Giving the school more money won't help when there is an inside situation of people protecting flood. It would merely be used to give him another raise and extension.
APP: Jeff Towers: Rutgers boosters firmly behind Kyle Flood
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Why the f*ck would we stick with Flood when Schiano is still available after this year? F*cking ridiculous...
Let's do some simple math.
For arguments sake, let's be KIND and say, on avearge, 5,000 less people in the stands.
For simplicity, let's make these people casual fans, not season ticket holders.
Does HCKF get a raise next year? We'll leave that out.
If replacing him with an upgrade costs us an extra $750k a year net, we have 7 home games.
7*5,000=35,000 annual empty seats.
750,000/35,000= $21.45 per person expenditure to break even on a new coach re: lost customers.
Do the math...Barchi is a lot of things, flat out DUMB isn't one of them.
If we assume that the average person will spend $75 in ticket, parking and concessions, and if we average 5,000 less fans due to apathy, we would increase the deficit by many multiples of the estimated coaching expenses.
Great!!?...let's also attacked one of our best players along with one of our largest boosters!!!...brilliant....only at RU!!
I noticed a prospective large donor along with Julie during pregame with WSU...he WASN'T an RU alum or RU connections....don't know how he'd feel about a significant booster being attacked by RU "fans"
+10000
This is spot on. Biggest curse was exceeding expectations last year and despite reasons mentioned above, folks seemed to expect equal or better results this year. Talk about unrealistic. We are still just one year removed from playing AAC/ big east caliber schedules and the competition is so much stronger. After a strong first year in which we played some traditional powers in a weakened state (psu, UM ) with an experienced offense, it was blatently obvious to me that we were in for a rough season, and that was before the issues with the loss of all the defensive players. In my mind, even before the losses on D, a 4-5 win season was going to be tough to achieve in this rebuilding mode and I now would not be surprised if we only wound up with three wins. This will be no shocker and in my mind is all part of the cyclical nature of the game. Especially playing the schedule we do. I would think the decision makers are probably looking at this the same way which is why KF will likely be the HC again next year
Then why bring up Alabama? Alabama can do things that we cannot. They have the money and resources to do pay for whoever they want. We are not in a position to pay for anyone that will even be equal to or better than Flood right now. THAT IS WHAT TOWERS IS SAYING. THAT IS WHAT BARCHI HAS INDIRECTLY SAID by telling you we are not contributing money to the football program. I agree permanent is an exaggeration but we are at risk to not have a record equal to 2014 for more than an decade. Is this guaranteed? No. But I am 100% certain that in 4 years we will have a much better chance to be in the same spot or better with this program with Flood than with another coach with what we will be willing to commit to. The more likely scenario with a new coach will be that our roster will be at a Kansas or UConn level in 4 years and then the next coach will have to start where Schiano started. So tack on another 5-8 years before we see results. Thats 9-12 years before we are what will some people think we will be next year or the year after with a new coach. The funniest part is that people honestly think that somehow Schiano is somehow going to crawl back for less money than what he left with and no commitment from the higher ups to put money into the program.
This is 100% true and people just don't see it. I do not have much faith in Flood bringing us a national championship. But I do have faith in him keeping us afloat until we have the resources to take the next step if we wish. That is of course unless our fanbase eats our own and in return ruins the program. I am hoping that doesn't happen.
That's just it...people with Internet keyboard and Internet virtual cash are very boisterous.
I will believe Rutgers will make these moves when they do. And I'm not saying your math numbers aren't wrong. What is in question is if that actually happens.
"How did Pitt make out after Wannstedt? - Maryland after Fridge? PSU?, Syracuse?, Uconn? People forget how hard it is to get a coaching change right."
one of many, many differences in this comparison is that the coaches you're talking about were not given the job by default. The schools went out and got the person they wanted.
If Flood was the choice after a national coaching search people would probably feel different towards the guy. He wasn't. Others turned down the job and RU basically gave it to Flood out of desperation.
one of many, many differences in this comparison is that the coaches you're talking about were not given the job by default. The schools went out and got the person they wanted.
If Flood was the choice after a national coaching search people would probably feel different towards the guy. He wasn't. Others turned down the job and RU basically gave it to Flood out of desperation.
Maybe Towers should focus more on not committing NCAA violations in our name, huh?
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...t_by_booster_jeff_towers_to_njs_3_best_f.html
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i...t_by_booster_jeff_towers_to_njs_3_best_f.html
Yeah sorry no.
If Towers is going to interject himself into this conversation as the voice of "big boosters" he needs to buckle his chin strap. He knows--or at least should know--that the fan base is ready to drive HCKF to the airport. When Towers takes his support from behind closed doors, he is now part of the public discourse. If he is that tone deaf to not understand that, then that isn't the fanbase's problem either.
