

J Geils Band...lots of posters want them in but I do not see. Same for the Cars..solid bands but hall of fame worthy not so much.

Dire Straits..no way.

Judas Priest...definitely intriguing and influential but are they really worthy



So If I had to pick 5.....

Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Rage Against The Machine
Moody Blues
Radiohead

will get in but shouldn't...Nina Simone

The fact that you don't know some of these names only speaks to your ignorance on the subject matter.

 

[demauroj]

Rage Against the Machine was my favorite band in HS. I'm no rock and roll HOF expert never figured they would be considered worthy.

They were extremely influential. Linkin park, Korn, Evenesence, Limp Bizkit, Muse, Slipknot, Avenged sevenfold, Incubus, Papa Roach, Deftones etc. Rage Practically spawned a sub-genre of music. Add to that Tom Morello who is up there in terms of guitar influences and you have a winner.

Just not this year.... but soon


The Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Radio Head
Dire Straits
Moody Blues. ( they Deserve it in terms of influence)

...and I am a fan of Jovi, but agree that they do not belong in the HOF.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

They were extremely influential. Linkin park, Korn, Evenesence, Limp Bizkit, Muse, Slipknot, Avenged sevenfold, Incubus, Papa Roach, Deftones etc. Rage Practically spawned a sub-genre of music. Add to that Tom Morello who is up there in terms of guitar influences and you have a winner.

Just not this year.... but soon


The Eurythmics
Depeche Mode
Radio Head
Dire Straits
Moody Blues. ( they Deserve it in terms of influence)

...and I am a fan of Jovi, but agree that they do not belong in the HOF.

But they weren't the 1st. Rage Against the Machine was a hip-hop band in which the music sound like Hip -Hop played by a metal band. This was called Nu-Metal (which NOT metal, but a sub-genre of Hip-Hop) crossover Rap, in this case crossing over with Hard Rock and Metal fan bases. Well, some Metal fans hated it mostly because of the stupid name, since Nu-Metal makes it sound like a metal sub-genre but it isn't.

The original band to go there was actually Faith No More. However, one can even go as far to say that the Beastie Boys really started it, since they even had the guitar player from Slayer do a solo on No Sleep Till Brooklyn in 1986! Even before that Run-D.M.C. was doing it even before that.

 

[HeyHuey]

That whole list is proof of actual shark jumping. The RRHOF has had its day.

They should add whoever their going to add and then shut it down after 2020. The hurricane is blown out after 65 years. They can open up the "Tin Ear Tone Def" museum and this generation can vote in any crap they want. It's never be like when you were young again.....

 

[HeyHuey]

The fact that you don't know some of these names only speaks to your ignorance on the subject matter.

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This album is still near the top of my all-time favorite list:


They belong in HOF. Not even up for debate in my mind.

 

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But they weren't the 1st. Rage Against the Machine was a hip-hop band in which the music sound like Hip -Hop played by a metal band. This was called Nu-Metal (which NOT metal, but a sub-genre of Hip-Hop) crossover Rap, in this case crossing over with Hard Rock and Metal fan bases. Well, some Metal fans hated it mostly because of the stupid name, since Nu-Metal makes it sound like a metal sub-genre but it isn't.

The original band to go there was actually Faith No More. However, one can even go as far to say that the Beastie Boys really started it, since they even had the guitar player from Slayer do a solo on No Sleep Till Brooklyn in 1986! Even before that Run-D.M.C. was doing it even before that.

good call on Faith No More, they originated long before Rage...albeit Rage was heavier in a different way, I think Faith No More is overlooked because they were out just before the grunge era really took off. Another band Living Colour is also overlooked for what they brought to hard rock and funk