Smart, cheap or frugal ?

[rutgersal]

Let me know when we have the same financial resources as OSU, UM and PSU.

You don't need OSU, UM, and PSU resources to make good hires. Miami doesn't, and still hired Marc Richt, because winning football is important to them, so alumni stepped up to the plate to make it happen. Richt it looks like, is going to try to bring most of his staff from Georgia. Maryland also made a strong hire, and is surrounding him with strong assistants. Sure both these situations might fail, but no one can go back and say they didn't do everything to try to succeed.

Which is why I really hate the cheapskate route we're taking. Sure, it might work out in the end, and I really hope it does, but this route is fraught with more risk. A first time P5 OC combined with a first time OL coach really scares me, and I can't help but wonder whether they are up to the task.

 

[rutgersal]

Al, don't let these facts get in the way: The Big 10 teams you mention above, have far more resources than we do in terms of ticket sales, donor contributions, football profits:

Tickets Sales: Ohio St. - $47M ( 104k stadium), Mich - $46M ( 109k stadium), Mich St. - $17M ( 75k stadium ), RU - $8.7M ( 52k stadium )
Football Profit: Michigan - $64M, Penn St. - $36M, Ohio St, - $40M, Mich St. - $26M, RU - $2M
Donor Contributions: Mich - $35M, Mich St. - $29M, Ohio St. - $28M, RU - $8.1M and last in Big 10

Until we are on equal footing with the Big Boys, you have to do the best you can with the limited resources you have. I have faith in Hobbs to increase the donor contributions. BTW, Mich, Mich St. & Ohio St. don't collect any athletic student fees where RU is 2nd with over $10M in student fees collected for athletics.

please see my response to Pa Knight, right above.

 

[Block R]

you and many others are basing your optimism on "hope", which really shouldn't be a strategy.

This has to be the single richest quote in the history of ScarletNation given the source.

Maybe now that you've trended towards the negative people will realize that your message board persona was never about being a great fan but always about drawing maximum attention.

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

This has to be the single richest quote in the history of ScarletNation given the source.

Maybe now that you've trended towards the negative people will realize that your message board persona was never about being a great fan but always about drawing maximum attention.

Check Mate

 

[rutgersdave]

RutgerAl never has an opinion in the middle. It's either far left or right.

THe Maryland HC hire is the same as Rutgers DC for Michigan and DC for Ohio State. The assistants might be stronger as for recruiting but they were losing HC.

 

[njknightsfan]

please see my response to Pa Knight, right above.

U of Miami is a private school and In conjunction with the university-wide Momentum2 fundraising campaign, UM has raised $1.6 billion total, $104 million for the athletic department.

 

[rutgersal]

No coach is ever a slam dunk. People are hopeful of Ash and the coaches he's hired so far based on strong recommendations of championship coaches, experience in championship programs and by achievements on the field. Oh yea, and also because we are Rutgers fans with a fresh start.

Ohio, Michigan, etc. are a little different, but yes, even they hire up and coming coaches without decades of P5 experience. I imagine many of the other schools going through coaching changes (Virginia, Iowa St, Cuse, Mizzu, etc.) look a lot more like us than they do Maryland.

No coach is ever a slam dunk, but teams hire experienced people at this level or a level below to mitigate risk.
Love Marylands Hire of Arkansas States OC, for example. And while powerhouses might hire a few coaches that are up and coming, they don't have a whole staff of up and coming coaches.

Dino Babers is bringing his own assistants from Bowling Green to Syracuse.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...e_joining_syracuse_fo.html#incart_river_index

 

[rutgersal]

THe Maryland HC hire is the same as Rutgers DC for Michigan and DC for Ohio State. The assistants might be stronger as for recruiting but they were losing HC.

Thats the point. though the assistants were failures as head coaches, the reason why they got to be head coaches, is that they proved themselves as assistants.

 

[ScarletEd]

You don't need OSU, UM, and PSU resources to make good hires. Miami doesn't, and still hired Marc Richt, because winning football is important to them, so alumni stepped up to the plate to make it happen. Richt it looks like, is going to try to bring most of his staff from Georgia. Maryland also made a strong hire, and is surrounding him with strong assistants. Sure both these situations might fail, but no one can go back and say they didn't do everything to try to succeed.

Which is why I really hate the cheapskate route we're taking. Sure, it might work out in the end, and I really hope it does, but this route is fraught with more risk. A first time P5 OC combined with a first time OL coach really scares me, and I can't help but wonder whether they are up to the task.

Looks to me like we're getting an "under the radar" new coaching staff.