He has only been mentioned in passing around here up until this article.
His ego or hurt feelings can take a back seat to the program, 6 days a week and twice on Sunday.
Yeah, but don't we as fans show that we are supplying the bullets to the gang that can't shoot straight (our administration)...with equal stupidity by attacking people trying to help us fianacially.
The only fans can do is not go to games and let it hit the bottom line in lost sales...the math could be staggering as someone above has already done the math.
Sorry, I just don't donate as much as this Towers guy to cover his donation....but I sure as heck don't want to lose his money.
How do you continue to lower the subsidy if ticket revenue decreases significantly? If 5000 fewer fans buy tickets each game, that costs Rutgers about $1.5MM in ticket revenue. Add to that lost parking, concession, and donation revenue.
I don't want his money to go away. But if what he wants/demands is not in the best interest of the longterm sustainability of the university and the program, then it is what it is.
From an article I just read, he donated $1M toward HCKF and staff salaries. He guaranteed about $700k more in buyout money. I don't take that lightly. But it's not like he is donating Ross money at Michigan. Or T. Boone money at OSU. You put up with those crazy bastards, cause they've given hundreds of millions.
A $1M in cash and a guarantee of $700k more, shouldn't buy you the keys to the B10 program's kingdom.
Greg Brown has donated many multiples of that in his lifetime. If a booster is going to start driving the bus, I prefer it be one who actually attended the school and has been active for 2+ decades.
If Towers and his buddies want to keep Flood that's fine. I'm fine with him being head coach a la Joe Paterno at the end of his career. They need to spend the money and get top notch coordinators and coaches. At this level you can't be promoting special teams and wide receivers coaches to coordinators. They got Ralph and missed the boat on Smith. You have to surround him with top notch coordinators. Because he is neither. He is simply an ambassador and organizer and that's it.
Post of the thread.
What has to be assessed, in with everything else, is Flood's relationship with the NJ coaches. Is he doing everything he can to get the top recruits here? I've heard unsubstantiated complaints to the contrary.
One of those being Cristobal, who was relieved of duties the next year. I don't see anything special happening at BC with Adazzio yet. A couple of 7-6 ACC seasons after a bad year is not really progress. Duke favored next week by 6.5. Temple seems to be the winner, and they were forced into a change. Given more time, maybe the search would have been more interesting, but I think RU made the right pick.
And I would wager most of them never or very seldom have been to a Rutgers football game ...most people realize it's a tricky situation but the reality is ...Flood will be here at least in 2016...if for nothing else it will allow the decision makers to see who is available and at a reasonable salary of 2-3 mil and don't forget enough$ $$$ to cover a good staff...if you think 2-3 is way to much better think again.
The biggest fallacy in this thread is the assumption that the fan base wants to drive the coach out of town. A dozen or two posters have said it just like they have in past years. Then we win a few games and the number drops to just a couple with the permanent dump Flood agendas tattooed on their foreheads. For every 1 person booing during Flood's charity promotion video 500 or more couldn't care less. And many of those were appalled that anyone would boo the charitable intent of the video.
When it comes time to sing a couple of verses of "Good-bye Ally" we all will know it. That time is not near. But in the meantime keep sniping at the man and the program and some players who want to play for him. Maybe you can convince some potential fans and God forbid a potential recruit or a potential big donor to keep away. The point is that critics who complain multiple times each day are doing their best to make sure Flood turns out to be another Terry Shea and not a Frank Beamer.
When it comes time to sing a couple of verses of "Good-bye Ally" we all will know it. That time is not near. But in the meantime keep sniping at the man and the program and some players who want to play for him. Maybe you can convince some potential fans and God forbid a potential recruit or a potential big donor to keep away. The point is that critics who complain multiple times each day are doing their best to make sure Flood turns out to be another Terry Shea and not a Frank Beamer.
Name your "unsubstantiated " sources... you just gotta love people who continue to do exactly what the NJ.com media does...throw crap against the wall...hope it sticks and then say, " I've heard unsubstantiated complaints to the contrary"...that just BS and typical for the New Jersey area...people are like sheep ...
Trotting out the fantasy of another frank beamer seems to be the last refuge around here when the coach has no real accomplishments to talk about.
I find it interesting that the first reaction of many of the predictable posters here is to attack Towers rather than giving any consideration to the fact that some of what he says might have some validity.
I am predictable too, and this is the way I see it.
Big Time donors are allowed to have an inside perspective on the athletic program. They know personally how the program functions, how the coaches operate, and what the attitude of the players is toward each other and the coaches. That is why guys like him support our coaches and players. They realize the "program in disarray" is mostly a big myth perpetrated by the fans who want a championship right now and do not have the patience to wait for all the pieces to fall into place. Mr. Towers is probably as close to the program as anyone, so this to me is a ringing endorsement. IMO anyone here who would turn into a big donor would likely have a different attitude after seeing the program first hand also.
