If you look at common opponents between RU and Nova, it’s obvious RU is better. We both played PSU, UDel, Brown, Maryland, and Faifield. Nova lost to Brown and needed OT to beat Fairfield and PSU. The committee doesn’t look at this stuff and doesn’t care, but I’d thought I’d mention it. RU 4-1 (not counting the second UMD game) and Nova went 3-2
Rutgers men's lax chances -- rooting interests
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Literally none of that is true. Nova is in the conversation and will be the first one eliminated. GT winning killed any hope they had because the BE is not. 3 bid league. You are the only one even mentioning Vermont, Mich and PSU. They are not even on the radar of anyone remotely connected to the sport. We’ll find out in a little over 5 hrs.
NCAA hockey makes common opponents a part of their math model. NCAA hockey specifically states they go with the model. There are barely enough lax data points for a model to work fairly...that’s probably why they tell people they meet on it. Nova beat Yale so there will be little to discuss at their meeting.
Sorry, if there was ever a year for the committee to meet this would be it. frankly, with the sale of lax power and George no longer running it, there is a real question as to the validity of the numbers on that site. There is no way that Nova should be in over Rutgers as they lost to Brown at home while Rutgers beat them on the road. Rutgers has beaten just as many tournament teams as Bucknell, has but has fewer bad losses. The idea that the committee would simply rely on a computer program this year is simply insane and they should disband if they are going to allow that. This year there are no undefeated teams or teams with only one loss and only Albany only has two. the mere thought that this group of people who barely know lacrosse would not at least have a discussion is repugnant.
There is no way that the Big East has earned 3 bids Rutgers has played as many top 20 teams as Nova and Bucknell combined and they beat ACC regular season champs Cuse by 4 goals. Now saying all of that I will not be surprised when Rutgers is left out again for a team like Nova or Bucknell or frankly Syracuse because it always seems like Rutgers good wins are always diminished while their loses are always magnified. Nova lost to Denver by more than Rutgers lost in all of their games combined 16-11. That game right there should disqualify Nova as that is by far the worst loss of the bubble teams unless you include Syracuse who had 2 double digit losses and lost by 4 to another bubble team in Rutgers. It is painfully obvious that the Big Ten is the best conference in the country and I would put them head to head anytime. hell Michigan (the worst team in the Big Ten) beat Notre Dame on the road. Sorry, but this is why they need to meet.
There is no way that the Big East has earned 3 bids Rutgers has played as many top 20 teams as Nova and Bucknell combined and they beat ACC regular season champs Cuse by 4 goals. Now saying all of that I will not be surprised when Rutgers is left out again for a team like Nova or Bucknell or frankly Syracuse because it always seems like Rutgers good wins are always diminished while their loses are always magnified. Nova lost to Denver by more than Rutgers lost in all of their games combined 16-11. That game right there should disqualify Nova as that is by far the worst loss of the bubble teams unless you include Syracuse who had 2 double digit losses and lost by 4 to another bubble team in Rutgers. It is painfully obvious that the Big Ten is the best conference in the country and I would put them head to head anytime. hell Michigan (the worst team in the Big Ten) beat Notre Dame on the road. Sorry, but this is why they need to meet.
Why would Michigan be in the discussion they did not even make the conference tournament, was that the rationale for Rutgers not getting in last years
I guess he just forgets how to coach in the Big East tournament. It's now 3 straight years his team has been the heavy favorite going undefeated in conference play and he's lost. Last year was the worst, he beat Marquette on the road in a thumping 16-8 then 5 days later lost 11-8 to that same Marquette team on a neutral site. Marquette must have dogged it and thrown that regular season game since it can't be Denver. Similar thing happened in 2015-16 this time it was a week later.
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I don’t think the “committee” cares if the Big East isn’t a “3 team league” and I never said Michigan was in the conversation. The “committee” has always awarded extra points for quality wins and their model does just that. Unfortunately for RU, Syracuse is a third tier win outside the top 5 and 6-10 (Syr is #11). Two third tier wins (RMU and Syr)) isn’t going to make up for two lower than top 20 losses (Princeton, Army) in the current model....Yes (PSU #22 RPI) isn’t even a third tier win.
I don’t think the “committee” cares if the Big East isn’t a “3 team league” and I never said Michigan was in the conversation. The “committee” has always awarded extra points for quality wins and their model does just that. Unfortunately for RU, Syracuse is a third tier win outside the top 5 and 6-10 (Syr is #11). Two third tier wins (RMU and Syr)) isn’t going to make up for two lower than top 20 losses (Princeton, Army) in the current model....Yes (PSU #22 RPI) isn’t even a third tier win.
Probably more of a head scratcher that the conference only gets 2 than RU not making it this year. Needed either one more quality win or one less bad loss. Just did not get it done.
I appreciated the two former players. They ripped John Hardt and his committee strictly using analysis and not the "eye test" when they blasted the committee on Villanova getting in and not us or OSU. Also, screw Denver who purposely didn't start their best players which allowed Georgetown an automatic bid.
Yes, we didn't get it done against Maryland, JHU and OSU in the regular season, but to me, we were the best conference and NOT the ACC.
