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APP: Jeff Towers: Rutgers boosters firmly behind Kyle Flood

I don't agree with the bolded statements at all. Straight off the bat recruiting would improve and we'd be having more NJ top 10 stay home due to the cache Schiano brings as a former NFL head coach as well as the charisma he brings. In the BE he already beat out OSU, Michigan, Miami, Alabama, PSU and USC for blue chip recruits. His time away in the NFL will only make him even better.

He had 2 9 win seasons and 1 11 win season in the BE all while pulling in worse recruiting classes than Pitt, Louisville, WVU and USF, with poorer facilities, perception and the threat of being doomed to a non-major conference hanging over his head... Only at the end once he built RU up to a respectable level did he start landing more blue chips.

Here is his record during his time at RU.

2001 Rutgers 2–9 0–7 8th
2002 Rutgers 1–11 0–7 8th
2003 Rutgers 5–7 2–5 7th
2004 Rutgers 4–7 1–5 6th
2005 Rutgers 7–5 4–3 3rd L Insight vs Arizona St.
2006 Rutgers 11–2 5–2 T–2nd W Texas #12 vs Kansas St.
2007 Rutgers 8–5 3–4 T–5th W International vc Ball State
2008 Rutgers 8–5 5–2 T–2nd W Papajohns.com vc NC State
2009 Rutgers 9–4 3–4 T–4th W St. Petersburg vs UCF
2010 Rutgers 4–8 1–6 8th
2011 Rutgers 9–4 4–3 T–4th W Pinstripe vs Iowa St
Total: Rutgers: 68–67 28–48
Total 2005 onward: 56-33 25-24

He would be able to get us into the 7-9 win range in the big ten also imo.

7/8 wins in regular seasons post 2006. The 9-win seasons you reference were 8 regular season wins plus a bowl win. Not a whole lot better than the 8 wins Flood brought us last year.

I want to move forward, not stand still.
 
No real moves will be made until we are getting full B1G share. And then? Maybe.

Not sure why people get their panties in a bunch.
 
No real moves will be made until we are getting full B1G share. And then? Maybe.

Not sure why people get their panties in a bunch.
Rutgers can not wait another 6 years to fund football and basketball. It's time for this Administration to step up and take advantage of being in the Big Ten
 
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Name calling always wins out over facts and statistics !
Wow. You called me out first...and now you can't take it back. Unreal! Talk about a thin skinned cellar dweller. Are you angry because your mommy didn't bring your dinner down to the basement?
If you want to dish nonsense out be prepared to take it back or STFU
 
I guess you don't work with budgets at work. I worked with budgets for over 35 years and yes, lower sales revenue is taken account considering the win loss record. With Flood, there is going to be a lot of losses. I suspect some of his supporters believe he will get us 6-7 wins consistently. I believe we will become a 3-5 win team consistently.
I guess thats where we disagree. I do think that he could get 6 wins consistently, if he can get past this craziness that happened the last few week.. But the second part of that equation is that I have very little faith in us getting a coach in 2015/2016 that will reach 6 wins.
 
Good luck with that.
Been an RU student, football and golf player over 30 years now. Season ticket holder and sadly except for a few years I completely understand how cheap RU can be. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it acceptable.
 
So, if we win 2 games this year they will still support him? I'm pretty sure losing will set us back a lot further than changing coaches. Is this guy a moron?
 
You can't possibly believe this. Flood has the best winning percentage of any football coach at Rutgers since Frank Burns. This year remains to be seen, and with the hand dealt I doubt it will be pretty, but lets admit- most on here pushing Flood out the door have been trying since 2012.


Flood in inherited a far better team and program then any coach in RU history.
 
I like Schiano, and think there a lot of good reasons for him- namely he would fix 3 problems- the off the field disgrace this program has become, his ability to build a defense, and ability to recruit.

He outrecruited TTFP and MD in the BE. He would do it again.

That said, right now the focus needs to be on the removal of Flood and Towers from this program, and then we can talk about Schiano versus the other prospects, of which there are many.

The real fans of Rutgers have one goal now, and that is the end of the Kyle Flood error. Let's get it done.

You were always very pro GS- as was I- and it appears you've stayed loyal to him. However I can't help but remember the constant "in year 11..." posts from people on this board, and how quickly the animosity towards Flood will rapidly transition to GS.

If the discipline is truly you're objection to Flood, I get it. But there is no mistaking Flood's relative success on the field- the BE share of the title that GS never won, a better win percentage. You can't cherry pick the Houston game and say "see, that's the real Flood."

