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[RedSpartan]

On the USA Today Misery Index...

"Outside of Virginia, this feels like the most inevitable coaching change of the year. Kyle Flood is overmatched in the Big Ten and has been outscored 108-34 by the three teams that matter in Rutgers’ division (Penn State, Michigan State and Ohio State) with Michigan still to come."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...georgia-nebraska-duke-texas-rutgers/75002324/

 

[Rutgers Man 22]

Too bad people outside our bubble here don't realize Flood's firing is about as likely as Nick Saban's

 

[withoutregard]

MUST READ, in part it says, "The good news at this stage of the season is that the only embarrassing headlines for the last few weeks have been related to the football team’s performance. Compared to attempted academic fraud by the head coach and players getting arrested for serious crimes, getting blown out by Ohio State and Wisconsin in consecutive weeks isn’t such a big deal."

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

something something lips and ears.

Why can't the AD and the BOG see what everyone else on Earth sees?

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

 

[retired711]

My own guess -- based on no inside information at all -- is that KF is gone at the end of the year. Emailgate will have a great deal to do with it. The administration isn't going to tolerate someone who violated a basic rule. His record isn't going to help. Barchi wants us to be "competitive" and a team that has given up 149 points in its last three games, and scored 17 in its last two, is not competitive. Barchi probably doesn't mind not being a contender, but I think he does mind being overmatched.

BTW, I read little talk about the defense aside from the secondary. But clearly the seven up front aren't doing much of a job. Of course, they're not helped by the offense's inability to drive.

 

[Local Shill]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

How is he going to 6-6?

 

[RUScrew85]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

What's this 6-6 you are referring to?

 

[DHajekRC84]

How is he going to 6-6?

only if he grows about a foot overnight.

 

[RUScrew85]

He's gone.

 

[RUNYGDVLSFAN]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

seriously ... 6-6 ??? METS have better chance at winning World Series... wait... they lost... sorry... no 6-6....Fire him today please. Why put off tomorrow what you can do today.

 

[Crazed_RU]

How is he going to 6-6?

I agree and I take no win for granted at this point. In fact, at this point I feel like 4-8 is the most likely outcome. Why should we favored against Maryland, and why should we chalk that up in the win column?

 

[B0ski]

The great divide. On one hand the whole country and vast majority on these boards that see what a joke Rutgers football has become and the other hand those in power (pres/bog) who could give two sh#ts about the football program. Then throw in the few numb nuts on this board that think Flood is the answer. What a mess.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Besides Army we won't be favored again this year, and we might lose that one, time to wake up.

 

[MADHAT1]

My own guess -- based on no inside information at all -- is that KF is gone at the end of the year. Emailgate will have a great deal to do with it. The administration isn't going to tolerate someone who violated a basic rule. His record isn't going to help. Barchi wants us to be "competitive" and a team that has given up 149 points in its last three games, and scored 17 in its last two, is not competitive. Barchi probably doesn't mind not being a contender, but I think he does mind being overmatched.

BTW, I read little talk about the defense aside from the secondary. But clearly the seven up front aren't doing much of a job. Of course, they're not helped by the offense's inability to drive.

My thoughts are:
If Flood was going to be terminated it would have happened once the investigation of his actions were finalized and RU received that report. RU probably felt it would be hard to use the for cause and I wouldn't be surprised if the buyout money is what's kept Kyle as HC and will be the reason he comes back as HC next season , even with a 4-8 record.
Unless the boosters pay his buyout, RU won't dump Flood because Barchi/BOG will refuse to.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

At 6-6 no he's not gone. I think he survives.

But to get to 6-6 Flood has to beat Army, Maryland, and Nebraska ('because we sure as hell aren't beating Michigan.)

I think we can beat Army and Maryland, but nothing to this point shows me that we can beat Nebraska....and I know they stink this year and just lost to Purdue.

 

[RutgersRaRa]

Finally, we the fans are being recognized as the Badly Abused Lab Rats we are. Being born in NJ comes at a price, waking up in it comes at another price, and having gone to its state university still a higher price.

OTOH, speaking for myself, I made the decision to hitch my happiness to the wagon of teenagers playing a game, so there's that.

 

[S.B. Crumb]

At 6-6 no he's not gone. I think he survives.

But to get to 6-6 Flood has to beat Army, Maryland, and Nebraska ('because we sure as hell aren't beating Michigan.)

I think we can beat Army and Maryland, but nothing to this point shows me that we can beat Nebraska....and I know they stink this year and just lost to Purdue.

