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Politi: "Greg Schiano deserves a contract extension as Rutgers clears a major hurdle"

Steve was inspired by the question I asked during the live podcast and also the topic I raised this past summer on this board. Schiano is going to get his extension for his achievement and a job well done, 1 year ahead of schedule. He started at Rutgers when the stadium was empty. Now the stadium will be full for Ohio State. That alone justifies the increase and extension.

It is important to pay the market rate for valuable resources. Schiano has a unique set of skills that are more valuable to Rutgers than anyone else. He has had to work harder than other coaches because Rutgers lacks resources, most notably a state of the art Fieldhouse, which our peers already have. Very few coaches could have replicated what Schiano has achieved. Urban Meyer is one, but he’s not touching this job with a 100 foot pole, due to lack of resources.

Schiano will get his extension by the end of the year. It’s no longer a question of if. It’s a question of when.

You and Politi teaming up to recommend an extension isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for HC Schiano.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/politi-ash-has-earned-contract-extension.133280/

Who is paying for this extension? Donors? Athletic Department budget?
Wouldn't it make sense for that money to go towards NIL or the Fieldhouse - since HC Schiano is already under contract for 4 MORE years?
Why spend more now and take money away from those other important expenditures.
 
Need to separate complaints about the state of college football with what we should do with GS's contract. If we want to be competitive, we need to pay fair market rate for coaches...unless he is saying Rutgers should fall on it's sword and sacrifice our competitiveness to make a point about college contracts, then the answer is a new contract.
I look at it from the standpoint of Greg's next best alternative. Is someone going to hire him and give him a "better' deal? And if they do, will he uproot himself for that deal. He seems to be back home where he belongs. And for him, how much is "enough?" His 8 year contract (not including incentives) was $32 million. Maybe he and his agent should have had the foresight to include a clause for upward adjustment in salary to be at least at the median pay of similar programs (similar W-L records over previous 3-4 years).

Agree again with @rutgersguy1 , this handing out huge contracts and extensions for one season of results is ludicrous and time and time again has proven to be bad practice. The argument that this is what everybody else does does not justify doing it. Do something different. If Greg walks, that presents another opportunity to do even better.
 
Given that there's 4 years left on the contract, we could probably get by one more year before extending. But I don't think that it's smart to take chances with GS. Even if he wouldn't leave (and don't count your chickens), he is pouring his life blood into this rebuild. I'm sure he'd feel a undercut and deflated if he remained the lowest paid coach in the conference.
Fair point. We saw that with Flood. That MAY have contributed to his lack of effort, and going to the Counting Crows concerts instead of game-planning for the opening game of the season. But he had other issues besides being criminally underpaid ($725K/year to start after Greg was making north of $3M).
 
I look at it from the standpoint of Greg's next best alternative. Is someone going to hire him and give him a "better' deal? And if they do, will he uproot himself for that deal. He seems to be back home where he belongs. And for him, how much is "enough?" His 8 year contract (not including incentives) was $32 million. Maybe he and his agent should have had the foresight to include a clause for upward adjustment in salary to be at least at the median pay of similar programs (similar W-L records over previous 3-4 years).

Agree again with @rutgersguy1 , this handing out huge contracts and extensions for one season of results is ludicrous and time and time again has proven to be bad practice. The argument that this is what everybody else does does not justify doing it. Do something different. If Greg walks, that presents another opportunity to do even better.
agree!!!!!

we don't need to pay more for Greg or the product on the field. He's an average coach at best and no one is knocking down his door to poach him. Last year he had several games we should have won and didn't. This year it's the wisconsin game. We have zero qb depth, a kid that can't hit 50% of his throws and all the easy picking behind us.

Until greg manages the personnel better, manages the games better then we talk. right now he's beat up on down teams and easy marks, that is what he SHOULD be doing
 
By the way, I didn't specify what I thought about an "extension" per se. For me, I'd simply make sure he gets a decent bump in salary/bonuses and that he always has at least 5 years left on his contract, so that recruits know he's at least very likely going to be here for their entire time at Rutgers. I wouldn't necessarily try to extend him for an additional 8 years or something like that. But I think you'd have to agree he does not deserve to be the lowest paid coach in the B1G and he deserves to have that promised field house built.
Anyone can have any opinion, doesn't bother me. 180 opinion from me, so what...that's what this place is for, discussion and debate.