When I look at the players who will be back next year, I feel positive about our direction. I frankly just don't understand fans who went to the game just to look for the worst in our players.
I was hoping to win enough games to reach a bowl this year while enjoying the development of all the inexperienced but talented young players out there.
Because of stupid decisions by some players and our head coach, that now looks less realistic. I don't like it, but I believe everyone makes some stupid decisions somewhere along the line. I believe Coach Flood will learn from it. It appears that the players feel the same way I do, as they still speak of him being such a positive role model - not perfect but trying to do the best for each one of them.
Our young players are going to improve as the year goes on, so that we should be far more competitive when Thanksgiving rolls around. But I have no illusions that many of the "fans of change" will stop spewing their venom toward our head coach and anyone who supports him every day for the next year.
I also realize I am pissing into the wind here, and I don't mind if some "fans" get their "jollies" from attacking me for a few posts rather than our coaches and players - and big donors.
I am predictable too, and this is the way I see it.
Big Time donors are allowed to have an inside perspective on the athletic program. They know personally how the program functions, how the coaches operate, and what the attitude of the players is toward each other and the coaches. That is why guys like him support our coaches and players. They realize the "program in disarray" is mostly a big myth perpetrated by the fans who want a championship right now and do not have the patience to wait for all the pieces to fall into place. Mr. Towers is probably as close to the program as anyone, so this to me is a ringing endorsement. IMO anyone here who would turn into a big donor would likely have a different attitude after seeing the program first hand also.
When I look at the players who will be back next year, I feel positive about our direction. I frankly just don't understand fans who went to the game just to look for the worst in our players.
I was hoping to win enough games to reach a bowl this year while enjoying the development of all the inexperienced but talented young players out there.
Because of stupid decisions by some players and our head coach, that now looks less realistic. I don't like it, but I believe everyone makes some stupid decisions somewhere along the line. I believe Coach Flood will learn from it. It appears that the players feel the same way I do, as they still speak of him being such a positive role model - not perfect but trying to do the best for each one of them.
Our young players are going to improve as the year goes on, so that we should be far more competitive when Thanksgiving rolls around. But I have no illusions that many of the "fans of change" will stop spewing their venom toward our head coach and anyone who supports him every day for the next year.
I also realize I am pissing into the wind here, and I don't mind if some "fans" get their "jollies" from attacking me for a few posts rather than our coaches and players - and big donors.
Has this new article on Towers been posted yet? Ps - from NJCOM
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i..._best_f.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/i..._best_f.html#incart_2box_nj-homepage-featured
I like the chance to see an open practice now and then ...for the record Greg Schiano is now out of our $$$$ limits ...he will require 2.5-3 mil in salary ... plus another 2 mil earmarked for staff...a new residence... so add 1.5 to 1.75 mil...if that be true ( and it is)...might as well go in a different direction for coach and system...
Another one who is completely out of their mind! My word where do you folks come up with this complete garbage. Schiano will not cost that much here or anywhere in college!
Putting 12,000 more actual fans in those seats on a every game basis plus the increase in Donations ( to get Priority Points) plus Revenue from Concession stands most definitely helps. Bring in the right Coach and Staff and our revenue goes up exponentially . Too bad Barachi has blinders on and is not seeing the big picture.
In case you missed this the first time.....
Greg was making $2.3 million per year when he left Rutgers.
Greg was hired by the Bucs in January 2012 to a 5 year $15 million dollar guaranteed contract.
He was fired by TB in December 2013 with with 3 years ($9 million) still owed on his TB Contract. This means he will be paid $3 million per year until 2016.
The picture that I referenced shows the student section.
Are you now agreeing that since students allegedly don't go to the games because they can't host Blue Lot Burning Man, we should take those seats and open them up to the general public?
Schiano needs Rutgers more than Rutgers needs him. He is damaged goods and I don't think that it's a coincidence that his "people" are floating that he'd listen. "Fixing" Rutgers is his best bet to restore his image.
It's telling that nobody brought him in for an interview last year. And this was after the SI fluff piece on how he's grown and learned from his previous shortcomings.
We'll see how good his agent is because he has to convince the Towers out there that he has truly seen the light and can delegate aspects of the program to people that know what they're doing.
Doubtful that he'll need $3M. I'm thinking $1.5 plus $1M more for staff with heavy incentives to start. New Years Day bowls would allow Rutgers to easily pay for those incentives. But he'd first have to convince Barchi, Hermann, Towers, et al. Think that Brown is already in his corner so he's got that going for him.
It's telling that nobody brought him in for an interview last year. And this was after the SI fluff piece on how he's grown and learned from his previous shortcomings.