Yes, I just posted a thread regarding our chances of getting to 6 wins and it comes out to a little over 15%. Enjoy the 5-7 participation bowl, everyone.

 

[retired711]

My thoughts are:
If Flood was going to be terminated it would have happened once the investigation of his actions were finalized and RU received that report. RU probably felt it would be hard to use the for cause and I wouldn't be surprised if the buyout money is what's kept Kyle as HC and will be the reason he comes back as HC next season , even with a 4-8 record.
Unless the boosters pay his buyout, RU won't dump Flood because Barchi/BOG will refuse to.

You could be right, of course. But as I recall, the buyout isn't *that* high. I would think that boosters and other private donations would be enough for the buyout. It may also be -- and this is pure speculation -- that Flood had to promise to step down at the end of the season as the price for being allowed to coach for the rest of it. But really no one knows. If I were Barchi, I would have terminated Flood for cause, but obviously he didn't. One thing is for sure: the administration and BOG won't contribute much in the way of funds.

 

[ruman]

I agree and I take no win for granted at this point. In fact, at this point I feel like 4-8 is the most likely outcome. Why should we favored against Maryland, and why should we chalk that up in the win column?

How about at 3-9. Is he hanging on then

 

[Pritz99]

Gotta remember this article's conclusions are based on MERIT. I'm sure they don't consider buyouts, available money, administration attitude, etc.

When it comes to a school wanting to fire a coach, seriously, how significant is the buyout consideration? The cost of a new coach contract? While Maryland is in deep doodoo financially in their athletic dept, Edsall is gone and they're saying they'll pay $3-4 million. While here at Rutgers....

 

[NorthNJRUFan]

To clarify. I do not think Rutgers will finish with 6 wins!

But 6-6 is much harder to get rid of him than 4-8 is isnt it?

 

[RUMBA-JK]

At 6-6 no he's not gone. I think he survives.

But to get to 6-6 Flood has to beat Army, Maryland, and Nebraska ('because we sure as hell aren't beating Michigan.)

I think we can beat Army and Maryland, but nothing to this point shows me that we can beat Nebraska....and I know they stink this year and just lost to Purdue.

have real serious doubts about beating Maryland - last year it was 'nothing left to lose' at half time & with Fridge at the controls - he dialed up everything to the max - and got an assortment of things to go right .
This year it will be just a continuous presentation of mundane, predictable mediocre, unimaginative play administration - if the game starts to get away, Flood will not change a thing to change the trajectory - will not modify strategy

 

[satnom]

Prior to Wisc game I was like give him another year if RU finishes 6-6. After our putrid play and his press conference I realized this guy doesn't have a clue. RU needs to make a change asap even if by some miracle we finish 6-6. Flood is really loss in the sauce.

GO RU

 

[PiscatawayMike]

Should be gone and will be gone are two entirely different things. Should he be gone? Yes. Will he be gone? I have my doubts. Big-time doubts.

 

[BuggsyRU]

Prior to Wisc game I was like give him another year if RU finishes 6-6. After our putrid play and his press conference I realized this guy doesn't have a clue. RU needs to make a change asap even if by some miracle we finish 6-6. Flood is really loss in the sauce.

GO RU

I agree....but I don't think our administration does.

They see it as Flood going 9-3, 6-6, 7-5, and 6-6 (if he gets there) during his 4 regular seasons, and for a cash-starved program, that is not "failing enough" to justify getting rid of him and the associated coasts that go with it....despite the fact that it will cost so much more in lost revenue from decreased season ticket holders and alumni contributions.

Now, if we we get crushed by Michigan (almost guaranteed) and lose to both Nebraska and Maryland (very possible) and finish 4-8, then they will probably fire him, but certainly not guaranteed.

If we lose to Michigan, but then go on a little run by beating our last three opponents, then win our bowl game to finish 7-6 on a 4 game winning streak, there is no way in hell they are firing Flood.

Even though I want him gone, I would have a hard time justifying that based on ur financial situation and the fact that he will have had 3 winning seasons out of 4 and been to 4 straight (lower tier) bowls, winning 2 of them.

 

[mikershoein]

Tha

Gotta remember this article's conclusions are based on MERIT. I'm sure they don't consider buyouts, available money, administration attitude, etc.