I'm always ambivalent about having a fixed number of years on a coach's contract. You're basically locking yourself into a fixed payout that never goes down (probably gets higher due to salary bumps) should the need to fire a coach come up. These days with portal, I think it's even less needed. Forget about a coach being there for a player's career, a player might not want to be here for their whole career. Also coaches leave all the time with many years left in their contract so it doesn't really mean much in practice. A coach can tap the portal as needed too and a new coach can do the same as well. Roster building is a little more flexible than the past so guaranteeing "in perpetuity" a fixed length on a contract isn't something I'd endorse.

As far pay bump, incentivize along the lines of the example I gave above. You win you get paid quite a bit more and if you don't win then you don't. Pushing a salary up becomes more performance based rather than guessing game.
 
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Is Greg even going to push for an Immediate contract bump? I’m not so sure You can just sense when he talks that he really is in this for Rutgers - this job has become his legacy. He knows it - Rutgers knows it and he’s eventually going to get his due. There is no need to rush it as far as I can see.
 
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You and Politi teaming up to recommend an extension isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for HC Schiano.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/politi-ash-has-earned-contract-extension.133280/

Who is paying for this extension? Donors? Athletic Department budget?
Wouldn't it make sense for that money to go towards NIL or the Fieldhouse - since HC Schiano is already under contract for 4 MORE years?
Why spend more now and take money away from those other important expenditures.
We’re getting 70-80M this year, as part of the Big Tens media distribution, plus with increased revenue from ticket sales, there’s more than enough revenue to pay for it. We are going to build the Fieldhouse and pay Schiano right. NIL is out of scope for the school.
 
Is Greg even going to push for an Immediate contract bump? I’m not so sure You can just sense when he talks that he really is in this for Rutgers - this job has become his legacy. He knows it - Rutgers knows it and he’s eventually going to get his due. There is no need to rush it as far as I can see.
His agent has been pushing since last year.
 
His agent has been pushing since last year.

It’s an agent’s job to do that. Greg wants to do what’s best for Rutgers. I really believe that at this point. His ego is important to him, and financially he’s set regardless. This is going to be about his legacy now. He’s not leaving until it’s on his terms and he’ll have a say in who takes his place. Plus some kind of back end role in the program when he eventually retires. Good programs all have their versions of what he’s becoming. It’s not a bad narrative to have.

He’s not going to push too hard unless our admin comes in as a willing participant. Politi loves him though. It’s hard to be too annoyed at him for this article. Going to bat for him. His podcast following Schiano’s rehire was legendary.
 
Anyone can have any opinion, doesn't bother me. 180 opinion from me, so what...that's what this place is for, discussion and debate.

I'm always ambivalent about having a fixed number of years on a coach's contract. You're basically locking yourself into a fixed payout that never goes down (probably gets higher due to salary bumps) should the need to fire a coach come up. These days with portal, I think it's even less needed. Forget about a coach being there for a player's career, a player might not want to be here for their whole career. Also coaches leave all the time with many years left in their contract so it doesn't really mean much in practice. A coach can tap the portal as needed too and a new coach can do the same as well. Roster building is a little more flexible than the past so guaranteeing "in perpetuity" a fixed length on a contract isn't something I'd endorse.

As far pay bump, incentivize along the lines of the example I gave above. You win you get paid quite a bit more and if you don't win then you don't. Pushing a salary up becomes more performance based rather than guessing game.
No issue at all with differing opinions, even if yours is wrong (just kidding - an old joke - ask @mildone). Not much use for a message board where everyone agrees. I don't actually think we're 180 degrees apart, though. I agree that performance-based pay is very important, but so is base pay and I do think Greg simply shouldn't be at the bottom of the B1G.

I also don't love these crazy long term contracts, in general, but on the 5-year thing, I would say Greg makes a bigger point than almost any coach about coaching to win football games, plus teaching these players quite a bit about becoming responsible adults and I think loyalty and "being there" are more important for Greg and many of the players he recruits than it is elsewhere (even with the portal).
 
I know its a bye week, but I think its contrary to Greg's message of focusing on the job at hand to announce a contract extension right now. The use of CHOP, being 1-0 in the Ohio State season, etc. all emphasize focus on the job at hand and putting all your effort into completing that job without distractions. There will be time to talk about contractual issues after the Maryland game. Right now focus should be the Buckeyes.
 
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I know its a bye week, but I think its contrary to Greg's message of focusing on the job at hand to announce a contract extension right now. The use of CHOP, being 1-0 in the Ohio State season, etc. all emphasize focus on the job at hand and putting all your effort into completing that job without distractions. There will be time to talk about contractual issues after the Maryland game. Right now focus should be the Buckeyes.
The expectation is that it will be handled in the offseason. Plus his hand will be further strengthened if we can win at least one of the remaining games.
 
