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Remember when we went 9-4 with Flood?

Many of us knew this. Many of us were shot down. Some of us were banned because others here didn't want to hear the truth about Kyle Flood.
Just don't do the same to those who feel Ash might not be a good hire.
Seems like if they supported Flood or not they are called Floodies when they claim Ash didn't do a good job this season.
I think what happened to you and the other anti-Flood crowd is happening to those who have decided Ash isn't right for the job and some try to shoot them down.

For the record, I supported Flood until his last season and shot people down that were bashing him endlessly and even more than that every day after he went 8-4 in 2014. But joined the Flood must go movement in 2015 when his antics along with the lack of discipline the team had started showing.
Now I feel Ash might be treated unfairly by some, but the same who were treated unfairly because of their criticism of Flood are starting to do the same to the Ash can't crowd.
I think Ash need 2 more years before he will prove to be a good choice or need to be replaced.
I'm sure if it's he needs to be replaced, there will be some posters reminding us they told us so from the beginning [winking]
 
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The Kent State game was the 1st sign that things were not right. He was a terrible HC.
The massive decommits proved he was a terrible recruiter.
When those two things happen, I think people knew we were doomed, not firing him at that point was digging ourselves a larger and deeper hole and it would just make it harder and harder for the next HC to fix it.

People keep holding on to the "but, he is a nice guy" bit.

The off the field problems killed that one as well.
By far the Kent State game began his unraveling. That continued through the bowl game loss to VaTech in that season. The following year, the cracks in axles grew wider until the wheels came off. Next two seasons, the duct tape didn't hold. Now we have no axles and we are getting grinded on the asphalt by the rest of the B1G. I tried to keep it positive and support Flood, but it is very clear, we are in bad shape right now based on things that occurred under him.
 
We aren't trending up yet. But discipline and work ethic have been restored in the culture of the program. A few more bad apples need to be weeded out over the next year or so but they likely will by attrition. Much like in the movie Necessary Roughness, this season was victory because there were no major off the field issues with current players or coaching staff. We would have to go back at least 4 or more years to find a football season like that.

This concerns me...one positive of the past season has been no off the field headlines
 
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Just don't do the same to those who feel Ash might not be a good hire.
Seems like if they supported Flood or not they are called Floodies when they claim Ash didn't do a good job this season.
I think what happened to you and the other anti-Flood crowd is happening to those who have decided Ash isn't right for the job and some try to shoot them down.

Remember one thing: I gave Flood 1.5 years to prove something to us. It wasn't until the off field issues - some of which people here still won't believe - combined with the on-field and recruiting issues, that I began to speak out.

We all know who the real "Floodies" are and who the guys are who just, well, think they know everything and have bitched about everything, from Day 1, for 3 regimes now. I don't call anyone a "floodie" unless it's been well earned, I promise, lol!
 
This concerns me...one positive of the past season has been no off the field headlines

There are always going to be some "bad apples," unfortunately, but especially when there are regime changes, sometimes, they just don't rear their heads immediately. I have full faith in Ash to do the right things if, where, and when needed in this area.
 
@RU2055 check out this thread. There's a poster attempting to claim that nobody ever pointed out the talent issues while Flood was here NOR at the beginning of the season. Hysterical!

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...st-team-in-all-cfb.114195/page-2#post-2492036

I have supported every coach RU has hired for the last 40 years. I felt it was important to give each every chance to succeed. My personal belief is that virtually every football coach should be given enough time to succeed or fail with HIS players - 4 or 5 years.That includes Coach Ash. I remain a positive supporter.

I confess I gave Frank Burns more time, because I thought he was a talented coach, and I stuck with Coach Schiano throughout his tenure - including some of the later years in which he "underachieved' in searching for the right methodology.

I am in fact proud of that; even though Anderson was fired, Graber was fired, Shea was fired, and Flood was fired. I am satisfied that they were all given a reasonable chance to show what they could do, and I supported them completely even when it became clear there were obvious deficiencies that probably would not allow them to succeed at RU.