Another fear of GS- he was dreadful against the spread offense. Hence his inability to ever beat WVU his entire career. Whats worse is everyone on the planet runs some form of it these days. They always played excellent run defense but the game has drifted away from that.
 
Tom Luicci wrote, "Schiano had five years left on a contract that paid him $2.3 million annually. He agreed to a five-year deal worth slightly more than $15 million to coach the Buccaneers, according to a person briefed on the negotiations."

So when was Schiano's pay cut supposedly to occur? 2018?
 
Help me, because I couldn't go through 6 pages to find the answer. Who is Jeff Towers and how much does he contribute per year?
 
Towers is a new booster. Hedge fund money. Friends with Flood and was the previously anonymous booster that paid for Flood's extension and buy out. Doing that was $1.7million in donations and/or pledges. Unknown if he gave any in addition to that.
 
The question is why would Schiano give up $3 Million next year (or a significant portion of that - say $1 to $1.5 Million) to come back and coach Rutgers when he can sit at home, do some TV analyst work, go watch his kids sports, volunteer coach at a HS and collect $3 million? Who really has the leverage here? If RU is desperate to replace Flood - then there leverage is greatly diminished. If you've ever been in any type of negotiation you would know that leverage lowers if one side is desperate and the other side knows it.

The longer he stays, the harder for him to get a good spot.
 
Simple answer to this thread. If you want Flood out open the checkbook (or find a friend that can) and write a much bigger check than Mr. Towers.

All talk and no action.

This thread has given me a great idea.We have all sorts of posters on the board, but there is no way to "weight" their posts. Are you a troll, trouble maker, true fan, flame thrower, etc. How many are all talk and no commitment. There are too many unimportant people who project a greater shadow on the board then they have earned.

So, here is my idea. Posters should be ranked by how much they give to RU. Donations, season tickets, etc. I would use the priority point system as the measure. Then I would assign a font size commensurate with the priority points. The higher the points, the bigger the font you are allowed to use to post on the board. You will see how committed the poster is, and you can discount the little font posters and focus on what the big supporters have to say!

Audi level posters should get to use "bold" as well as big font.

Six figure givers get to use bold and underline!

The bigger supporters, by way of their giving to RU, get the bigger words.

As the famous song lyric says,

"When you're rich they think you really know.".
 
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I don't agree with the bolded statements at all. Straight off the bat recruiting would improve and we'd be having more NJ top 10 stay home due to the cache Schiano brings as a former NFL head coach as well as the charisma he brings. In the BE he already beat out OSU, Michigan, Miami, Alabama, PSU and USC for blue chip recruits. His time away in the NFL will only make him even better.

He had 2 9 win seasons and 1 11 win season in the BE all while pulling in worse recruiting classes than Pitt, Louisville, WVU and USF, with poorer facilities, perception and the threat of being doomed to a non-major conference hanging over his head... Only at the end once he built RU up to a respectable level did he start landing more blue chips.

Here is his record during his time at RU.

2001 Rutgers 2–9 0–7 8th
2002 Rutgers 1–11 0–7 8th
2003 Rutgers 5–7 2–5 7th
2004 Rutgers 4–7 1–5 6th
2005 Rutgers 7–5 4–3 3rd L Insight vs Arizona St.
2006 Rutgers 11–2 5–2 T–2nd W Texas #12 vs Kansas St.
2007 Rutgers 8–5 3–4 T–5th W International vc Ball State
2008 Rutgers 8–5 5–2 T–2nd W Papajohns.com vc NC State
2009 Rutgers 9–4 3–4 T–4th W St. Petersburg vs UCF
2010 Rutgers 4–8 1–6 8th
2011 Rutgers 9–4 4–3 T–4th W Pinstripe vs Iowa St
Total: Rutgers: 68–67 28–48
Total 2005 onward: 56-33 25-24

He would be able to get us into the 7-9 win range in the big ten also imo.


Weren't all the team in the Big East facing the same issues around the conference?
 
Not surprised. As I have always said, the attitude of a message board is not reflective of the full fan base on an issue like the job status of K Flood, but instead reflects the attitude of those most inclined to be dissatisfied with a situation... therefore they come flocking to the message boards whining and complaining to each other. Those who feel otherwise really don't have the proclivity to run to a message board and argue with the malcontents. And this is reflective among most of the RU fans I know and those I have run into in the Yellow lot. People I know are frustrated with loss of players and realize Flood made a mistake with the email.. but none are thinking this is a firable offense, nor is it time to pull the plug on Flood. We had a nice first year in the BIG ten and a great bowl win. Football is cyclical, and most I know realize this was going to be a drop off year even before all the loss of defensive players. Everyone expected a significant drop off in the offense with the major turnover at all those key positions (QB & Oline) and all the young talent coming in this year.... ( so what that we had Big time, receivers and running back coming back) None of those players can be effective without the core of the Oline and QB performing at a high level. And with a first year starter at QB and at multiple Oline and FB positions it was just natural to expect a drop off. And without Hamilton and all the DB's lost to their legal issues.. .well that just compounds the issues. Flood will be back. He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things.
"He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things"? Problem is that his terrible recruiting and dismal coaching will ensure that the downward cycle will continue as long as he is here and probably a few years after all the damage is done.
 