When it comes to a school wanting to fire a coach, seriously, how significant is the buyout consideration? The cost of a new coach contract? While Maryland is in deep doodoo financially in their athletic dept, Edsall is gone and they're saying they'll pay $3-4 million. While here at Rutgers....

that is a key point . Right after the email scandal , break ins and 3 game suspension- RU announced they hired a law firm to investigate the athletic department. I read that as "find a way to fire and not pay"

 

[Pritz99]

So they suspended him. If they could've fired him for no $$$, probably would have. Why not?

 

[brgossRU90]

Given that the programs ahead of us--including duke, unbelievably, which went to a conference championship game recently--have high points in the recent past and we have only 3rd or 4th or 5th tier bowls to hang our hat on I say we should be 1 at this point. A dismal future is easier to face when you've at least had a good past.

 

[derleider]

Too bad people outside our bubble here don't realize Flood's firing is about as likely as Nick Saban's

The thing is - alot of Big Ten teams would look bad if they played OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan all in a row. And then they would (as I suspect we will) look much better when they play a failing Nebraska, Army, and Maryland to end the season.

If Flood gets fired it wont be because he got blown out by the good Big Ten teams, it will be because he couldnt beat the bad ones - and so far that isnt the case.

Buggsy - the thing is - at alot of schools Flood would still have a job, particularly if he ekes into a bowl in a rebuilding year. Certainly going into this year. Coming out of it, less so, but most mid-low level P5 schools would have held on to him. Its very risky to change coaches. Even more so in a year when you are going to have to overpay (because there are alot of higher level openings, especially in our general vicinity). If we go 4-8 or 3-9 I think he gets fired, because as you state, we probably start to lose revenue.

But at even 5-7, I think he likely stays, because what we can afford in this market won't be a huge step up. And this should be the worst year for a couple of more (easier schedule, more experience at alot of positions.) If this were like 2013 when at the end of the season only Wake and USC were looking for a new coach, I think it would be alot easier decision - but we know right now that just in the east Miami, VT, USc, and Maryland (and probably Virginia) are all looking for coaches, plus Illinois and Minnesota within our conference, plus possibly others if their coaches get hired away by the USC or NFL of the world.

Flood has an uncanny knack for winning just enough games to keep his job.

Can we beat Nebraska - I would almost count on it. Flood rarely loses to teams outside the top 50.

 

[StyleKnight]

Do you guys really think he's gone? At 6-6?

Do you really think we go 6-6?

 

[MikeR0102]

So they suspended him. If they could've fired him for no $$$, probably would have. Why not?

The same reason they didn't fire Mike Rice when they suspended him.

 

[madscientistRU09]

MUST READ, in part it says, "The good news at this stage of the season is that the only embarrassing headlines for the last few weeks have been related to the football team’s performance. Compared to attempted academic fraud by the head coach and players getting arrested for serious crimes, getting blown out by Ohio State and Wisconsin in consecutive weeks isn’t such a big deal."

They forgot to mention how he is a nice guy though...

 

[krup]

The thing is - alot of Big Ten teams would look bad if they played OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan all in a row. And then they would (as I suspect we will) look much better when they play a failing Nebraska, Army, and Maryland to end the season.

If Flood gets fired it wont be because he got blown out by the good Big Ten teams, it will be because he couldnt beat the bad ones - and so far that isnt the case.

Buggsy - the thing is - at alot of schools Flood would still have a job, particularly if he ekes into a bowl in a rebuilding year. Certainly going into this year. Coming out of it, less so, but most mid-low level P5 schools would have held on to him. Its very risky to change coaches. Even more so in a year when you are going to have to overpay (because there are alot of higher level openings, especially in our general vicinity). If we go 4-8 or 3-9 I think he gets fired, because as you state, we probably start to lose revenue.

But at even 5-7, I think he likely stays, because what we can afford in this market won't be a huge step up. And this should be the worst year for a couple of more (easier schedule, more experience at alot of positions.) If this were like 2013 when at the end of the season only Wake and USC were looking for a new coach, I think it would be alot easier decision - but we know right now that just in the east Miami, VT, USc, and Maryland (and probably Virginia) are all looking for coaches, plus Illinois and Minnesota within our conference, plus possibly others if their coaches get hired away by the USC or NFL of the world.

Flood has an uncanny knack for winning just enough games to keep his job.

Can we beat Nebraska - I would almost count on it. Flood rarely loses to teams outside the top 50.

I think the accepted wisdom that we have a much easier schedule next year needs further review.

-we played Washington State and Kansas OOC this year. Rutgers starts the season on the road at Washington, which is at least as hard as this year's WSU home game. We play a 9th B1G conference game next year. Even plugging in our "easiest" crossover game (Illinois) makes that a harder matchup than the worst P5 team Kansas.

