President Holloway to Yale?

[HPNJRUfan]

This article mentions that Holloway's desire to leave RU to become President at Yale has been an "open secret for months". Now, it also contains quotes from multiple disgruntled faculty - so I hope this thread doesn't go down that road - but it is the Yale paper, so I assume there is some mutual interest... This is the first I've heard of this and I know that Holloway has been generally positive for Athletics... Thoughts?

https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2024...-rutgers-faculty-would-be-glad-to-see-him-go/

 

[Eagleton96]

Holloway in a speech to the whole University community said, basically: I've been amazed at how much parochial cynicism and negativity exists at this place.

Meanwhile...

The Governor forced an unsustainable outcome on the University in the faculty strike, significantly raising salary expenses. To make it palatable he offered Rutgers money, I think for a year, to cover the added salary costs. But no ongoing money to cover the permanent structural deficit. Meanwhile, the State has dictated that the cost of fringe benefits that Rutgers must provide employees has gone up every year. Several years ago the fringe benefit rate was in the 40% range. Now it's up to 76% of salary. Let that sink in. For every $1 they pay to someone in take-home pay, they have to pay the State $.76 for their benefits. That in addition to the cost of providing office space, IT, legal...the overhead is huge.

Meanwhile, like the sun rising in the morning, it's only a matter of time before they have to raise tuition and those same politicians that forced the unsustainable labor costs onto Rutgers will rake Rutgers over the coals due to tuition costs. And then someone will gripe about the football team expenses (without looking at revenues).

So Rutgers is in a long term fiscal structural crunch.

Who would want this job if you have better options?

 

[Knight Shift]

Holloway in a speech to the whole University community said, basically: I've been amazed at how much parochial cynicism and negativity exists at this place.

Meanwhile...

The Governor forced an unsustainable outcome on the University in the faculty strike, significantly raising salary expenses. To make it palatable he offered Rutgers money, I think for a year, to cover the added salary costs. But no ongoing money to cover the permanent structural deficit. Meanwhile, the State has dictated that the cost of fringe benefits that Rutgers must provide employees has gone up every year. Several years ago the fringe benefit rate was in the 40% range. Now it's up to 76% of salary. Let that sink in. For every $1 they pay to someone in take-home pay, they have to pay the State $.76 for their benefits. That in addition to the cost of providing office space, IT, legal...the overhead is huge.

Meanwhile, like the sun rising in the morning, it's only a matter of time before they have to raise tuition and those same politicians that forced the unsustainable labor costs onto Rutgers will rake Rutgers over the coals due to tuition costs. And then someone will gripe about the football team expenses (without looking at revenues).

So Rutgers is in a long term fiscal structural crunch.

Who would want this job if you have better options?

Is Yale a better option? They are in the news a lot lately, and it is not favorable.

 

[Eagleton96]

Is Yale a better option? They are in the news a lot lately, and it is not favorable.

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He has those same problems here, plus here he has to deal with an insane union, craven legislature, bloodthirsty media, cynical university culture, and a structural deficit.

 

[Knight Shift]

He has those same problems here, plus here he has to deal with an insane union, craven legislature, bloodthirsty media, cynical university culture, and a structural deficit.

Maybe I missed it. Any source on violent anti-Jewish protests at Rutgers? I'd rather be hung and quartered than take a leadership role at an Ivy school. As always, opinions vary and each place has tradeoffs.

 

[mdk01]

Maybe I missed it. Any source on violent anti-Jewish protests at Rutgers? I'd rather be hung and quartered than take a leadership role at an Ivy school. As always, opinions vary and each place has tradeoffs.

No violent protests at Yale that I'm aware of, but if he thinks he would leave strident faculty unions back at Rutgers he's kidding himself.

 

[Plum Street]

If this happens, I propose schiano as university president/HC

 

[retired711]

No violent protests at Yale that I'm aware of, but if he thinks he would leave strident faculty unions back at Rutgers he's kidding himself.

Holloway was the Dean of Yale College -- he's a natural candidate for Yale's presidency. He's also 57, an age at which a lot of people want their capstone job.

If he gets the job, he will have been at Rutgers for four years. That's short, but not extraordinarily so for a university president.

Yale has unions, but the teaching assistants are the only unionized faculty. That's a lot easier for a university president than Rutgers, where the tenured/tenure track/part-time faculty are all in the same union as the teaching assistants.