When is his current contract complete? Edit: nevermind, I see Nick posted it just before I posted.

Given he has 4 years left in his contract, I'd wait and see how next season goes. IIRC, he has incentives built into his existing contract so he gets extra money for getting into a bowl game (and even a bit more, if he wins it, no?).
I don’t think Schiano thinks or is asking for an extension . The reality in today’s world is he needs the contract to reflect not only to future HS recruits but also their families and yes even the 4-5 star transfers that will be here. Pretty certain there are still a number of posters who are hoping next season the team tanks. Could it ? However I don’t see that happening. They still won’t admit he was the correct choice just as Pikiell was in MBB.It’s Rutgers that’s what fans do .
 
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I know its a bye week, but I think its contrary to Greg's message of focusing on the job at hand to announce a contract extension right now. The use of CHOP, being 1-0 in the Ohio State season, etc. all emphasize focus on the job at hand and putting all your effort into completing that job without distractions. There will be time to talk about contractual issues after the Maryland game. Right now focus should be the Buckeyes.
This. I would be surprised if he’s focused on this at all right now. He knows he’s going to be taken care of financially.
 
No issue at all with differing opinions, even if yours is wrong (just kidding - an old joke - ask @mildone). Not much use for a message board where everyone agrees. I don't actually think we're 180 degrees apart, though. I agree that performance-based pay is very important, but so is base pay and I do think Greg simply shouldn't be at the bottom of the B1G.

I also don't love these crazy long term contracts, in general, but on the 5-year thing, I would say Greg makes a bigger point than almost any coach about coaching to win football games, plus teaching these players quite a bit about becoming responsible adults and I think loyalty and "being there" are more important for Greg and many of the players he recruits than it is elsewhere (even with the portal).
@rutgersguy1, #s must like you. Because he never tells me he's kidding when he tells me I'm wrong. And he tells me I'm wrong 99% of the time, and says I'm damn wrong the remaining 13% of the time.

When, in fact, I'm never actually wrong about anything. So don't trust his judgement. 🙂
 
He is already working on next year's out of conference games. he is confident he can find 4 worst than this years. add to that he has played some weak big ten teams. Politi is an ass. He is coaching Rutgers because no one else wanted him. Let
him keep this current
contract no one else wants him. Maybe he will realize RU is his home.
We only play 3 OOC games, not 4. There was nothing wrong with what we scheduled. One money game against an FCS. There’s nothing wrong with that. VTech is 3-4 and 2-1 in the ACC. Temple lost their QB after our game, but we still had the guts to schedule a home and home with a Group of 5 team. It’s not a world beater schedule, but for a team that hadn’t been bowling since 2014 playing in the BIG east it was more than fine.
 
You and Politi teaming up to recommend an extension isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for HC Schiano.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/politi-ash-has-earned-contract-extension.133280/

Who is paying for this extension? Donors? Athletic Department budget?
Wouldn't it make sense for that money to go towards NIL or the Fieldhouse - since HC Schiano is already under contract for 4 MORE years?
Why spend more now and take money away from those other important expenditures.
He has 4 years left. If he gets to 6 wins next year, we can extend him. It’s not going to impact recruiting at alll in the next 12 months
 
He is already working on next year's out of conference games. he is confident he can find 4 worst than this years. add to that he has played some weak big ten teams. Politi is an ass. He is coaching Rutgers because no one else wanted him. Let
him keep this current
contract no one else wants him. Maybe he will realize RU is his home.

As thing stand, by the end of the year he will have played the two top teams in the B1G West and the B1G East, the toughest division in the country. Weak in-conference schedule????
 
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He has 4 years left. If he gets to 6 wins next year, we can extend him. It’s not going to impact recruiting at alll in the next 12 months
Won't impact 2024 class, but will impact recruiting on 2025 and beyond class as it introduces uncertainty to those classes that coaches like Harbaugh, Franklin, Fickell, Locksley and others will jump on.
 
I look at it from the standpoint of Greg's next best alternative. Is someone going to hire him and give him a "better' deal? And if they do, will he uproot himself for that deal. He seems to be back home where he belongs. And for him, how much is "enough?" His 8 year contract (not including incentives) was $32 million. Maybe he and his agent should have had the foresight to include a clause for upward adjustment in salary to be at least at the median pay of similar programs (similar W-L records over previous 3-4 years).

