The funniest part of this thread are the people talking about taking the money away by ticket sales when the only way to get rid of him would be if we added enough money into the program to make the coaching job attractive to better coaches.
APP: Jeff Towers: Rutgers boosters firmly behind Kyle Flood
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The terms of his contract are probably not public. However he is at a minimum a solid candidate for a College HC job and worth a phone call or interview by Universities with open positions. Given the relative sparse amount of interviews - it is likely that he's comfortable biding his time and making $3 mil per year until his buyout becomes manageable for a potential suitor.
If you were in his position - what would you do? If I'm making $3 Million and get to Coach my kid's little league team, play some golf, make a few bucks as an Analyst on ESPN, make a few appearances etc....it would be extremely enticing vs. working 100 hours per week, never seeing your family, being on the road 150 days a year in recruiting in some kid's living room.
He can always go back to work in 2016 after his TB money runs dry. Even if he doesn't end up as a College HC - he has high value as a Pro DC - assuming he can keep the ego in check.
For some reason people here think Schiano would be jumping at the chance to essentially give back $1.5 million in order to Coach RU at a salary close to what Flood is being paid.
I didn't miss any off that. You know some of the facts and you still can't comprehend rational thought. Schiano was making $3 million in the NFL. That is the National Football League not college. He is owed one more year at 3 million but in all that time he didn't receive at least a 3 million offer for a job in the NFL. Forget what he made at RU under Mulcahy. Those days are gone.
Did you ever think why he left RU? Besides the lure of the NFL? He was told he would have to take a paycut at the end if his contract with RU. So he gets his $15 mill and now can take any job at any price as they are set for life.
The stupidity on this board that he is going to demand $3 mill and get $3 mill from any college when he gets back in the game is f-ing dumbfounding
The NY Mets are the best analogy for Rutgers and gives me hope that eventually we will spend the cash that is necessary to bring in the type of management we need in Football to build the program back up. Flood is a caretaker who got the job by default.
The Mes refused to spend and were proverbial losers. This year they went out our got Cespedes and a few others at the deadline and they are in the hunt. Now the fans are back they are excited and the ballpark is full . Its fun to root for the Mets again. Over the last 5 years i stopped watching games and was not interested. Why should i invest my time and energy if the owner of the team wont go out and do what is necessary to bring a competitive product to the market. The owner cared less about the team than the fans.
Like it or not Rutgers is in the same situation and until the University understands that the FB program will languish in the lower third of the B1G like Indiana or Purdue.
The Mes refused to spend and were proverbial losers. This year they went out our got Cespedes and a few others at the deadline and they are in the hunt. Now the fans are back they are excited and the ballpark is full . Its fun to root for the Mets again. Over the last 5 years i stopped watching games and was not interested. Why should i invest my time and energy if the owner of the team wont go out and do what is necessary to bring a competitive product to the market. The owner cared less about the team than the fans.
Like it or not Rutgers is in the same situation and until the University understands that the FB program will languish in the lower third of the B1G like Indiana or Purdue.
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NJ.com immediately started a discredit Jeff Towers campaign by posting an story about a negative incident regarding tweeting recruit that happen more than 9 months ago and was properly addressed by RU more than 7 months ago.
Something missing in the Schiano math...3mil with Florida income tax vs 1.5 mil NJ tax
No work vs 90 hr work weeks
Yeah, I see why he would take it
No work vs 90 hr work weeks
Yeah, I see why he would take it
Incorrect. Ticket money is paying off the debt of the expansion not adding to Athletics coffers. If falls below a certain level than yes RU has to make up the guaranteed difference.
Whitebus, I'm asking this because I am curious and not to back you or attack you. Where did you hear Schiano was told he would have to take a pay cut if he stayed here?
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He left RU because he would have to take a paycur, and now he's going to come back and take that paycut because he made a little more than he would have had he stayed at Rutgers and coached out his contract?
in what world does that make sense.
if he's interested hes going to take advantage of the fact that we are desperate enough to want him back.