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/sta...gement-relations/labor-unions-yale-university

 

[Eagleton96]

Holloway was the Dean of Yale College -- he's a natural candidate for Yale's presidency. He's also 57, an age at which a lot of people want their capstone job.

If he gets the job, he will have been at Rutgers for four years. That's short, but not extraordinarily so for a university president.

Yale has unions, but the teaching assistants are the only unionized faculty. That's a lot easier for a university president than Rutgers, where the tenured/tenure track/part-time faculty are all in the same union as the teaching assistants.

https://your.yale.edu/work-yale/sta...gement-relations/labor-unions-yale-university

Also, negotiating with the faculty at Yale does not involve dealing with the Governor, the legislature, or a local media addicted to negative Rutgers stories. And they pool of money they have to deal with griping faculty is huge.

 

[UMRU]

Holloway in a speech to the whole University community said, basically: I've been amazed at how much parochial cynicism and negativity exists at this place.

Meanwhile...

The Governor forced an unsustainable outcome on the University in the faculty strike, significantly raising salary expenses. To make it palatable he offered Rutgers money, I think for a year, to cover the added salary costs. But no ongoing money to cover the permanent structural deficit. Meanwhile, the State has dictated that the cost of fringe benefits that Rutgers must provide employees has gone up every year. Several years ago the fringe benefit rate was in the 40% range. Now it's up to 76% of salary. Let that sink in. For every $1 they pay to someone in take-home pay, they have to pay the State $.76 for their benefits. That in addition to the cost of providing office space, IT, legal...the overhead is huge.

Meanwhile, like the sun rising in the morning, it's only a matter of time before they have to raise tuition and those same politicians that forced the unsustainable labor costs onto Rutgers will rake Rutgers over the coals due to tuition costs. And then someone will gripe about the football team expenses (without looking at revenues).

So Rutgers is in a long term fiscal structural crunch.

Who would want this job if you have better options?

You definitely nailed some of the huge challenges at Rutgers, especially for the research mission. Holloway really hurt his image by agreeing to pay for the raises given to graduate student and postdoctoral fellows but then failing to follow through, leaving departments and institute scrambling for funds. Also, his less than urgent approach to finding a way to manage the fringe rate has been extremely frustrating.

BTW, the increases for grad student, postdocs and job security for adjunct professors were in line or below what nearly all other R1 institutes pay.

 

[mdk01]

No violent protests at Yale that I'm aware of, but if he thinks he would leave strident faculty unions back at Rutgers he's kidding himself.

I spoke too soon. 40 arrested in New Haven this morning

 

[Eagleton96]

You definitely nailed some of the huge challenges at Rutgers, especially for the research mission. Holloway really hurt his image by agreeing to pay for the raises given to graduate student and postdoctoral fellows but then failing to follow through, leaving departments and institute scrambling for funds. Also, his less than urgent approach to finding a way to manage the fringe rate has been extremely frustrating.

BTW, the increases for grad student, postdocs and job security for adjunct professors were in line or below what nearly all other R1 institutes pay.

Thanks. Do you have any data/citations for the claim that what RU pays adjuncts and grad students is now (was previously below) what other R1 institutions pay? That's a key point. A lot of the headlines locally and nationally about the strike was that RU was the first to offer such lucrative support to adjunct faculty and people would be watching to see what our peer competitors do.

In other words, my impression was that the new deal was making RU an uncompetitive high expense outlier.

 

[T2Kplus20]

I spoke too soon. 40 arrested in New Haven this morning

All of higher ed is a cesspool. The faculty and students are both the problems. The bigger the university, the bigger the challenge. Makes sense for Holloway to want to downsize.

 

[Knight Shift]

I spoke too soon. 40 arrested in New Haven this morning

I was scratching my head at your first response, and was going to meme with Nothing to See Here.

 

[Section124]

He probably read the pizza thread and saw New Haven pizza is better. 😀

 

[newell138]

No violent protests at Yale that I'm aware of, but if he thinks he would leave strident faculty unions back at Rutgers he's kidding himself.

