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Simpson and Davis “at the rim”

Simpson looked better as game went on.
If he can shoot foul shots like that end game would be a nice weapon.
Davis is far more problematic. Missed layups not only misses but so deflating to team.
 
Simpson looked better as game went on.
If he can shoot foul shots like that end game would be a nice weapon.
Davis is far more problematic. Missed layups not only misses but so deflating to team.
Glad he made foul shots. The play he got fouled hard Gavin passed him the ball and the right and easy play was a bounce pass back.

Guys are going to stop filling the lanes if they arent getting looked at.
 
J-Mike had a few layups that went in and out on him. He's still adjusting to college and how to finish around the rim.

Fernandes has me a little concerned so far. Not facilitating enough and not shooting enough/being aggressive. Might need some more time to shake off rust of not playing much last year.
 
J-Mike had a few layups that went in and out on him. He's still adjusting to college and how to finish around the rim.

Fernandes has me a little concerned so far. Not facilitating enough and not shooting enough/being aggressive. Might need some more time to shake off rust of not playing much last year.
We are talking about shots at the rim! In and Out is a miss. He shoots way too much. We havent faced a real team yet.
 
Everyone was so excited for fast guards and up tempo. These three guards have me concerned for the big ten season. Not only are they short, they’re all very weak at finishing at the rim, cant consistently shoot the 3, and most concerning, can’t make entry passes to the post and Cliff, and don’t see, to recognize dump off or lobs to Cliff. Miss Paul and his true Point guard playmaking ability
 
Today a combined 1-9

On the season
Simpson 2-10
Davis 2-10

We have played Bryant Princeton and BU.

Enough with the head down and hoping for a whistle. We have a freak of a jumper who has lead the nation in dunks.

So frustrating watching this.
I am with you with their failure to feed Cliff for alley oops but their failure a lot of times to even use the backboard , put on the brakes , pivot , with great footwork , let defender fly by , and hit an open shot , or even use a head fake since defender is tight on them that would create a foul. We have 2 guards as assistant coaches that did driving under control with head fakes and footwork and pivoting but that has not translated to our guards. Time for a tutorial
 
Glad he made foul shots. The play he got fouled hard Gavin passed him the ball and the right and easy play was a bounce pass back.

Guys are going to stop filling the lanes if they arent getting looked at.
Rutgers guards throwing a proper bounce pass will be the first one you see. A lost art but the great point guards and passers all do it. Every pass doesn’t have to be in the air.
 
Here is my take

1.) I really don’t think it’s a coincidence that our best offensive rhythm and cohesion came until Derek went back to the point guard in the last 10 minutes today so……

2.) not all shots at rhe rim are created equal …the one I see Derek take lead to a much higher percentage Oreb opportunity than what both Jmike and Noah have taken to date …and thsrs partially because they come from the spacing of the offense that allows lanes to run to the rim to rebound.

3.) all three guards do need to look off better when penetrating to pass it opposite . There have been opportuniitids to pass to the opposite thsr have been missed .
However….

4.) we shot 4 from 22 from three today, and not a terrific percentage either in the first two games . At some point …you do have to throw away the three point shooting when it’s not falling and just get to the damn rim

Even Hyatt and Gavin passed on open threes later in the game to go to the glass…and that’s partially conscious because we were missing from three

I’ll be a lot more concerned with this if we are hitting from three and the mid range and turning away those oppertunities for forces shots at the rim

I like the line up in the last 12 minutes ..thibk thar needs to be the starting point ….of getting sone rhythm and cohesion

Right now …on a linited data set

1.) Simpson needs to be the point guard
2.) Noah minutes needs to come from the two guard
3.) our best line up , INO, comes when mag is back
4,) leave wolf to back up cliff at the 5
5.) our best line up , with mag coming back is
Simpson , Griffths , mag, Hyatt and Omouyri …and this means Gavin plays the two on offense and mag has to guard the best player wing player on defense and Gavin gets the least skilled offensice player on defense 2-4. It offfers more length …and I think we need to press to reduce the shot clock with that group ….

That’s my take 10% in ….and more data is needed to confirm all of that …
 
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How many times did we draw fouls when we didn't score at the rim.....?

How many times when we get fouled, does the roster get a break to rest.....?? Does that help your defense?? YES

How many times when we attack the basket, do we get into the bonus and eventually double bonus.....?? Do those points count "at the rim".....??

The Simpson fast break where he was undercut, does his 8 for 8 at the line count, or is it only at rim??

Davis is in his 3rd college game and plays fearless. He has now drawn enough fouls to get to the line 8 times and 5 times in the last 2 games.

I am feeling very good about the RU basketball program on how the offense protects the defense this year, much more than last year. I am also aware that youth, brings mistakes and there are a lot of new pieces.

There's 2 ways to look at it.

Do you want to be solely reliant on 3 point shots and not getting to the FT line....??? OR see if we can continue to attack, continue to draw fouls....continue to stop the clock, get the defense set up, get the 3/4 court press set up??

You cannot press and take time off the shot clock for your opponent, unless you stop the clock and get to the line....the offense attacking, impacts and helps your defense.
 