$1.5 million is what you pay a Mac coach, not a long time Bcs hc. MIke Leach is making $2.75 million and eastern Washington is dirt cheap compared nj.
Directly from TP in the Scarlet Lot the early afternoon before the Louisville game for the BCS shot. Have multiple people that were part of the conversation and pictures of TP holding a B1G flag for the very first time with all of us.
Geezer Der of all people you can figure this out on your own.
He hasn't been offered any jobs approaching anything near $3 million as he has been collecting it from Tampa! Do you really think for a second Greg Schiano would stay outside of football if he was offered $3 million from anyone???
Damn some of your hatred for him and this crap that he will only come back to RU as a head coach for $3 WHEN HE HAS ZERO OFFERS amazes me. Hate the guy as much as you want but stop with this excuse he isn't taking a job anywhere without a paycut. Tons of coaches take pay cuts to get back into the HC ranks.
Did you notice who was the OC on the RU sidelines last year???
Der, jeez I know you are smarter than these post. If you really believe this nonsense tell me why GS isn't a head coach right now?
Der, go up and down just the NFL coaching ranks. Look how many HC are getting paid so much less as coordinators. Multiply that by 100 in the college ranks. So many of you hate him but than you go overboard and think he won't take a pay cut. For crying out load you can't have or both ways. "He sucks but he's going demand pro money in college"
interesting--some people know what schiano thinks and what he needs--and they throw stones at a big giver--wonder how much they actually give to RU
Der has no idea why he left Rutgers. He is speculating.
I have heard him say he wanted to challenge himself at the most elite level of the profession. I wouldn't argue that comp had something to do with it, but for Der to say he left Rutgers because of comp is ridiculous, unless he is friends with Schiano and was confided in. We know that isn't the case.
I have heard him say he wanted to challenge himself at the most elite level of the profession. I wouldn't argue that comp had something to do with it, but for Der to say he left Rutgers because of comp is ridiculous, unless he is friends with Schiano and was confided in. We know that isn't the case.
Hudson nailed it.
This is why the 95% of our fans with basic common sense who want to see RU with on and off the field success and not at the bottom of the p5 and in NCAA crosshairs, who knows Flood must go, have to email, tweet, Facebook whatever to this admin and let them know: Keep Flood and lose ticket sales, concessions, and parking.
They will lose more money- and whatever goodwill is out there- with Flood.
This is why the 95% of our fans with basic common sense who want to see RU with on and off the field success and not at the bottom of the p5 and in NCAA crosshairs, who knows Flood must go, have to email, tweet, Facebook whatever to this admin and let them know: Keep Flood and lose ticket sales, concessions, and parking.
They will lose more money- and whatever goodwill is out there- with Flood.
You would be hard pressed to find a MAC or AAC coach worse than Flood on and off the field. Nevermind Schiano. I would basically take Schiano or any top half midmajor coach at this point.
Schiano would never need one millionaire moron from Wisconsin to recruit for him and violate NCAA rules, nevermind the criminality and the email fiasco and the total onfield disaster.
Schiano would never need one millionaire moron from Wisconsin to recruit for him and violate NCAA rules, nevermind the criminality and the email fiasco and the total onfield disaster.
we need to pull a Villanova who somehow got UMass to stupidly take Lappas to clear the path to steal Wright from us at the 11th hour--we need a UMass or someone in the AAC/MAC/insert mid-to-low FBS team to take Elmer Flood off our hands...
i do worry we keep flood because he is cheap...flood underachieved with GS's teams despite a winning overall record...and single-handily cost us the 2012 season.
i do worry we keep flood because he is cheap...flood underachieved with GS's teams despite a winning overall record...and single-handily cost us the 2012 season.
Please reconcile this plan with the fact that anyone who posts on this board that they're sick of the failure and aren't renewing next year immediately gets trolled without mercy.
Fact is, ticket sales are up this year over last. That may be attributable to last season's relative success. It will be interesting to see where we land next April once all the votes are in, after a 3 win season.