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Flood in inherited a far better team and program then any coach in RU history.
That's what I've been saying all along, if I remember correctly we were picked to win the conference his first two seasons and seriously underachieved. Please don't bring up sharing the BE title in year 1, it was a 4 way tie and we were actually 3rd.

Year two was a disaster and has been a precursor for things to come, the blowouts continue.
 
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"He has earned a down year in the cyclical nature of things"? Problem is that his terrible recruiting and dismal coaching will ensure that the downward cycle will continue as long as he is here and probably a few years after all the damage is done.
Anybody that says Flood has earned a down year or anything else since he has been here is a crazy person. Using Flood's own standard of 'total body of work' says he should be fired.
 
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I'm confused. Was his terrible year in the aac an up year that buys him good will?
I think the AAC season was when he was learning on the job and the blowouts were because we didn't have the personnel to match up with spread offenses...I'm sure there are more excuses but I think those are the top 2.
 
Been an RU student, football and golf player over 30 years now. Season ticket holder and sadly except for a few years I completely understand how cheap RU can be. Doesn't make it right, doesn't make it acceptable.

But it is reality.

You played football and golf at RU?
 
Who said that?
Earlier in this thread someone posted that Flood has earned the right to have a down year, or something to that effect.

No one directly said the AAC year earned Flood good will...not trying to speak for brgossRU90 but I think he is trying to point out the same as I am...Flood hasn't earned any good will.
 
This article says more about Rutgers than Towers.

If Rutgers didn't continue to run a Mickey Mouse operation then we wouldn't need this guy.
 
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Anyone donating the kind of money this person does has my respect, regardless of whether or not I share his specific views on the program.

Rutgers is in no position to alienate any donors of this size. That doesn't stop fans here from disparaging the guy, as unfortunate as it is.
 
How can you not disparage a guy that says something as facile and patently false as "if we got rid of flood it might set the program back permanently?"
 
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How can you not disparage a guy that says something as facile and patently false as "if we got rid of flood it might set the program back permanently?"

That's his opinion. I see more absurd things posted here every day. At least this guy is putting real money into the program. With the paltry donations we get compared to peers, his contributions are valuable. It's up to Jules to placate him.
 
Quite honestly, if the only option is to bring back Schiano, I'd rather keep Flood another year. At least that way you have the possibility of replacing Flood with someone else next year. If you bring back Schiano, you are stuck with him for 5 years or longer.

Schiano was great in 2001, building a program. He caught lighting in a bottle in 2006. But after that he never got the program to the next level. He didn't get us past the 7/8 win seasons in the Big East.

Sure, he might be better than Flood, but he hasn't shown the ability to get Rutgers to the next level.

To step backwards to Schiano would set Rutgers Football back for 5 years or longer.

How can you not disparage a guy that says something as facile and patently false as "if we got rid of flood it might set the program back permanently?"

I said something similar in this thread, and you liked my post.
 
I am neutral on Greg Schiano. Nobody is going deny that he has a huge ego.
He left Rutgers making $2.3M per year when Rutgers was in a dying conference.
He is making $3 million to sit at home and do whatever he wants.

Totally different scenario because the guy has a wacky history, but some parallels because he left to go to the NFL and also a huge ego--Bobby Petrino.
When he left Louisville, he was making $1.6Million/year, and would have made a maximum of $2.6Million/year in 2016.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigeast/2006-07-13-louisville-petrino_x.htm

Leaves Atlanta Falcons, goes to Arkansas where his reputation takes a hit, and comes back to Louisville at a a salary of $3.5Million/year.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21347707

For those who are not math jocks, that is more than double what he was making at Louisville when he left 7 years earlier. Before coming back to Louisville, Petrino took the WKU job at $850,000/year.

Greg Schiano does not have the W-L record Petrino had/has. But he is also smart enough to not take a major pay cut from his old employer when his old employer is now in a P5 conference. Plus, he will see a Rutgers that seems less football friendly than it was when he left with a President that does not support big time football.

Why would he come back to Rutgers at a huge pay cut? He could take the USF job, which is paying Willie Taggart $2Million/year, or UCF, which is paying $2Million/year, neither of which requiring a major move. A couple of years at one of those jobs, and they he gets his major payday.
 
