Smart, cheap or frugal ?
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Wow
What happened to Al?
He used to constantly post overly positive bullsh*t.
Now he posts overly negative bullsh*t.
WTF?
What happened to Al?
He used to constantly post overly positive bullsh*t.
Now he posts overly negative bullsh*t.
WTF?
Ash says the strength coaches are as important as OC/DC. He got his number one target and paid him a lot of money. Urban agrees with this strategy. Now I'm not saying because Urban says its right that is the right move, but when taking the salaries of assistants into account, the two strength coach positions are effectively eating into that budget.
On the other hand, it's nice to finally have the that long lost question finally answered: Yes, Rutgers Al's negative posts are just as much BS as his over the top positive posts. :)
Count me in the group being patient and making no judgement on the staff at this time considering half the poisons aren't accounted for. God, we really do have a moronic fan base.
On the other hand, it's nice to finally have the that long lost question finally answered: Yes, Rutgers Al's negative posts are just as much BS as his over the top positive posts. :)
Count me in the group being patient and making no judgement on the staff at this time considering half the poisons aren't accounted for. God, we really do have a moronic fan base.
BTW, all these Maryland cosches with experience and HC records are like 50 games under 500. Can they recruit? If so why did they get fired? Is it because they can't coach? Pick one....
I am truly amazed by this and many other threads. So many of you are so quick to beat up on Ash and Barchi. Let's give this a chance. I guarantee you Ash and Barchi both have a lot more riding on this than we do. It's Ash' first head coaching job, something he's been preparing for all his professional life. He has a plan. I, for one, am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. And you guys know more about building a staff than Ash, who has worked for some of the best in the business. Give me a break. I also think Barchi has gotten the message from alums and the Big 10 brass that our ineptitude in football and, of course, basketball is unacceptable.
So you can't complain at this time, since we have hired only 3 of 9 coaches and even for them, we do not know what they are making.
99% of the time these posts are about their guy not getting the head coaching job. Truly pathetic.
Learning
Either a troll or not a Rutgers fan, take your choice. I've been on teams surrounded by HOF coaches only to get our asses kicked by young, hungry, innovative motivators…kind of like the guys Ash is going to bring in, him being the leader of developing players.
And guess how many of the Core of those great Yankee teams these guys scouted and developed. None! It was Stick Michaels.I want young whippersnappers like these guys ! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
Stick was another great, VETERAN Yankee. Thanks for making my point. And getting these HOF managers/coaches brought it all together.
I wasn't really concerned until this last hire. People forget this guy is a co-defensive coordinator not a battle tested head coach who could take young hungry hires and mold them. If I were Ash I would be hiring guys with experience not young guys trying to make a name for themselves. These hires can go both ways, either great or catastrophic. If it's the latter you will hear Trenton, Faculty and Media make an argument to do away with the football program. Trust me guys what I'm saying is not a stretch.
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So, the question doesn't make any sense.
First, we don't know how much these guys are getting paid.
Second, even if you assume they will be low paid, you cannot answer the question. All we know is that Ash is in charge of his own hires, and he has said he wants younger guys on his staff, not experienced guys he has to butt heads with.. So it may ultimately be smart, or it may not.
Third, I think it is unreasonable to even put cheap or frugal up there. Our budget for coaching hires is fine at $2.7mm. I assume Ash will spend all of it, but if he doesn't good for him and good for Rutgers. If these guys are successful, its going t cost a lot to hang on to them. Older guys can be cheap. Young up and coming guys are much more likely to outperform, and will get costly in a hurry.
I cannot understand why people are fretting over the fact that we aren't bringing in a bunch of mediocre overpriced re-treads. Its going to be very interesting to watch this play out at RU and Maryland. I say we come out on top.
First, we don't know how much these guys are getting paid.
Second, even if you assume they will be low paid, you cannot answer the question. All we know is that Ash is in charge of his own hires, and he has said he wants younger guys on his staff, not experienced guys he has to butt heads with.. So it may ultimately be smart, or it may not.
Third, I think it is unreasonable to even put cheap or frugal up there. Our budget for coaching hires is fine at $2.7mm. I assume Ash will spend all of it, but if he doesn't good for him and good for Rutgers. If these guys are successful, its going t cost a lot to hang on to them. Older guys can be cheap. Young up and coming guys are much more likely to outperform, and will get costly in a hurry.
I cannot understand why people are fretting over the fact that we aren't bringing in a bunch of mediocre overpriced re-treads. Its going to be very interesting to watch this play out at RU and Maryland. I say we come out on top.
Let's just knock off the "co-defensive" coordinator thing as a way to backhand him. Its completely dishonest. Its been widely publicized that Ash was handpicked by Urban Meyer, and brought in to fix OSU defense, and to run OSU defense. He did that. Now he is going to be a head coach.
Second, anyone who says we should "do away with the football program" is an idiot. That ship sailed a long time ago. Rutgers cannot leave big time football even if it wanted to. In reality, if Ash doesn't work out, the year will be 2020, and we will be getting a full share of Big Ten revenue to pay the next guy.