Very well said, particularly the part of message board malcontents being unrepresentative of the overall fan base. The unfortunate part though is that some posters/readers or even recruits may not realize that.
I thought Schiano himself has indicated he is looking to get back in the college game. He can afford to wait for the right situation for another year but with only one more year left on his Tampa contract I think he would be very interested and more aggressive this off season. As a poster above indicated, I would think his contract has some type of offset clause, meaning that if he gets a job at market value TB only has to make up the difference to the $3MM. I don't know this as a fact but many coaches comeback before the contracts have expired elsewhere after being terminated. Maybe he could also work out a settlement to take the right offer. Thus if he wants back in and I would think he does, the school does not necessarily need to pay him $3MM next year. In fact they might get a little discount. What does TB have to lose if they are on the hook for the full amount if he sits anyway? Not saying this because I am a strong advocate of Greg although he looks better everyday. I for one thought he peaked here and that we would have had a real decision to make as his contract got closer to expiration.
FWIW, the real issue seems to be Bob Barchi. We have heard the stories about his mentality toward the football program before and if they are really true then why are any of us continuing to buy tickets for games. He is supposedly not a dumb man but his insistence on having this program self funded and believing he can allow the product to deteriorate and not extend the window for when break even is achieved is hard to comprehend. Seems like there should be some smart people around him that he trusts that could get this point across. Evidently JH is not one of them. I don't think the donor base will be plentiful for awhile but good teams getting good press would sure make it easier to pick up the phone and have a pleasant conversation than it is right now given where this train is headed.
FWIW, the real issue seems to be Bob Barchi. We have heard the stories about his mentality toward the football program before and if they are really true then why are any of us continuing to buy tickets for games. He is supposedly not a dumb man but his insistence on having this program self funded and believing he can allow the product to deteriorate and not extend the window for when break even is achieved is hard to comprehend. Seems like there should be some smart people around him that he trusts that could get this point across. Evidently JH is not one of them. I don't think the donor base will be plentiful for awhile but good teams getting good press would sure make it easier to pick up the phone and have a pleasant conversation than it is right now given where this train is headed.
Just keep stating your fabricated statistics about how they Call Taylor Ham "pork Roll" in North Jersey. You blew any credibility with me on that thread a few months ago.
Wow. What a lame answer to the question. Carry on idiot.
BTW nobody sells Taylor Ham.
You can't possibly believe this. Flood has the best winning percentage of any football coach at Rutgers since Frank Burns. This year remains to be seen, and with the hand dealt I doubt it will be pretty, but lets admit- most on here pushing Flood out the door have been trying since 2012.
I am not renewing if he is back. I don't think they get trolled.
I think the reality is that for some fans, the success of the team is secondary. They like their tailgate. It's an escape. So they think everyone should feel that way. That, and like 5 people post in every thread how Flood should have a lifetime contract, wah wah don't even read it because it's not the reality.
For me, I am giving up and a lot of time and money, and I really hate that as an alum, my alma mater, which was aligned with doing things the right way off the field for a long time, can no longer make that claim.
I think there are more people in my camp on this one. You, me, JH, Barchi and 40,000 others heard it rain boos when Flood came on the big board. Keeping Flood is basically a giant middle finger to the fans from the admin, and I don't buy from those who flip me off.
How many MAC or AAC coaches have been suspended this year for academic fraud...how many tried to hire their booster when he was unqualified, how many have 7 arrrests....
4 of those wins were against winning programs...in 4 years....
I supported Flood, even though it was evident he was totally unqualified from the get go. I knew he was a bad coach starting with the Houston game, but this year also learned he has no control over this program and is an off the field embarassment.
Quite honestly, if the only option is to bring back Schiano, I'd rather keep Flood another year. At least that way you have the possibility of replacing Flood with someone else next year. If you bring back Schiano, you are stuck with him for 5 years or longer.