We'll see how good his agent is because he has to convince the Towers out there that he has truly seen the light and can delegate aspects of the program to people that know what they're doing.
Doubtful that he'll need $3M. I'm thinking $1.5 plus $1M more for staff with heavy incentives to start. New Years Day bowls would allow Rutgers to easily pay for those incentives. But he'd first have to convince Barchi, Hermann, Towers, et al. Think that Brown is already in his corner so he's got that going for him.
And highly doubt his ego will allow him to pick up where he left RU 2.3m...we're looking at least $3m per for more mediocrity...at 3 times the rate of KF...also, a big no on GS to RU is that JH would never work for GS...because that would be GSs requirements
Why would we need to hire him back at equal or greater than what we paid him previously? The leverage has changed dramatically since the last time Rutgers negotiated with him
Not counting the high school coaches, former players, current players, former coaches and boosters that all unequivocally supported him during the "investigation" process?
That picture of Towers watching Laviano from the Towers broke NCAA rules story is too much.
So Flood and Towers violated rules and received public rebuke...and we should care that Towers is supporting Flood.
If we had a strong AD, most of these minor league shenanigans would be cut out.
So Flood and Towers violated rules and received public rebuke...and we should care that Towers is supporting Flood.
If we had a strong AD, most of these minor league shenanigans would be cut out.
How does his contract work? If he takes a job paying $2M do the Bucs owe him nothing or $1M?
The fact that he was looking for a job last year, the reason for the SI puff piece, leads me to think that he realizes that it is better in the long run get back in the trenches, instead of waiting for his TB contract to expire.
I don't. But if he wants to be the head coach at a P5 program then he doesn't have any other options. That's what Rutgers can pay for the next few seasons. I'm sure that if he is able to swallow his pride and take $1.5 then that would go a long way to getting his foot in Hermann's door. If she doesn't then it would be hard for her to keep her job. Remember, she has to answer to Brown.
Look, if his ego allowed it, he'd be coaching right now at either a lower level program or as a coordinator. Polini wanted to coach so he did it. Eddie Jordan went from the NBA to coaching high school kids. Since Schiano will only be head coach at a major program, Rutgers is probably the only one who will listen.
If, and that is a big if, he is able to swallow his pride to make it back then he'd be on the fast lane to getting a major salary if he's just somewhat successful. It's how the game is played. First major bowl = huge extension and raise. First time another major program wants him, that's another raise. But by the time this happens, Rutgers will be betting that they will be much closer to getting a full share of B1G revenue.
Or... he was just setting things up for his return. As far as I'm aware, he didn't seek or do any interviews last year did he? With a relatively comfortable salary coming from the Bucs for another year or two, he could have been working the media just to keep his name active.
Schiano will get interviews at the expected openings at UVa, Illinois, UCF, USF other possibilities like Miami (off to a good start) and some others. Will most likely start in the 2-2.5 million range. He was a backup option at Michigan before Harbaugh signed.
First of all, Flood didn't earn this job, it was given to him because he was in the right place at the right time, and he was cheap. He had absolutely no resume to indicate that he should be a D1 headcoach or even a coordinator. Ironically, alot of people gave him a pass because he held Schiano's last class together and we were a loaded team in a weak conference, how could he screw that up.
Secondly, Cristobal was fired at FIU but that firing was controversial, because he actually had some success at a school that has never really had any. By the way, what is Cristobal doing now? Check his resume before using him in the context that you have. Addazio, actually had success at Temple, that should atleast get him an interview. More importantly, most of the coaches you mention took over programs that were on a downswing and the coaches were fired. Flood took over a program that was picked to win the conference.
The guy that replaced Wannstedt, is now the head coach of Wisconsin, Cutcliffe, (Duke), is a very bad example for you're argument. The guy he replaced was fired and Cutcliffe is an example of what happens when you identify and pay the right guy. He is winning at Duke, end of story. Temple, another example of identifying and hiring the right guy, their last two coaches left to become coaches at P5 schools and their current one appears to be on the same path.
None of your scenarios presents a situation where a school stuck with an unqualified coach, that struggles with recruiting, questionable game day coaching, difficulty maintaining control of the program, and has been suspended for policy violations. There is nothing in Flood's resume or body of work that would indicate that he should be a head coach or has the ability to turn this thing around. If there were maybe more people would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
The question is why would Schiano give up $3 Million next year (or a significant portion of that - say $1 to $1.5 Million) to come back and coach Rutgers when he can sit at home, do some TV analyst work, go watch his kids sports, volunteer coach at a HS and collect $3 million? Who really has the leverage here? If RU is desperate to replace Flood - then there leverage is greatly diminished. If you've ever been in any type of negotiation you would know that leverage lowers if one side is desperate and the other side knows it.
