It’s all about the money. How far are we from getting full shares of B1G $?
Until we get the money, we’re showing up at the formal in a T-shirt tux.
Until we get the money, we’re showing up at the formal in a T-shirt tux.
Who has the Authority to fire Hobbs and Ash ASAP ?
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First I have seen that on these boards. Would think that would have been a huge topic of discussion here.
Twitter and on here, You will have to go back 4 years.
Who knows if it is true, but it does makes sense.
This sums it up perfectly. Just like ash will be an effective coach someplace else.
While true, it is also important to consider that some of those programs have already achieved or appear on the path to achieving heights never or not in a very long time achieved at Rutgers.
Basically, Hobbs gets an A+ so far for non-Ash hires, and an A+ for fund raising. It appears he has really grown to understand contracts at Rutgers too. He has waited for non-revenue sports contracts to expire and then replaced those coaches.
He gets an F for selecting Ash and then another F for Ash's contract. Those are two big bad grades, but the best thing that can be said about them is they occurred in 2015.
He's going to get the chance to fix football one (more) time. I am hopeful that signs point in the right direction.
It really isn't rocket science to select a football coach. The same way it isn't to hire a field hockey or rowing coach.
The is a fair enough assessment but I would only give him a B/B+ for the non-Ash, non-fundraising issues, because of the swimming coach drama that cost us money, because he cancelled the UCLA game that cost us 750K, and for scheduling Syracuse (and to a lesser extent BC). Why even play those two again?
And UCLA currently looks relatively easy compared to BC and Syracuse. Or would Chip bring out Ricky Santos for the coin toss to haunt Rutgers?
*If* he is a fantastic fundraiser he should have had the money to can Ash last year. Maybe he did- but that makes it worse.
His scheduling moves have been totally duncey.
Invite precisely the two teams we want to keep out of NJ in- and let's not forget adding Delaware and Monmouth to the schedule.
That is correct, but my question is then...why didn't Hobbs raise the money to buyout Ash?
starting next year RU and Maryland are getting 'loan' money from B10,its like a forward payment untill B10 share comes into play.
Still Schools like Cincy,UCF,Houston, even Army do far more with LESS money then what Rutgers is getting from B10.
Maryland appears to have found the right HC with Locksley,who is reaping the benefits of good recruiting by DJ Durkin.
Funny ,State Penn can have a national scandal,have sanctions,Maryland has a player die ,then be successful programs and all RU and its AD along with other people in charge can give are ,excuses and woe is me,we have less money then other B10 schools.
Mismanagement and failed leadership.
because,and this is a what I heard from a close 'source'
(and I posted here ,at last seasons end there was a group that was attempting to buy Ash out)
there was a group of donors who went thru the channels to Hobbs last seasons end ,saying they had the money to donate to can Ash and to help hire a new HC.
Hobbs being a stubborn ,egotistical person,told this donor group he was keeping ASH and for them to donate to the athletic infrastructure building plan he has in place.
So ,the money to get rid of Asherror went to funding new athletic buildings.
Right now,Hobbs is part of the problem,not the solution.
Takes the cake as one of your worst posts. Are you serious about what you typed?
Do you know what a blue blood program is?
History and tradition of winning?
100,000 plus sold out stadium going back years?
Maybe Maryland is back. Let's pump the brakes a bit on that one.
RU could be back with the right head coach hire. Maybe in a year or two, some will realize (and even admit) that it was wise to wait another year to fire Ash.
Oh golly, BlockeRror, continuing with your "source." Sure.
The only sources that know for sure are Hobbs, Greg Brown, the Garrutis, the Towers and maybe one or two others. Everything else is rumor and speculation.
Other people here did say that is what happened.
Again I have to ask...IF Hobbs is a prolific fundraiser why did he not raise the money to buy out a coach with one win in his third year?
I am not saying for sure what happened...but that is the big question mark here.
It cannot be that Hobbs' is Schrodinger's AD...the AD who raises untold sums who cannot afford to buyout a bad coach.
That is a fair point about fund raising. But I really don't care that "other people did say that is what happened." The only ones I would want to hear from on that point are those that were in that purported group of donors. And it is doubtful that they post here.
Regardless, despite the blowout loss to Iowa and even if this year winds up 1-11 or 2-10, firing a new head coach after 3 years (regardless of 1-11) would send a signal to prospective head coach hires that Rutgers will fire you within 3 years, which, in my opinion is too soon to fire a coach.
You don't buyout 10 million contract UNLESS you have a HOME RUN hire ready to sign a contract .
The last thing Rutgers needs is to buy out Ash and have no one worthy to replace him... SEE KANSAS.
How long did it take Kansas football to recover from the Charlie Weis buyout?
The last thing Rutgers needs is to buy out Ash and have no one worthy to replace him... SEE KANSAS.
How long did it take Kansas football to recover from the Charlie Weis buyout?
Schiano wasn't interested in the job when Ash was hired. He used his proxies to feign interest in the UCF and Rutgers jobs to try and make himself look like a hot commodity to Miami. For him it was Miami or no head coaching job.
Hobbs knows he needs to fix football. Or else he is gone too. But anyone discounting the importance of fund raising and his work with the other sports is not paying attention. He will get another chance to hire a football coach. It will most likely be his last coach, successful or not. ADs don’t last too long at most schools.
Like I said, I'm not believing anything 100% one way or another until the fund raising question is answered- and it may never be.