Agree again with @rutgersguy1 , this handing out huge contracts and extensions for one season of results is ludicrous and time and time again has proven to be bad practice. The argument that this is what everybody else does does not justify doing it. Do something different. If Greg walks, that presents another opportunity to do even better.
knightshift, We tried this with the year of the flood and relegating Rutgers to the Ash heap....It was a disaster. Greg is a good coach but for Rutgers he is more valuable. I believe the Rutgers job is tougher than most of your P5 jobs because our governmental institutions are very strong relative to the boosters. I believe in most programs the boosters run the show but at Rutgers I think it is the institutions that are in control. Greg knows better than anyone how to navigate the NJ political landscape better than any coach. Because he grew up in NJ and his first stint at Rutgers he knows all the players that need to be known to propel Rutgers to the top.
 
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I look at it from the standpoint of Greg's next best alternative. Is someone going to hire him and give him a "better' deal? And if they do, will he uproot himself for that deal. He seems to be back home where he belongs. And for him, how much is "enough?" His 8 year contract (not including incentives) was $32 million. Maybe he and his agent should have had the foresight to include a clause for upward adjustment in salary to be at least at the median pay of similar programs (similar W-L records over previous 3-4 years).

Agree again with @rutgersguy1 , this handing out huge contracts and extensions for one season of results is ludicrous and time and time again has proven to be bad practice. The argument that this is what everybody else does does not justify doing it. Do something different. If Greg walks, that presents another opportunity to do even better.
Agree about not handing out huge contracts based on one flash of success. But disagree strongly that we shouldn't pay GS what he deserves, his fair market value, just because we know he doesn't want to move. Do we really want to give GS the business and put him over a barrel for a contract, just because we think we might be able to get away with it? Maybe his next best option is retiring and fishing in Florida all day instead of working for an institution that screws with him and embarrasses him instead of paying him what other coaches at a similar level make.
 
Agree about not handing out huge contracts based on one flash of success. But disagree strongly that we shouldn't pay GS what he deserves, his fair market value, just because we know he doesn't want to move. Do we really want to give GS the business and put him over a barrel for a contract, just because we think we might be able to get away with it? Maybe his next best option is retiring and fishing in Florida all day instead of working for an institution that screws with him and embarrasses him instead of paying him what other coaches at a similar level make.
Please, lets not make the mistake of giving HC GS the RU screw!
 
I think conventional "wisdom" these days is you want to show recruits that coach has 5 years or more as it shows the recruits commitment for their whole time on campus.

Has our 2024 recruiting crashed because he only has 4 years left?
Doesn't seem like it.

If a coach needs to always have 5 years then do results not matter?
HC Schiano needed an extension prior to the season? "For recruiting"?

Funny - nobody said HC Ash needed an extension after 2018 because he had less than 5 years on his contract.
 
As thing stand, by the end of the year he will have played the two top teams in the B1G West and the B1G East, the toughest division in the country. Weak in-conference schedule????
The top 2 in the West were/are beatable. The top THREE in the East are not.
 
Has our 2024 recruiting crashed because he only has 4 years left?
Doesn't seem like it.

If a coach needs to always have 5 years then do results not matter?
HC Schiano needed an extension prior to the season? "For recruiting"?

Funny - nobody said HC Ash needed an extension after 2018 because he had less than 5 years on his contract.
As I stated in the follow up to my original post, the 2024 class is not really affected, but that may not hold for 2025 and thereafter. Opposing coaches absolutely will weaponize that against Rutgers. Whether Rutgers wants to get ahead of that and counter is another issue. You can risk it either way in terms of not extending (which ultimately will negatively impact recruiting) or extending (and find that this year was a "one hit wonder" so you overpay and may need a large buyout (btw, there was an Ash extension after his one "competitive year")). Every AD and fan base has to grapple with these choices in today's environment. Choose wisely.
 
Agree about not handing out huge contracts based on one flash of success. But disagree strongly that we shouldn't pay GS what he deserves, his fair market value, just because we know he doesn't want to move. Do we really want to give GS the business and put him over a barrel for a contract, just because we think we might be able to get away with it? Maybe his next best option is retiring and fishing in Florida all day instead of working for an institution that screws with him and embarrasses him instead of paying him what other coaches at a similar level make.
Cue the violins for the guy making $4M/year getting screwed over on a contract he freely negotiated himself.
 
@rutgersguy1, #s must like you. Because he never tells me he's kidding when he tells me I'm wrong. And he tells me I'm wrong 99% of the time, and says I'm damn wrong the remaining 13% of the time.