I could never act as you did and spend my time trying to torpedo every effort of a coach to succeed. You obviously felt very comfortable trying to undermine a coach's effort, and I see that is just a reflection on the type of character you have. Of course you see it as something else.

My feelings about that are enhanced by your continual need to emphasize just how right you think you were in "hating on" our former coach - even a full year after he was let go. I suppose it will be interesting to see how long you feel the need to brag that up to enhance your image - could it turn into decades?.

You obviously have a boatload of supporters who also are using Coach Flood's failure to convince other posters how "smart" they are.

It is what it is. I am proud of how I have conducted myself, and you are proud of "being right". Of course you think I was wrong for supporting these coaches, but I do not see that as being the real issue.

There were times when I thought all of the coaches who were let go might be able to succeed. I turned out to be overly optimistic in all those situations, but I am not really embarrassed by it. I had high hopes, but my optimism was unfounded - or wrong, if you prefer. I don't really have a problem with being wrong; I only have a problem with being close-minded. But we each have our own values.

Feel free to call me a "Floodie". I don't really give a sh*t what your definition is. I have been called far worse. IMO it is a childish attempt to enhance your own image; but if it floats your boat, go for it.
 
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I have supported every coach RU has hired for the last 40 years. I felt it was important to give each every chance to succeed. My personal belief is that virtually every football coach should be given enough time to succeed or fail with HIS players - 4 or 5 years..

I confess I gave Frank Burns more time, because I thought he was a talented coach, and I stuck with Coach Schiano throughout his reign - including some of the later years in which he "underachieved' in searching for the right methodology.

I am in fact proud of that; even though Anderson was fired, Graber was fired, Shea was fired, and Flood was fired. I am satisfied that they were all given a reasonable chance to show what they could do, and I supported them completely even when it became clear there were obvious deficiencies that would not allow them to succeed at RU.

I could never act as you did and spend my time trying to torpedo every effort of a coach to succeed. You obviously felt very comfortable trying to undermine a coach's effort, and I see that is just a reflection on the type of character you have. Of course you see it as something else.

My feelings about that are enhanced by your continual need to emphasize just how right you think you were in "hating on" our former coach - even a full year after he was let go. I suppose it will be interesting to see how long you feel the need to brag that up to enhance your image.

You obviously have a boatload of supporters who also are using Coach Flood's failure to convince other posters how "smart" they are.

It is what it is. I am proud of how I have conducted myself, and you are proud of "being right". Of course you think I was wrong for supporting these coaches, but I do not see that as being the real issue.

There were times when I thought all of the coaches who were let go might be able to succeed. I turned out to be overly optimistic in all those situations, but I am not that embarrassed by it. I had high hopes, but my optimism was misplaced - or wrong, if you prefer. I don't really have a problem with being wrong; I only have a problem with being close-minded. But we each have our own values.

Are you done patting yourself on the back now?

Maybe - just maybe - if some had listened to myself and others, initially, a lot of the b.s. that ensued on these boards wouldn't have reached the levels which it did. Instead, however, the minute I went from being a "cheerleader," to speaking the TRUTH, speaking REALISTICALLY, about the FACT that there were things going on behind-the-scenes - that Flood and Flood only was responsible for - and that his recruiting was going to kill us down the road, half of this board turned on myself AND others. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, it was me who took the brunt of the abuse from this board. People constantly jamming the bullshit "but he's a good guy" line down our throats. People claiming that I was "full of shit," and "making stuff up," the list goes on, to the point where I got banned for doing absolutely NOTHING BUT SPEAKING THE TRUTH. People like you, bitching to John, week-after-week, despite me not uttering a single word that was false, about Flood or anything else, EVER, on these boards.