How many times did we draw fouls when we didn't score at the rim.....?

How many times when we get fouled, does the roster get a break to rest.....?? Does that help your defense?? YES

How many times when we attack the basket, do we get into the bonus and eventually double bonus.....?? Do those points count "at the rim".....??

The Simpson fast break where he was undercut, does his 8 for 8 at the line count, or is it only at rim??

Davis is in his 3rd college game and plays fearless. He has now drawn enough fouls to get to the line 8 times and 5 times in the last 2 games.

I am feeling very good about the RU basketball program on how the offense protects the defense this year, much more than last year. I am also aware that youth, brings mistakes and there are a lot of new pieces.

There's 2 ways to look at it.

Do you want to be solely reliant on 3 point shots and not getting to the FT line....??? OR see if we can continue to attack, continue to draw fouls....continue to stop the clock, get the defense set up, get the 3/4 court press set up??

You cannot press and take time off the shot clock for your opponent, unless you stop the clock and get to the line....the offense attacking, impacts and helps your defense.
I get what you’re saying about GETTING to the rim and getting fouled. That helps in all the different ways you cite.

But at some point you need to start hitting the shots at the rim, especially when the FT shooting has been mediocre (except from Simpson, who’s been great at the line).

Plus, our offensive efficiency is now a putrid 103.4, which ranks 150th in the country. And that’s IN SPITE OF getting to the foul line at a high rate.

We have a double whammy of shooting an abominable 15-61 from 3-pt range (24.6%) AND shooting a subpar 52-115 from 2-pt range (45.2%), of which a lot of those are at the rim. We need to start doing SOMETHING right on the offensive end, and it SHOULD be easier to increase our percentage at the rim than the percentage from deep.
 
Glad he made foul shots. The play he got fouled hard Gavin passed him the ball and the right and easy play was a bounce pass back.

Guys are going to stop filling the lanes if they arent getting looked at.
Same thing happened in BU game he had a trailer or two when they had numbers and took to rim hard and got hammered
 
Shack,

How many FG attempts did Cliff have in those Simpson 2nd half minutes?

If you dont count the 2 oreb he dunked the number is 0. Dont watch the film!, but trust me there were at least 3 times a simple lob is a dunk
I’m not saying he didn’t miss the Lob (I saw two of them , so I know what you are talking aboht ) …. and he is still a work in progress.

What I did see also see was better floor spacing and a better Rhythem…more movement on time in the half court offense .

Also need to see more minutes to say Thars a pattern …but considering it’s the first time this year we had sone sort of rhythm on offense …I’ll take it a positive to build on

And , as I mentioned before , after a 4 for 19 start (that went to 4 from 22) start from three …we didn’t continue to Chuck them up from there …and made an effort to attack the rim

And we went from minus three to plus 8 in 12 minutes …

Limited data…but something to note to see for later on ….
 
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I understand fans might be frustrated with missed layups on drives, and the perceived inefficiency, but you need to look at the big picture. So far we haven't been particularly efficient from 3 or successful feeding Cliff in the paint. This year we have multiple guards who can attack the rim to score or draw fouls. Today we made 24 free throws to Bryant's 11. When was the last time you saw RU with that differential? Last year Paul and Cam were unable or unwilling to drive and draw contact. If we weren't hitting 3's or Cliff was scoring we were SOL. Not only do we run the break better but this year we have an added dimension of attacking the rim in the half court that not only can score but will ultimately help open up things better for both our 3 point shooters and Cliff.
Young and new players we'll need time to develop and gel but the cieling is much higher than last year.
 
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How many times did we draw fouls when we didn't score at the rim.....?

How many times when we get fouled, does the roster get a break to rest.....?? Does that help your defense?? YES

How many times when we attack the basket, do we get into the bonus and eventually double bonus.....?? Do those points count "at the rim".....??

The Simpson fast break where he was undercut, does his 8 for 8 at the line count, or is it only at rim??

Davis is in his 3rd college game and plays fearless. He has now drawn enough fouls to get to the line 8 times and 5 times in the last 2 games.

I am feeling very good about the RU basketball program on how the offense protects the defense this year, much more than last year. I am also aware that youth, brings mistakes and there are a lot of new pieces.

There's 2 ways to look at it.

Do you want to be solely reliant on 3 point shots and not getting to the FT line....??? OR see if we can continue to attack, continue to draw fouls....continue to stop the clock, get the defense set up, get the 3/4 court press set up??

You cannot press and take time off the shot clock for your opponent, unless you stop the clock and get to the line....the offense attacking, impacts and helps your defense.
If Simpson and Davis aren't look to pass to Cliff in transition, what makes you think they are going to pass to Ace Bailey?

2 on 1 in transition...Gavin had the ball. He makes the right play passing to Simpson so that he can get it back. Simpson put his head down and doesn't pass it back and goes to the rim (and gets crushed)
 
If Simpson and Davis aren't look to pass to Cliff in transition, what makes you think they are going to pass to Ace Bailey?