When, in fact, I'm never actually wrong about anything. So don't trust his judgement. 🙂
While my judgment might be shaky, my spelling certainly isn't. You're in 'Merica - learn how to spell right.
 
Cue the violins for the guy making $4M/year getting screwed over on a contract he freely negotiated himself.
It’s not that he is getting screwed over, it’s where do we want out football program at. If there is anyone on this board that Greg hasn’t done a good job of turning around this program you need to readjust your expectations.
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The game is played that if you have a successful coach you lock him in for x number of years. If there is anyone who thinks Greg won’t be getting calls for his turnaround of Rutgers, you’re either high, drunk or both.
Now is the time to show our commitment to HCGS.
 
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Don't agree, it's a poor practice throughout CFB. Long term financial obligations off short term results. If a coach wants to leave let them as opposed to being stuck holding the bag if things turn south which they often do.

Look at the coach across the ball from this past week's game. Allen actually had 2 years of even better results and look at them now. He was 8-5/5-4 and 6-2/6-1 in the pandemic year and would've qualified for a 12 team playoff that year. They've fallen off a cliff since and would owe him 20M if they fired him before the end of next year. 8M after that.

Mel Tucker off one good year, didn't even finish the year yet iirc before MSU fell over themselves to hand them a 95M dollar contract.

Jimbo at A&M had one good year and they re-extended a 10 year deal that had just barely started a year or 2 earlier lol and now would owe him 77M if they fire him.

Sam with Pittman at Ark. They just fired their OC too who just started a 3yr contract lol.

Orgeron at LSU after winning a national championship, as soon as his coordinators left it fell apart.

The list goes on and on. If they're so eager to throw money at the coaches feet then make it some annual bonus tied to wins and accomplishment rather than long term annual obligations. If the results drop then you're not stuck with massive obligations at least. Consistent results need to be seen before giving out long deals and you can't see consistent results until enough time passes.

You can give a big contract and not fully guarantee it either way. Let both parties leave the deal if they want, but you'll have to pay a premium for that.
 
It’s not that he is getting screwed over, it’s where do we want out football program at. If there is anyone on this board that Greg hasn’t done a good job of turning around this program you need to readjust your expectations.
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The game is played that if you have a successful coach you lock him in for x number of years. If there is anyone who thinks Greg won’t be getting calls for his turnaround of Rutgers, you’re either high, drunk or both.
Now is the time to show our commitment to HCGS.
Haha. Tell me who is chomping at the bit to hire Schiano? You most be the drunk guy in this thread.
 
How about we table this until at least after the season? Combined record of the teams we have beaten (not counting Wagner) is 12-24 with the highest ranked 74 out of 133 in the latest Athletic poll. He has done a nice job winning games we were supposed to win but still has 4 years left on his deal.

How about we rise to the occasion and upset either Iowa or Maryland? Both seem a little less daunting then they did a couple of weeks ago. Particularly Iowa given their offensive struggles.

As others have said, liberally handing out extensions to FB and BB HC's is part of the reason why there is so much turmoil in college athletics about who is getting what from the revenue generated. This needs to stop although I doubt it will absent an intervention from a higher authority.
 
Cue the violins for the guy making $4M/year getting screwed over on a contract he freely negotiated himself.
he got what he was worth, but lower than what a B1G HC that was sought after would demand
He negotiated the best contract he could get and with help from the fanbase.
What Hobbs was offering wouldn't have the best of show running to Rutgers.
I'm all for extending, just want the years extended not part of a buyout until the original 8 years is up.
As for the money, add bigger, bonuses for making bowl games to the 4 mil.
After next year then add bucks to salary if another bowl eligibility is obtained
 
While my judgment might be shaky, my spelling certainly isn't. You're in 'Merica - learn how to spell right.
Wait. I cite percentages that, combined, add up to 112% and it's the one-letter typo you're complaining about?

And remember, I'm NEVER wrong. It's not a "judg", it's a "judge". The dictionary is spelling it incorrectly. In terms you will understand, the dictionary is WRONG!
 
Mike Locksley @ Maryland gets 5.5m/yr

PJ Fleck @ Minnesota gets 6m/yr

Bret Bielema @ Illinois gets 6.5m/yr

Luke Fickell @ Wisconsin gets 7.5m/yr

Kirk Firentz gets $7m/yr

You have to pay what the market rate is.

My guess is Schiano is worth around 5 to 6m/yr.
 
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