Schiano was great in 2001, building a program. He caught lighting in a bottle in 2006. But after that he never got the program to the next level. He didn't get us past the 7/8 win seasons in the Big East.
Sure, he might be better than Flood, but he hasn't shown the ability to get Rutgers to the next level.
To step backwards to Schiano would set Rutgers Football back for 5 years or longer.
Schiano was great in 2001, building a program. He caught lighting in a bottle in 2006. But after that he never got the program to the next level. He didn't get us past the 7/8 win seasons in the Big East.
Sure, he might be better than Flood, but he hasn't shown the ability to get Rutgers to the next level.
To step backwards to Schiano would set Rutgers Football back for 5 years or longer.
I wish Schiano would just take a job, any job, so Rutgers fans can just move on. You can't even worry anymore that he's going to take all the NJ talent, since Flood isn't get it anyways and it's staying in the Big Ten East.
I like Schiano, and think there a lot of good reasons for him- namely he would fix 3 problems- the off the field disgrace this program has become, his ability to build a defense, and ability to recruit.
He outrecruited TTFP and MD in the BE. He would do it again.
That said, right now the focus needs to be on the removal of Flood and Towers from this program, and then we can talk about Schiano versus the other prospects, of which there are many.
The real fans of Rutgers have one goal now, and that is the end of the Kyle Flood error. Let's get it done.
He outrecruited TTFP and MD in the BE. He would do it again.
That said, right now the focus needs to be on the removal of Flood and Towers from this program, and then we can talk about Schiano versus the other prospects, of which there are many.
The real fans of Rutgers have one goal now, and that is the end of the Kyle Flood error. Let's get it done.
I guess you don't work with budgets at work. I worked with budgets for over 35 years and yes, lower sales revenue is taken account considering the win loss record. With Flood, there is going to be a lot of losses. I suspect some of his supporters believe he will get us 6-7 wins consistently. I believe we will become a 3-5 win team consistently.
I don't agree with the bolded statements at all. Straight off the bat recruiting would improve and we'd be having more NJ top 10 stay home due to the cache Schiano brings as a former NFL head coach as well as the charisma he brings. In the BE he already beat out OSU, Michigan, Miami, Alabama, PSU and USC for blue chip recruits. His time away in the NFL will only make him even better.
He had 2 9 win seasons and 1 11 win season in the BE all while pulling in worse recruiting classes than Pitt, Louisville, WVU and USF, with poorer facilities, perception and the threat of being doomed to a non-major conference hanging over his head... Only at the end once he built RU up to a respectable level did he start landing more blue chips.
Here is his record during his time at RU.
2001 Rutgers 2–9 0–7 8th
2002 Rutgers 1–11 0–7 8th
2003 Rutgers 5–7 2–5 7th
2004 Rutgers 4–7 1–5 6th
2005 Rutgers 7–5 4–3 3rd L Insight vs Arizona St.
2006 Rutgers 11–2 5–2 T–2nd W Texas #12 vs Kansas St.
2007 Rutgers 8–5 3–4 T–5th W International vc Ball State
2008 Rutgers 8–5 5–2 T–2nd W Papajohns.com vc NC State
2009 Rutgers 9–4 3–4 T–4th W St. Petersburg vs UCF
2010 Rutgers 4–8 1–6 8th
2011 Rutgers 9–4 4–3 T–4th W Pinstripe vs Iowa St
Total: Rutgers: 68–67 28–48
Total 2005 onward: 56-33 25-24
He would be able to get us into the 7-9 win range in the big ten also imo.
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I don't think it's a foregone conclusion Greg would out recruit State Penn. Maryland, yes, but not PSU automatically.
He's a better Xs and Os coach than Franklin and is a better snake oil salesman than Franklin. He also has an NFL head coaching pedagree something Frankliar does not have. If we had Schiano the only think PSU would have over us is better gameday atmosphere. So I think he would beat out PSU for most NJ recruits more often than not. I forget who said it, but one of the mods did say that Schiano "could cell ice to eskimos".