I've supported EVERY coach hired here, for EVERY sport, from Day 1 and always will, however, like you, I'm not going to stick my head in the sand for the "sake of the program" when, IN FACT, the reason I turned on Flood WAS "for the sake of the program." Many of us saw/heard/knew what was going on behind the scenes, in recruiting, and on the field, and didn't like it at the time or for the future. He was slowly destroying everything that Greg worked so damn hard to build and some of you were BLIND to the fact. Sorry if that bothers you, buddy, but too freakin' bad.

I SPEAK THE TRUTH on these boards. Always have, do now, and always will. Like it or not, too bad, I really don't give a damn. I also was 100% BEHIND COACH FLOOD until October of 2013, or about 1.5 years into his "leadership," and would have continued to be so if he wasn't in the midst of creating the disaster that soon came to fruition.

"Undermining"? Nope, not at all, was being a "loyal son," that's all, but you and your ilk chose - and still choose - not to see it that way. Trust me there were things that I could have blown open - things that somewhat came to fruition in the past year or so - 3+ years ago, on these boards, but chose not to do so at the time FOR THE PROGRAM'S sake. Not for Kyle's, trust me, but because I love, first-and-foremost, this and all of our athletic programs, along with the unversity itself.

The next time you want to talk about my "character," or anything else as such, feel free to say it to my face. . Who on God's Green Earth do you think you are, anyway? Have I EVER attacked you as such? No. What an arrogant, self-delusional ass you are, sir, and I say that with ALL due respect.

Peace
 
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. You can't tell me that anyone would have predicted this fiasco. Blame it on flood if it makes you feel better, but no one expected this ,and hat includes dobbs..

If you looked at OL/DL recruiting you could see the implosion coming. Year after year of slim pickings. I consider lineman the most important recruits and RU has been bad at getting enough of them for a long time.
 
Anyone who didn't see this result coming must have been avoiding all articles during the preseason and had everyone here who predicted 2-3 wins on ignore. We saw 2-3 wins for this year before Flood was fired. Anyone who actually saw the games last year when Carroo wasn't playing must have notice that we were in deep, deep trouble. Anyone who saw CL play even in the pro-set and the fact that none of the other QBs were being developed must have know we were in deep trouble.Anyone who has been paying even a tiny bit of attention to recruiting while Flood was here saw this coming years ahead of time.

I honestly think that only the most causal fans or people who just wanted their boy to get hired over Ash or wished that Flood was still here are shocked or happy about the results.

The rest of us KNEW that Ash was hired to do a complete and total overhaul of the program from the ground up. Flood destroyed everything that GS build here, we are basically starting over again. People need to wake up to this fact.
 
I hope Ash succeeds but as of right now all he has proven to me is that he's a better recruiter than Flood. I truly believe that if Floods team was at full strength last year (no suspension, no arrests) they finish 2015 with a 7-5 record (guaranteed). This year he would have finished the year with 5 wins but a far worse recruiting class.

I keep telling everyone to always point the finger where it belongs for the teams performance. Yep you got it "The University". Not Coach Flood or Coach Ash for that matter. If the school really wanted to make us relevant they would have hired a coach and assistants with experience. Instead, they once again cheaped out (by design) and gave us a 5 year project with no real guarantees. Trust me, in 2018 we'll be calling for Ash's head.
 
the kids are still tackling up high, taking wrong angles, not filling gaps, pressing out when they should in etc etc etc....this is coaching, not talent

Ash will go down as the worst coach in RU history. Once the HS coaches turn fully, kiss his tenure good bye
 
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the kids are still tackling up high, taking wrong angles, not filling gaps, pressing out when they should in etc etc etc....this is coaching, not talent

Ash will go down as the worst coach in RU history. Once the HS coaches turn fully, kiss his tenure good bye

Easily the most clueless posters in RU history. How you missed 3 years worth of threads about Flood's recruiting issues, and how it was depleting our rosters of talent, is beyond me. You likely don't even realize how incredibly thin we're going to be on both the OL and DL next year, do ya'?
 
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Ash will get this thing figured out.It probably won't show in next year's record with Washington still on the schedule and Nebraska on it as well,but things will look drastically better in 2018.
 
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