 

[PaKnight]

You don't need OSU, UM, and PSU resources to make good hires. Miami doesn't, and still hired Marc Richt, because winning football is important to them, so alumni stepped up to the plate to make it happen. Richt it looks like, is going to try to bring most of his staff from Georgia. Maryland also made a strong hire, and is surrounding him with strong assistants. Sure both these situations might fail, but no one can go back and say they didn't do everything to try to succeed.

Which is why I really hate the cheapskate route we're taking. Sure, it might work out in the end, and I really hope it does, but this route is fraught with more risk. A first time P5 OC combined with a first time OL coach really scares me, and I can't help but wonder whether they are up to the task.

Last time I checked, Ash has made 3 of his 9 assistant coaching hires. How can anyone say that they are bad hires?

 

[PaKnight]

No coach is ever a slam dunk, but teams hire experienced people at this level or a level below to mitigate risk.
Love Marylands Hire of Arkansas States OC, for example. And while powerhouses might hire a few coaches that are up and coming, they don't have a whole staff of up and coming coaches.

Dino Babers is bringing his own assistants from Bowling Green to Syracuse.

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...e_joining_syracuse_fo.html#incart_river_index

3 hires, one who has been coaching for 35 years.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

I'm SO DAMN GLAD we did NOT hire Al "I can't coach" Golden or Mario "My Wife Owns Me" Cristobal. So...DAMN....GLAD.

That's all.

 

[RUInsanity]

You don't need OSU, UM, and PSU resources to make good hires. Miami doesn't, and still hired Marc Richt, because winning football is important to them, so alumni stepped up to the plate to make it happen. Richt it looks like, is going to try to bring most of his staff from Georgia. Maryland also made a strong hire, and is surrounding him with strong assistants. Sure both these situations might fail, but no one can go back and say they didn't do everything to try to succeed.

Which is why I really hate the cheapskate route we're taking. Sure, it might work out in the end, and I really hope it does, but this route is fraught with more risk. A first time P5 OC combined with a first time OL coach really scares me, and I can't help but wonder whether they are up to the task.

Miami has been associated with shady money and skirting violations for years. Maryland has UA money behind it. These comparisons are worth sh1t.

 

[rutgersal]

Miami has been associated with shady money and skirting violations for years. Maryland has UA money behind it. These comparisons are worth sh1t.

Real money paid for Marc Richt and some of it came from donors who care. If the many Rutgers alumni gave a little, it would be equivalent to UA giving a lot.

 

[rutgersal]

Last time I checked, Ash has made 3 of his 9 assistant coaching hires. How can anyone say that they are bad hires?

No one is saying they're bad. They could be good for all we know. But what I am saying is that it's risky to have your OL Coach as well as OC to be in their first year on this level.

 

[PaKnight]

No one is saying they're bad. They could be good for all we know. But what I am saying is that it's risky to have your OL Coach as well as OC to be in their first year on this level.

You said you don't need OSU, UM or PSU money to make good hires. If they are not good hires, what is left?

 

[lighty]

Honestly Zap, no one has any basis to trust or not trust Ash this point. The people exhibiting blind faith are almost as ridiculous as the naysayers.

Actually the basis to trust Ash is based largely on the FACT that most Meyer coaches have done well for themselves as head coaches.

Regarding the idea that Flood was a decent coach because of 3 bowl games in 4 years -- that is the PERFECT example of why bowl games are meaningless when they take 6-6 or worse teams. For someone to use that as an example of doing a good job is laughable. We were a few points shy of 4 bowl games in 5 years and it wouldn't have made him look any better.

Yes, we moved to a stronger conference. That doesn't explain the disaster which was in the AAC season and the multiple blowouts each year in our current division.Beating Maryland and Indiana doesn't say very much imo. He beat Michigan, but so did everyone else which is why they fired the coach.

He wasn't a good coach in any stretch of the imagination imo. He won a co-championship with half of the league in a season RU should have won it all. He blew the perfect opportunity for RU, which was good in the long run because he probably would have received a 10 year extension with a pure championship...

 

[ScarletEd]

You don't need OSU, UM, and PSU resources to make good hires. Miami doesn't, and still hired Marc Richt, because winning football is important to them, so alumni stepped up to the plate to make it happen. Richt it looks like, is going to try to bring most of his staff from Georgia. Maryland also made a strong hire, and is surrounding him with strong assistants. Sure both these situations might fail, but no one can go back and say they didn't do everything to try to succeed.

Which is why I really hate the cheapskate route we're taking. Sure, it might work out in the end, and I really hope it does, but this route is fraught with more risk. A first time P5 OC combined with a first time OL coach really scares me, and I can't help but wonder whether they are up to the task.

I agree. Looks like we're getting a young "under the radar" coaching staff.