Jewish Yale student jabbed in eye with flag pole by anti-Israel protesters - exclusive

The student noted that she had seen signs of Walid Daqqah, the recently-deceased terrorist who was part of a cell that kidnapped, tortured and murdered IDF soldier Moshe Tamam in 1984.

www.jpost.com

 

[newell138]

He'd fit right in with his enabling of racist speech by faculty

 

[RuSnp]

If this happens, I propose schiano as university president/HC

No. Joe Susan is the pick.

 

[DJ Spanky]

I wonder if they could lure Barchi out of retirement.

 

[retired711]

Thanks. Do you have any data/citations for the claim that what RU pays adjuncts and grad students is now (was previously below) what other R1 institutions pay? That's a key point. A lot of the headlines locally and nationally about the strike was that RU was the first to offer such lucrative support to adjunct faculty and people would be watching to see what our peer competitors do.

In other words, my impression was that the new deal was making RU an uncompetitive high expense outlier.

I don't know the data you're seeking, but keep in mind that we are in an exceptionally high-cost area.

My guess (and it's just that) is that the state's formula for how much Rutgers must reimburse it for fringes is a higher cost item than the pay raises -- keep in mind that it's the state, not Rutgers, that determines what fringes are received by Rutgers faculty and staff, e.g. the health care coverage is through the state, not through Rutgers.

 

[bac2therac]

Maybe I missed it. Any source on violent anti-Jewish protests at Rutgers? I'd rather be hung and quartered than take a leadership role at an Ivy school. As always, opinions vary and each place has tradeoffs.

Rutgers employs pro hamas professors

 

[GORU2014]

Holloway in a speech to the whole University community said, basically: I've been amazed at how much parochial cynicism and negativity exists at this place.

Meanwhile...

The Governor forced an unsustainable outcome on the University in the faculty strike, significantly raising salary expenses. To make it palatable he offered Rutgers money, I think for a year, to cover the added salary costs. But no ongoing money to cover the permanent structural deficit. Meanwhile, the State has dictated that the cost of fringe benefits that Rutgers must provide employees has gone up every year. Several years ago the fringe benefit rate was in the 40% range. Now it's up to 76% of salary. Let that sink in. For every $1 they pay to someone in take-home pay, they have to pay the State $.76 for their benefits. That in addition to the cost of providing office space, IT, legal...the overhead is huge.

Meanwhile, like the sun rising in the morning, it's only a matter of time before they have to raise tuition and those same politicians that forced the unsustainable labor costs onto Rutgers will rake Rutgers over the coals due to tuition costs. And then someone will gripe about the football team expenses (without looking at revenues).

So Rutgers is in a long term fiscal structural crunch.

Who would want this job if you have better options?

76% is incredibly high. Even 40% is on the upper limit of what I’d normally expect

 

[RUTGERS95]

Presidents come and go too fast, not a good thing for any university. That said, Holloway is not wrong in his view

 

[RUTGERS95]

Rutgers employs pro hamas professors

tenure at universities need to be reexamined

 

[Eagleton96]

I don't know the data you're seeking, but keep in mind that we are in an exceptionally high-cost area.

My guess (and it's just that) is that the state's formula for how much Rutgers must reimburse it for fringes is a higher cost item than the pay raises -- keep in mind that it's the state, not Rutgers, that determines what fringes are received by Rutgers faculty and staff, e.g. the health care coverage is through the state, not through Rutgers.

I'm not so sure about that. The extension of benefits and pay increases to grad students and adjuncts was huge. Not dismissing the fringe rates either. That was also huge.

Frankly in both cases it was the State, not Rutgers, making the decisions on these increases.

 

[RU Cheese]

If this happens, I propose schiano as university president/HC

Why? I'd much rather put Plum in that spot

 

[Eagleton96]

Rutgers employs pro hamas professors

And presumably professors who espouse pro violent Israeli settler views or who advocate for more Israel territorial expansion. And probably most schools do, although not as high profile as here...in no small part due to the fact that Rutgers has higher than average populations of Jews and Muslims.

 

[jakeknight]

The AAUP at RU has always been an incredibly self serving group, that was more than willing to “eat their young”.they’d always negotiate raises based on straight percentages so tenured faculty always made out 4 or 5% at 100k plus always trumped 4-5% at 40 to 60k, basically the AAUP negotiating committee sold the TA’s and the jr faculty down the river, and then duplicity complained about the inability to retain TA’s and jr faculty.
Plus a great deal of the faculty has no idea what it’s like to live in the real world, thus you end up with an insulated self serving group that’s difficult to deal with and rarely willing to consider reality. I suspect that’s not unique to Rutgers, but one could see how Hollaway who must live with reality could get tired of faculty BS. rather quickly

 

[vic_torre42]

Is Yale a better option? They are in the news a lot lately, and it is not favorable.