Quint also made a great point in how bogus the RPI is because there are just not enough games to go on to make it mean anything. A perfect example he used was Penn. They had a 7-8 record but supposedly had a 14 RPI. And Quint said, "can you see that team or a Villanova team beat Rutgers or OSU? No way."
I don't care what the experts here say, I think there a few too many teams in the tournament and the "favorite" teams seem to get in even though they don't deserve it. I think the whole thing is total BS.
Yes, we didn't get it done against Maryland, JHU and OSU in the regular season, but to me, we were the best conference and NOT the ACC.
Quint also made a great point in how bogus the RPI is because there are just not enough games to go on to make it mean anything. A perfect example he used was Penn. They had a 7-8 record but supposedly had a 14 RPI. And Quint said, "can you see that team or a Villanova team beat Rutgers or OSU? No way."
I don't care what the experts here say, I think there a few too many teams in the tournament and the "favorite" teams seem to get in even though they don't deserve it. I think the whole thing is total BS.
I said it in another thread...the whole thing is an ACC circle jerk. Glad Quint stood up for us and OSU. ACC is a garbage conference and had a losing record to the B1G.
To be fair, the "committee" looks at the power ratings for bids and Penn is now #26 in that. Bucknell was the "best" team not invited....with Vermont next. I didn't dig into what Vermont did this year except I know they got destroyed by Albany twice, lost to Virginia and they only have two wins against teams with winning records (Quinn & Jax). If Vermont had gotten a bid over RU or OSU (Vt only missed by two spots in the power rating) there might have been a enough for a malpractice suit against the "committee". Ignoring injuries, Villanova accomplished enough.
I thought the 2 analysts brought up the key point...if
the goal is to insure the best teams make the tourney...then the current criteria do not work. Nova would not beat RU nor OSU...and the example provided regarding Penn...does reveal the RPI use for lacrosse to be flawed. College football does is right...for example, need an eyeball test. And for the Big Ten to only get 2 in...does not pass the smell test.
Quint berating the Committee on National TV put a smile on my face. He knows what a load of crap a trash team like Nova, Cuse or UVA being in over Bucknell or RU or OSU was.
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F*ck that commissioner
What a douchebag
All games count regardless of when they are played?
Eyeball test not used at all?
Head to head doesn’t mean shit?
College lacrosse BLOWS and that committee should go F themselves.
And the field needs to be expanded.
Make it 20 teams with 4 play in games instead of 1.
Ultimately, I feel really, really bad for the 14 seniors on the RU team. They deserved better than this Mickey Mouse selection committee.
How does that committee get formed? It needs an infusion of Bigten blood immediately.
It seems a lot easier for Rutgers to not lose games to Army and Princeton than it would be to change the makeup of the committee. At the end of the day, Rutgers beat just two teams this season with RPIs above 20 (Cuse at #10 and RoMo at #19). Yes, Big Ten teams benefited from the high RPIs of UMD and JHU, but that doesn't cut it to make the tournament. You actually have to beat UMD and JHU. Or at least beat Ohio State when a potential NCAA bid is on the line. NCAA tournament-caliber teams beat other quality teams and Rutgers didn't make that great of a case this year.
I'm honestly surprised more people on this forum aren't venting frustrations at Brecht. He worked on the SOS issue, but he's not winning games that would be difference-makers. Just two RPI top-20 wins all season long, a losing conference record, a first round exit in your conference tourney doesn't exactly scream we belong in the tournament. There are going to be teams on the cusp every year. There will always be a Villanova hovering around the final invite. Rutgers needs to do what it can to avoid being in that position rather than attempting to blow up the whole system.
If Rutgers were selected last night, no one would be talking about an infusion of Big Ten blood or what the Big Ten commissioner should've done or how rigged the system is specifically against Rutgers.
So then you believe the ACC is the best conference even though the B1G went 6-2 against them and that the B1G only deserved 2 bids. It's what you just laid out, the B1G is not the best conference not even the second best conference as the Big East got 3 in and you clearly state Villanova deserved to be in over us.
So you really think the B1G is the 3rd best conference? It's basically what you just stated. Or were you just trying to make your case against Rutgers(like you always do in every sport) not realizing you just stated the B1G is the 3rd best conference.
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What I laid out is that Rutgers needed to beat Army and Princeton, not that other stuff you just typed. The at-large selection process really doesn't care what conference you come from. It care who you played and who you beat. The point I'm making is: Win enough to not leave it up to Rutgers and someone else. Beat Army or Princeton and the Knights are likely prepping for a first round game. Being in the position to get picked over isn't the fault of Villanova or the committee or the Big Ten. That's the team's fault. It always seems that with Rutgers fans, the Scarlet Knights are always the victim of some big conspiracy in which everyone is involved to specifically keep Rutgers down. They didn't do enough to be selected.
Sometimes I question if some of the posters on here are RU fans at all. A couple strike me as wolves in sheep's clothing.
I was too pissed to listen to the guy. Did he lay out exactly what they use to select at large? Is there a defined criteria or does they choose whatever criteria gets their favorites in? It shouldn't be a mystery if they don't do an eyeball test.
I wonder if Hopkins or Maryland had lost in the semi's would the B1G have gotten 3. The bluebloods certainly got taken care of this year.
He's not, he's a Maryland fan. He has the same shtick when it comes to RU football.