-It seemed a no brainer that getting rid of Wisc and Neb as our crossover games would significantly decrease the schedule strength. I would argue that now that we have seen 2015 Wisconsin and Nebraska, changing to Iowa and Minnesota is not a huge difference.

 

[satnom]

The thing is - alot of Big Ten teams would look bad if they played OSU, Wisconsin, and Michigan all in a row. And then they would (as I suspect we will) look much better when they play a failing Nebraska, Army, and Maryland to end the season.

If Flood gets fired it wont be because he got blown out by the good Big Ten teams, it will be because he couldnt beat the bad ones - and so far that isnt the case.

Buggsy - the thing is - at alot of schools Flood would still have a job, particularly if he ekes into a bowl in a rebuilding year. Certainly going into this year. Coming out of it, less so, but most mid-low level P5 schools would have held on to him. Its very risky to change coaches. Even more so in a year when you are going to have to overpay (because there are alot of higher level openings, especially in our general vicinity). If we go 4-8 or 3-9 I think he gets fired, because as you state, we probably start to lose revenue.

But at even 5-7, I think he likely stays, because what we can afford in this market won't be a huge step up. And this should be the worst year for a couple of more (easier schedule, more experience at alot of positions.) If this were like 2013 when at the end of the season only Wake and USC were looking for a new coach, I think it would be alot easier decision - but we know right now that just in the east Miami, VT, USc, and Maryland (and probably Virginia) are all looking for coaches, plus Illinois and Minnesota within our conference, plus possibly others if their coaches get hired away by the USC or NFL of the world.

Flood has an uncanny knack for winning just enough games to keep his job.

Can we beat Nebraska - I would almost count on it. Flood rarely loses to teams outside the top 50.

The blowout losses over the years under Flood are staggering. RU is no longer known for Defense. This mindset of doing just enough to get by is what's holding back the program. RU needs to break away from this and bet on the future.

GO RU

 

[cohwx]

I don't know, I'd say we are becoming known for our defense...just not the way we want. RU, the team to play to get your offense on track.

 

[Block R]

But at even 5-7, I think he likely stays, because what we can afford in this market won't be a huge step up. And this should be the worst year for a couple of more (easier schedule, more experience at alot of positions.) If this were like 2013 when at the end of the season only Wake and USC were looking for a new coach, I think it would be alot easier decision - but we know right now that just in the east Miami, VT, USc, and Maryland (and probably Virginia) are all looking for coaches, plus Illinois and Minnesota within our conference, plus possibly others if their coaches get hired away by the USC or NFL of the world.

Flood has an uncanny knack for winning just enough games to keep his job.

I agree with most of what der says, especially the part I quoted. The x-factor is the NCAA report which (if you believe what some are hinting at) could force Barchi's hand. And yes, I said Barchi because I don't think Julie has the money even if we go 4-8.

And while I wouldn't say I expect to beat Nebraska, it would hardly surprise me if we did.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

For the last time: next year's schedule IS NOT "easier" and quite honestly may be the toughest one we've ever faced when all is said-and-done.

 

[CuredbywinningRU]

I certainly believe KF has shown that he cannot compete at this level and needs to go, but that doesn't change the fact that our very limited athletic department resources (ie, the Department, combined with our history of (almost) no major donors), together with what may be a record- setting number of P5 HC openings this year, makes our ability to hire a quality coach very speculative. Just sad.

 

[DHajekRC84]

Finally, we the fans are being recognized as the Badly Abused Lab Rats we are. Being born in NJ comes at a price, waking up in it comes at another price, and having gone to its state university still a higher price.

OTOH, speaking for myself, I made the decision to hitch my happiness to the wagon of teenagers playing a game, so there's that.

So you've settled in for NJ High School Football? Is that what you mean?

 

[MoobyCow]

The blowout losses over the years under Flood are staggering. RU is no longer known for Defense. This mindset of doing just enough to get by is what's holding back the program. RU needs to break away from this and bet on the future.

GO RU

Here's every Massey top 30 team we've played since 05 and the scores. Flood's games highlighted:

And here's our largest margin of defeat since 05.

FWIW, I look at this and see a lot of embarrassing scores in the last couple of years, but I look at what we did under Schiano and see that we got stomped by some pretty bad teams about once year. Schiano was more feast of famine, in that he also played better teams close (and even beat them on occasion), but he'd also lay more eggs against bad teams.