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I am neutral on Greg Schiano. Nobody is going deny that he has a huge ego.
He left Rutgers making $2.3M per year when Rutgers was in a dying conference.
He is making $3 million to sit at home and do whatever he wants.

Totally different scenario because the guy has a wacky history, but some parallels because he left to go to the NFL and also a huge ego--Bobby Petrino.
When he left Louisville, he was making $1.6Million/year, and would have made a maximum of $2.6Million/year in 2016.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigeast/2006-07-13-louisville-petrino_x.htm

Leaves Atlanta Falcons, goes to Arkansas where his reputation takes a hit, and comes back to Louisville at a a salary of $3.5Million/year.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/21347707

For those who are not math jocks, that is more than double what he was making at Louisville when he left 7 years earlier. Before coming back to Louisville, Petrino took the WKU job at $850,000/year.

Greg Schiano does not have the W-L record Petrino had/has. But he is also smart enough to not take a major pay cut from his old employer when his old employer is now in a P5 conference. Plus, he will see a Rutgers that seems less football friendly than it was when he left with a President that does not support big time football.

Why would he come back to Rutgers at a huge pay cut? He could take the USF job, which is paying Willie Taggart $2Million/year, or UCF, which is paying $2Million/year, neither of which requiring a major move. A couple of years at one of those jobs, and they he gets his major payday.

And here is the potential winner. Schiano and family love Florida, I believe both of those schools would embrace Schiano, he would be afforded much more leeway and support, he recruits Florida well and could steal some very good NJ kids that want to get out of town and still have some sort of NJ ties and the math makes more sense.
 
Anyone donating the kind of money this person does has my respect, regardless of whether or not I share his specific views on the program.

Rutgers is in no position to alienate any donors of this size. That doesn't stop fans here from disparaging the guy, as unfortunate as it is.

A mega-$ donation from a non-alum does not automatically command "respect." And a hedge fund guy? Cmon, man. I say "Thanks for the donation. We're grateful. But you get no influence for your $."
 
Let's hold on on the "mega" donation talk.

The only bit of confirmation anyone can find is that he donated $1MM, specifically earmarked for Fridge's contract, and then guaranteed $700k to fund a portion of Flood's buyout.

Yes, we need people willing to give a $1MM. No, that shouldn't entitle them to create a false narrative in the press, portraying themselves as the voice of a contingent of boosters. The guys who built the recruiting lounge have given at least that much money and aren't out in the press managing the story.

We're not Monmouth. $1MM shouldn't buy you that kind of perceived power here.
 
Then why bring up Alabama? Alabama can do things that we cannot. They have the money and resources to do pay for whoever they want. We are not in a position to pay for anyone that will even be equal to or better than Flood right now. THAT IS WHAT TOWERS IS SAYING. THAT IS WHAT BARCHI HAS INDIRECTLY SAID by telling you we are not contributing money to the football program. I agree permanent is an exaggeration but we are at risk to not have a record equal to 2014 for more than an decade. Is this guaranteed? No. But I am 100% certain that in 4 years we will have a much better chance to be in the same spot or better with this program with Flood than with another coach with what we will be willing to commit to. The more likely scenario with a new coach will be that our roster will be at a Kansas or UConn level in 4 years and then the next coach will have to start where Schiano started. So tack on another 5-8 years before we see results. Thats 9-12 years before we are what will some people think we will be next year or the year after with a new coach. The funniest part is that people honestly think that somehow Schiano is somehow going to crawl back for less money than what he left with and no commitment from the higher ups to put money into the program.



This is 100% true and people just don't see it. I do not have much faith in Flood bringing us a national championship. But I do have faith in him keeping us afloat until we have the resources to take the next step if we wish. That is of course unless our fanbase eats our own and in return ruins the program. I am hoping that doesn't happen.


stop it...you are saying that firing Flood means we wont be successful for 9-12 years...just stop it.
 
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Let's hold on on the "mega" donation talk.

The only bit of confirmation anyone can find is that he donated $1MM, specifically earmarked for Fridge's contract, and then guaranteed $700k to fund a portion of Flood's buyout.

Yes, we need people willing to give a $1MM. No, that shouldn't entitle them to create a false narrative in the press, portraying themselves as the voice of a contingent of boosters. The guys who built the recruiting lounge have given at least that much money and aren't out in the press managing the story.

We're not Monmouth. $1MM shouldn't buy you that kind of perceived power here.

It's been reported multiple times that he could possibly give 8 digits for the facilities upgrades, but who knows if he's committed anything yet.
 
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