Ambitious but inexperienced national champion D coordinator takes over downtrodden program trying to compete in a much more competitive conference.
This is Schiano pt. 2.
If 7-8 win seasons becomes the norm around here, I think "all of the above" would apply.
Right now, we can only be certain of cheap.
This is Schiano pt. 2.
If 7-8 win seasons becomes the norm around here, I think "all of the above" would apply.
Right now, we can only be certain of cheap.
Torre was far from a HOF manager when he got the job. Not to mention the roster had playoff experience and had several all stars on it. Lots of people questioned the move.
Oh please. Until this year blew up, you and the grassy knoll gang fully endorsed the "learning on the job" by Flood and his MAC coaches (cept for Fridge). All of a sudden you're concerned about experience? LOL. The coaches that have been hired so far are night and day better than the ones they are replacing. NIGHT AND DAY BETTER!!!
Pay attention to what's happening. Too early to tell whether it will bear good fruit but the seeds being sowed by Ash have a hell of a lot more potential than the hoping for a miracle grow weeds Flood was planting. If you notice, the coaches he is bringing in all have the same thing in common - except for the S&T guy, the guys he is getting are all young, energetic and worked under a great coach. They are all oozing potential. Short of hiring Saban or Meyer, this is the next best approach. Hiring retreads like Golden might win you 7 games. But if you're going to swing for the fences with RU's budget, this is the way to do it. High risk but VERY HIGH REWARD.
So, short sighted you guys are.
What Mary is doing may win them a few games, but you can rest assure there is no way they will ever be better than middle of the pack. Their ceiling is set. It's what would have happened had we hired Golden.
I agree with your argument regarding B10 membership and getting a full share of B10 revenue in a few years. But don't dismiss what I'm saying either. There's more than a small coalition making a very strong argument about the cost verses success regarding the football program. A conference change has been a hotly debated topic and honestly it's not just faculty. Look at the roster, look at the current recruiting class and look at the incoming coaching staff. Then the cherry on the cake is the idea of converting Rutgers from a pro style offensive to a hybrid spread/pro style offense without recruiting key athletes. listen, all I'm saying is that two or three consecutive losing seasons while paying 3 million plus for coaches and over 30 million (+-) to fund the program will embolden influential people to make the argument to look into the Pariot league.
If money wasn't an issue we should have looked for a legit HC with a battle tested OC/DC.
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Are these people serious?
Ash said we need positive energy around the program (and school itself).
Some of you guys are guzzling water (or beer) and pissing all over the place.
Some real miserable people.
Merry Christmas, you old Scrooge farts!
Ash said we need positive energy around the program (and school itself).
Some of you guys are guzzling water (or beer) and pissing all over the place.
Some real miserable people.
Merry Christmas, you old Scrooge farts!
We'll be calling for Ash's head in 2 years most likely. I see no cause for optimism across the board, just a continuance of Rutgers M.O. of the last 20 years, sans the success at the end of the Schiano era. We have invested in a slew of unproven hires. We are buying into more of a speculative, high risk/high return philosphy, starting with the Ash hire itself.
If your farm is bet on the program as a whole getting to a level past where Schiano brought it, my emotionless, logical assesment would be very bearish based on the hires so far.
Our hearts tell us all to hope, but isnt that what all of us have been doing every single year about Rutgers football except for in 2006?
From now on ill believe it when i see it. Right now it looks like we are subsidizing Ash's unsubstantiated increase in salary vs Kurt Flood with cuts elsewhere.
Decades of "wash rinse repeat" disappointment take their toll i guess.
If your farm is bet on the program as a whole getting to a level past where Schiano brought it, my emotionless, logical assesment would be very bearish based on the hires so far.
Our hearts tell us all to hope, but isnt that what all of us have been doing every single year about Rutgers football except for in 2006?
From now on ill believe it when i see it. Right now it looks like we are subsidizing Ash's unsubstantiated increase in salary vs Kurt Flood with cuts elsewhere.
Decades of "wash rinse repeat" disappointment take their toll i guess.
So, would some of you guys have wanted:
Al Golden- Defensive Coordinator
Charlie Weiss-Offensive Coordinator
Randy Edsall- Defensive Backs??????
And some seems to be all out of whack because of the OL coach? Mitch Browning by far had the deepest and most impressive resume ON PAPER than the former entire coaching staff. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT? LET CHRIS ASH DO HIS JOB.
Browning had 35 years of coaching experience, including stops at six BCS programs and appearances in 12 previous bowl games (seven in 10 years at Minnesota).
He also spent one year as offensive coordinator at Syracuse in 2008 and one season at Tennessee in 2009 as the Volunteers' co-offensive line coach.
Browning spent 10 years as an assistant at Minnesota from 1997-2006, including seven years as the offensive line coach. He came to Minnesota after spending nine years as an assistant coach at Kansas (1988-96). He was part of two Kansas teams that finished in the Top 25.