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Holy moly that’s some awful stuff. 😔

-vic

 

[Salvi's Headband]

Is Yale a better option? They are in the news a lot lately, and it is not favorable.

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A $40 billion endowment can solve a lot of problems.

 

[MrsScrew]

Maybe I missed it. Any source on violent anti-Jewish protests at Rutgers? I'd rather be hung and quartered than take a leadership role at an Ivy school. As always, opinions vary and each place has tradeoffs.

yeppers:

Holloway & the Jewish students had to be escorted out of one:

Rutgers University president flees with police after anti-Israel protesters shut him down

***

www.haaretz.com

intimidation of Jewish students:

Jewish freshman’s face plastered on anti-Israel flyers at Rutgers in act of ‘unabated antisemitism’

Rivka Schafer, a freshman from New Jersey, noticed the flyers plastered throughout the Demarest Hall dorm, including on their door when they woke up Thursday morning.

nypost.com

Rutgers being investigated for blatant anti Semitism

House GOP says it's investigating 'pervasive' antisemitism at Rutgers University

The House Education and Workforce Committee announced the probe this week, saying Rutgers had "failed to protect Jewish students."

www.northjersey.com

 

[angmo]

Good riddance to this vaxtard, racist.

 

[retired711]

The AAUP at RU has always been an incredibly self serving group, that was more than willing to “eat their young”.they’d always negotiate raises based on straight percentages so tenured faculty always made out 4 or 5% at 100k plus always trumped 4-5% at 40 to 60k, basically the AAUP negotiating committee sold the TA’s and the jr faculty down the river, and then duplicity complained about the inability to retain TA’s and jr faculty.
Plus a great deal of the faculty has no idea what it’s like to live in the real world, thus you end up with an insulated self serving group that’s difficult to deal with and rarely willing to consider reality. I suspect that’s not unique to Rutgers, but one could see how Hollaway who must live with reality could get tired of faculty BS. rather quickly

Your first sentence is incorrect. For years, the AAUP has been demanding and getting pay increases based on numbers, not percentages. I guess it's a matter of opinion whether the AAUP sold TAs and juniors down the river, but there is little factual basis for it.

 

[retired711]

He'd fit right in with his enabling of racist speech by faculty

As I've pointed out elsewhere, the Rutgers administration is restrained by the First Amendment because this is a public university -- and the First Amendment protects all kinds of vile speech. A better question is whether Rutgers has done enough to restrain conduct based on bigotry or racism.

 

[Eagleton96]

As I've pointed out elsewhere, the Rutgers administration is restrained by the First Amendment because this is a public university -- and the First Amendment protects all kinds of vile speech. A better question is whether Rutgers has done enough to restrain conduct based on bigotry or racism.

MAGAs think the first amendment only applies to them.

 

[Knight Shift]

MAGAs think the first amendment only applies to them.

The current administration doesn't believe the first amendment exists. Used to be the party of free speech. And they continue to defend their flimsy positions and lose in federal courts. Shameful. Creeping authoritarianism.

 

[bac2therac]

And presumably professors who espouse pro violent Israeli settler views or who advocate for more Israel territorial expansion. And probably most schools do, although not as high profile as here...in no small part due to the fact that Rutgers has higher than average populations of Jews and Muslims.

Wow..no its not the same wow

 

[retired711]

Wow..no its not the same wow

It's irrelevant whether the comment you are responding to is true or not. What is relevant is that Rutgers is a public institution; that the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech applies; and that the First Amendment protects lots of speech that you and I would agree is just awful.

 

[jaydogsmooth1]

How would it affect athletics?

 

[bac2therac]

It's irrelevant whether the comment you are responding to is true or not. What is relevant is that Rutgers is a public institution; that the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech applies; and that the First Amendment protects lots of speech that you and I would agree is just awful.

Yep Brittany Cooper for starters

But i guarantee speech in 2020 against the blm sham would have people losing jobs