I think if RU is going to be at the big boy table (and we are) we should act that way. Other B1G schools in my view would have fired a coach with a similar record, and not just OSU and Michigan, IMO. Though Illinois did keep Lovie, his results were somewhat better.
I could be mistaken but I interpreted the Schiano remark to be about last year...my recollection of 2015 is as you have it, with the caveat that Ash was hired quickly and it seems like not only GS but any other candidates did not get in person interviews.
No one knows who exactly interviewed, anyone who tells you who interviewed is either being fed bad info or just making up stuff. I do know, for certain, that several coaching candidates actively stayed away from even interviewing. This job was not wanted at all.
Our only hope is that Hobbs knew he couldn't afford/wouldn't be allowed to fire Ash so he convinced
donors that the next coach will find it easier to recruit if these Athletic infrastructure improvements were made
now (and not just be a design/plan on a drawing board.
But no other B1G program was in the same position as Rutgers--in a total rebuild mode. None. There is hope, however. Darell Hazell was horrific as Purdue's coach.
6-30 overall/ 2-22 in the B1G after 3 seasons. Ash is 7-29 overall and 3-24, which is much better than Hazell. :Sly: Hazell got at least part of a 4th year, and he was 3-3 when he got canned after getting beat 49-35 by Iowa.
What will be interesting is if Ash will get fired during the year. I think he should, but Hobbs has said before that he does not fire coaches mid year. We shall see.
But as @rutgersguy1 has pointed out, there is no recipe for success or failure. Hazell had head coaching experience, coming in after an 11-3 season as head coach of Kent State. Still think the preference will be a coach with head coaching experience.
I think it was just a matter of priorities with Hobbs. He tried to buy a year of time, hoping that the X% that Ash would turn it around was a significant number. Letting another year go by has two positives -- Ash would be owed for one fewer year and Rutgers will be taking in more conference money (and closer to its first big year of payouts that starts July 1, 2020.
The $100 million wasn't a fake number. Nor are the amount of facilities that have been built. It's just a matter of priorities.
Yes, he will. But the Hobbs supporters are gushing about how great of a fundraiser he is. That’s great and I am not discounting that, but there is more to the job then just fundraising and that he doubled down on ash after last season questions his competence .
We will never know why he stuck with Ash last year. He may have been told no buyout by Barchi or he might be too stubborn to admit his mistake. The $$ lost this year will be too much to swallow next season. I believe it’s 5 wins at minimum for Ash and if it was me, it’s bowl game or bust.
Funny because he seems to have not only nailed basketball, BUT, a handful of other sports as well (and keeping the FH coach on board who has turned that program around). He made a bad hire with Ash, no question, but otherwise he's doing a very, very good job for a STILL handcuffed A.D..
What was he supposed to say ONCE he knew there was no way in hell the BOG was letting him fire Ash? Com'on man you're smarter than that he HAS to be 100% supportive of his coaches!!!
Would love to buy your a beer at the next home game, but I ain't paying 11 bucks for that shite! Nice work.
Love how someone concludes that they talked to someone at Seton Hall who was connected. Kevin Willard seems to have worked out for them (Hobbs hire). Pikiell seems to be heading in the right direction, and hope he continues on his trajectory. I have confidence that Ash will get the next football hire right, and to the extent he feels he needs help from a football guru, can't he lean on Marco Battaglia? That guy should know a little about football.
Penn State is usually not listed as one of the 8 traditional blue blood programs. Solid team though.
Football is the steak. We are Sizzler competing with Old Homestead, Ruth's Chris, Morton's, Smith & Wolenski's,etc. Who cares if we have a decent salad bar. it's nice for Olympic sports to be good, but...
That combined with he came from the political Trenton network,then worked at Seton Hall ,a school WITHOUT A FOOTBALL PROGRAM.What qualifications,based on his background,and now track record,should Hobbs be entrusted to hire the next football coach?
Sure-- but their fanbase is and always has been rabid. They staunchly supported JoePa and Penn State through the Sandusky scandal and attacked accusers.
In comparison, when an issue arises at Rutgers, many of our fans run away in droves, not wanting to be associated with such an embarrassment.
Donors don’t like spending $ on getting rid of coaches. It’s a fact.
Perhaps the OP meant his title sarcastically, but it's clear who has the authority: Hobbs. But he would not do it without Barchi's approval, and Barchi would not do it without the BOG's approval.
Some of you may think that Barchi is unimportant now that he is a lame duck. That's not the way Rutgers generally works. For instance, deans and chancellors who are leaving are encouraged to act in a normal way even as lame ducks. Barchi is not the kind of guy who will shy away from controversy just because it's his last year.
The key question is whether Ash shows significant improvement this year. The powers that be will judge that at the end of the year. It's hard to see what the point is of firing Ash mid-season and having an acting or interim coach for the rest of the season.
Some of you may think that Barchi is unimportant now that he is a lame duck. That's not the way Rutgers generally works. For instance, deans and chancellors who are leaving are encouraged to act in a normal way even as lame ducks. Barchi is not the kind of guy who will shy away from controversy just because it's his last year.
The key question is whether Ash shows significant improvement this year. The powers that be will judge that at the end of the year. It's hard to see what the point is of firing Ash mid-season and having an acting or interim coach for the rest of the season.
Every year Ash stays it’s millions in lost Revenue for RU Athletics.(50% exodus of season ticket holders since Ash arrived). Ticket sales, Parking Revenues, Concessions, Donations all gone.
Hobbs should have brought these Budget calculations forward to Barchi and the BOG.
If he hasn’t he should be terminated as well.