Browning was a finalist for the Frank Broyles Award in 2003, which is presented annually to the nation's top assistant coach. In 2003, Browning was co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota as the Golden Gophers set a school and Big Ten record of 6,430 yards of total offense. Minnesota finished the 2003 campaign with 3,789 yards rushing (fourth-best total at the time in Big Ten history) and scored 503 points (sixth-best total at the time in Big Ten history).
In 2005, Minnesota became the first team in Big Ten history to post three consecutive 3,000-yard rushing seasons and the first team in NCAA history to have two 1,000-yard rushers in three consecutive seasons. The Golden Gophers led the Big Ten in rushing offense, total offense and scoring offense, placing second nationally in rushing offense and fifth in total offense.
In 2004, the Golden Gophers led the Big Ten in rushing and scoring. Before Browning arrived in Minnesota, the Gophers ranked 11th in rushing offense and ninth in total offense in the conference. Through continued improvement under his watch, Minnesota finished first in both categories in 2003 and broke virtually every offensive record in school history as the Big Ten's top offense.
Browning has recruited 20 players during his career that played in the NFL, including first round draft picks Dana Stubblefield and Laurence Maroney.
Al Golden- Defensive Coordinator
Charlie Weiss-Offensive Coordinator
Randy Edsall- Defensive Backs??????
And some seems to be all out of whack because of the OL coach? Mitch Browning by far had the deepest and most impressive resume ON PAPER than the former entire coaching staff. HOW DID THAT WORK OUT? LET CHRIS ASH DO HIS JOB.
Browning had 35 years of coaching experience, including stops at six BCS programs and appearances in 12 previous bowl games (seven in 10 years at Minnesota).
He also spent one year as offensive coordinator at Syracuse in 2008 and one season at Tennessee in 2009 as the Volunteers' co-offensive line coach.
Browning spent 10 years as an assistant at Minnesota from 1997-2006, including seven years as the offensive line coach. He came to Minnesota after spending nine years as an assistant coach at Kansas (1988-96). He was part of two Kansas teams that finished in the Top 25.
Browning was a finalist for the Frank Broyles Award in 2003, which is presented annually to the nation's top assistant coach. In 2003, Browning was co-offensive coordinator at Minnesota as the Golden Gophers set a school and Big Ten record of 6,430 yards of total offense. Minnesota finished the 2003 campaign with 3,789 yards rushing (fourth-best total at the time in Big Ten history) and scored 503 points (sixth-best total at the time in Big Ten history).
In 2005, Minnesota became the first team in Big Ten history to post three consecutive 3,000-yard rushing seasons and the first team in NCAA history to have two 1,000-yard rushers in three consecutive seasons. The Golden Gophers led the Big Ten in rushing offense, total offense and scoring offense, placing second nationally in rushing offense and fifth in total offense.
In 2004, the Golden Gophers led the Big Ten in rushing and scoring. Before Browning arrived in Minnesota, the Gophers ranked 11th in rushing offense and ninth in total offense in the conference. Through continued improvement under his watch, Minnesota finished first in both categories in 2003 and broke virtually every offensive record in school history as the Big Ten's top offense.
Browning has recruited 20 players during his career that played in the NFL, including first round draft picks Dana Stubblefield and Laurence Maroney.
People have to understand, it's not about hiring older guys with experience vs. young up-and-comers. It's about hiring guys who've got it. Period. Hopefully, that's what we're getting.
If you don't have it, all the experience in the world won't be much help. (See Kyle Flood.) If you've got it, the lack of experience will most likely be just a minor hurdle.
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The point is that Torre had learned from all the mistakes he had made and was better for the experience. On the otherhand our coaching staff will be going through a learning curve.
It is not the whole fanbase it is mostly small group of haters on this board that post the same thing over and over again. Most real people I talked to in person were all hopeful. Trolls from other fanbases come here and they become their lapdogs, it is pathetic to read.
But whatever....
Though they failed as head coaches, Marylands coaches have a track record of being solid assistants.
When Urban Meyer had to hire his DC, he got an experienced hand in Greg Schiano. He didn't get a DC from Western Illinois and tout him As the next big thing.
This is why people feel concerned.
Fair enough but weren't you predicting conference championships when Flood and crew took over?
Maryland has hired the former head coachs of Virginia, Syracuse and the head coach of Ball State.
We just hired a coach whose experience consists of Fort Hayes, Winona State, and Western Illinois. He was going to interview for the Concordia job and Minnesota gave him an interview.
This one is head scratching to say the least. Lots of considerable leaps of faith here.
No, it was about Williams, O'Neill, Posada, Petit, Jeter, Martinez and Riviera magically coming up with a pitch that broke away from wood or smashed it in half.
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And If I am Hobbs, I am interviewing Edsal yesterday as an assistant for some B1G, Division I, head coaching experience, recruiting, and a Northeast presence. If Maryland is our touchstone...
We saw that Fridgen worked... Experience is a good thing.
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