2 on 1 in transition...Gavin had the ball. He makes the right play passing to Simpson so that he can get it back. Simpson put his head down and doesn't pass it back and goes to the rim (and gets crushed)
Overpassing or hesitating on the break often results in turnovers or forced shots. Being decisive and finishing the break was the right call for Simpson in that spot. It took a flagrant foul hip check to stop the layup. Oh, by the way, he still got two by draining the free throws. All because he went strong and drew contact.
 
Overpassing or hesitating on the break often results in turnovers or forced shots. Being decisive and finishing the break was the right call for Simpson in that spot. It took a flagrant foul hip check to stop the layup. Oh, by the way, he still got two by draining the free throws. All because he went strong and drew contact.
A decisive play is a bounce pass back to Gavin for a uncontested layup.

2 terrible decisions from our point guards that really stand out and are indicative of where we are right now.

1. that play. it was awful that our point guard doesn't make that fundamental play
2. Fernandes passing to Oskar in transition at half court
 
Well, so far, I’d give a lot of “C” grades. A “B” for Oskar, against expectations. A “B-“ for Derek. An “A-“ for Woolfolk. A “B” for Gavin, based really on one real good one.
 
If Simpson and Davis aren't look to pass to Cliff in transition, what makes you think they are going to pass to Ace Bailey?

2 on 1 in transition...Gavin had the ball. He makes the right play passing to Simpson so that he can get it back. Simpson put his head down and doesn't pass it back and goes to the rim (and gets crushed)

Is your point regarding Bailey that all data points static / in a vacuum and none of the younger players ever get better? I'm anticipating both Simpson and Davis to continue to develop as players.

FYI - I watched the replay on BIG+ not sure that the passing lane back to GG was as open as you are making it out to be. The correct play might have been in fact for Simpson to go to the rim.
 
Is your point regarding Bailey that all data points static / in a vacuum and none of the younger players ever get better? I'm anticipating both Simpson and Davis to continue to develop as players.

FYI - I watched the replay on BIG+ not sure that the passing lane back to GG was as open as you are making it out to be. The correct play might have been in fact for Simpson to go to the rim.
Simpson's vision hasn't improved so far. I don't see a point guard in him.

We have certainly seen at Rutgers players improve under Pike. Quite a long list. At the same time most players only marginally improve.

You have me intrigued about the play. I saw it live right in front of me. Let me look at the replay.
 
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Simpson's vision hasn't improved so far. I don't see a point guard in him.

We have certainly seen at Rutgers players improve under Pike. Quite a long list. At the same time most players only marginally improve.

You have me intrigued about the play. I saw it live right in front of me. Let me look at the replay.
The pass was as obvious as any pass could be. It would be a great learning video for teaching the fundamentals of transition offense and why making the pass is key.
 
The pass was as obvious as any pass could be. It would be a great learning video for teaching the fundamentals of transition offense and why making the pass is key.
The pass was the obvious play....watching it on replay it wasn't as blatant of a miss as I thought watching it live.

Gavin could have been a hair wider and maybe faster, but still in a position to receive a pass and finish.

i would hope players have spent a lot of time as young players doing 3 on 2, 2 on 1 drills...Small guards should know the play is to pass UNLESS the defender takes the pass away.
 
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The pass was the obvious play....watching it on replay it wasn't as blatant of a miss as I thought watching it live.

Gavin could have been a hair wider and maybe faster, but still in a position to receive a pass and finish.

i would hope players have spent a lot of time as young players doing 3 on 2, 2 on 1 drills...Small guards should know the play is to pass UNLESS the defender takes the pass away.
As soon as the defender made the switch and faced Simpson, the pass should have gone right back. It should be automatic for high major college guard.
 
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Princeton is a real team.
Bart has them at #114 and Kenpom has them at #91. NCAA tournament committee seeded them at #15. They are still a team that wins no more than 5 games in the B1G.

Their tallest guy was 6'7''. They don't have a shot blocker. The context was about finishing at the rim.

Our PG are a combined
2-10
2-10
2-6
6-26 at the rim and we haven't faced a "real" interior defense with a shot blocker yet
 
A decisive play is a bounce pass back to Gavin for a uncontested layup.

2 terrible decisions from our point guards that really stand out and are indicative of where we are right now.

1. that play. it was awful that our point guard doesn't make that fundamental play
2. Fernandes passing to Oskar in transition at half court
That was a bang bang split second decision at full speed. Being decisive and attacking an open lane to finish the break is the right call at that moment in time. It took a flagrant foul to stop the layup and we still got two when he hit the free throws. Hesitating and overpassing often results in a turnover or a muffed opportunity. The turnovers from guards and wings in the half court trying to force the ball into Cliff are worse decisions
As soon as the defender made the switch and faced Simpson, the pass should have gone right back. It should be automatic for high major college guard.
I think you meant to say if Simpson made the pass back to Gavin it would have been an automatic turnover. Gavin made the high major play by taking it to the rim. The pass back would have been a classic kiddie basketball mistake of overpassing at the rim that results in a turnover. The only way the defender could stop him was sliding over with a hard foul. I thought Derek made the right move in real time, looking at the replay only reinforced it was the right action vs attempting a last second off balance pass back into traffic going full speed.
 
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