B1G - expansion candidates

[JayDogSmooth]

All this OU and UT to the SEC has me thinking of B1G future expansion possibilities. I'll list, in no particular order, who I think would be possibilities should B1G decide to expand again:

1. UNC - Large state school, great academics (aside from scandal), great athletics, access to NC/SC tv market

2. UVA - Same as UNC, slightly better academics, not as good athletics, access to VA tv market (not sure if Maryland already has this covered)

3. Duke - Private school, great academics, great athletics, big on research. Recent FB stadium improvements have moved it past NW as worst stadium in conference

4. GT - Private school, very good academics (not sure where they are vs. Duke), decent athletics, Atlanta tv market, travel partner for...

5. FSU - Homer pick here but more I think about it the more sense it makes. Bad = cultural differences, long travel Good = solid academics, big state school, & athletics, tradition, FL recruiting pipeline, FL tv market (not sure how big in panhandle)

6. Notre Dame - obvious choice if they're willing to play ball / part with / split NBC tv deal

7. Kansas - assuming they go to 20 and ND falls through, need to improve fb stadium, great bball, not sure on academics / tv market but assume KC (split w/Mizzou)?

8. Houston - academics aren't up to snuff, but huge potential in giant, growing city. TX pipeline w/recruiting, but cultural and geographical outlier. FB on rise, solid BBall

Thoughts?

 

[HeavenUniv.]

If we can’t get Texas and Florida State, then need to get Central Florida and take a long look at Houston and TCU. Stop worrying about AAU.

 

[mikebal9]

To me, it's ND and UVa at the top of the list. UNC a distant 3rd. Not sure the others fit for various resources.

 

[Ridge 22]

Thoughts are you don't understand GOR 's very well. So scratch 1-6 unless you are talking about 2035. #7 is a dumpster fire and has the worst football program in the country. They make RU look like they have their act together. Basketball drives nothing in today's landscape. Ask the old Big East. #8 isnt overly appealing and not something I would jump at just to add a team. Either look to the pac 12 or do nothing

 

[RU_Goo]

I would also look at Colorado and Kansas. big markets, land locked to the rest of the BIG, schools fit the profile. If ACC schools and ND are off the table, this is the route id go

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Thoughts are you don't understand GOR 's very well. So scratch 1-6 unless you are talking about 2035. #7 is a dumpster fire and has the worst football program in the country. They make RU look like they have their act together. Basketball drives nothing in today's landscape. Ask the old Big East. #8 isnt overly appealing and not something I would jump at just to add a team. Either look to the pac 12 or do nothing

Understand GOR extremely well, good luck having that hold up if multiple schools decide to leave. Noles, Heels, Hoos and Jackets all leave, you think that's really holding up?

If it's 1 or 2, there's a chance it could get held up in court. Also, ND not bound by GOR for FB w/ACC.

$$$ talks - no contract written is ever lock tight (See Jags deal w/Jax, and obvious rumors of them moving even though contract is legit to keep them there)

If you think B1G stands pat after seeing their chief rival nab 2 premier programs then we'll agree to disagree. Likewise if you think B1G grabs a PAC school as opposed to the aforementioned programs

 

[Rufaninga]

From ESPN article today
"Several ACC athletic directors believed that their league would make a push in the next few years to add both Texas and Oklahoma -- along with Notre Dame, which already is a partial ACC member -- as it looks to restructure its TV contract, but the suddenness of the Longhorns' and Sooners' move to the SEC took them by surprise."

Hope B1G makes an offer, because is SEC falls through and ACC gets UT/OU/ND then B1G is 3rd best football conference.

 

[Mr Magoo]

From ESPN article today
"Several ACC athletic directors believed that their league would make a push in the next few years to add both Texas and Oklahoma -- along with Notre Dame, which already is a partial ACC member -- as it looks to restructure its TV contract, but the suddenness of the Longhorns' and Sooners' move to the SEC took them by surprise."

Hope B1G makes an offer, because is SEC falls through and ACC gets UT/OU/ND then B1G is 3rd best football conference.

Texas and Oklahoma going to the ACC is pretty funny…unless the ACC sells it’s soul to them and they can do as they please like ND…and that’s never a good idea….ask A&M, Nebraska, Missouri., etc. Texas is a cash cow and a cancer at the same time.

Would love to get UNC and UVA in the B1G but can’t see it happening because I think UNC is hung up on basketball and afraid to lose Duke and I can’t see UVA having the balls to move without UNC.

 

[RW90]

From ESPN article today
"Several ACC athletic directors believed that their league would make a push in the next few years to add both Texas and Oklahoma -- along with Notre Dame, which already is a partial ACC member -- as it looks to restructure its TV contract, but the suddenness of the Longhorns' and Sooners' move to the SEC took them by surprise."

Hope B1G makes an offer, because is SEC falls through and ACC gets UT/OU/ND then B1G is 3rd best football conference.

Aside from Clemson, how is the ACC any markedly better than the current Big12?

 

[anon_yoo6z3typpaw2]

To me, Kansas and Oklahoma State make the most sense if the B10 is picking up some remnants from the B12..

 

[NotInRHouse]

UVA with ND or UNC or no dice. The others have no academic and geographic match.

 

[cicero grimes]

Posted this in another thread but maybe its better suited to this thread.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the B1G expanding west, if they decide to expand. Assuming we have two spots here are some potential targets.
1. TAMU with either Kansas or Missouri as a partner. TAMU gets you into TX and if the rumors are true about UT and OU talking to the SEC for 6 months and that information was withheld from TAMU they might be motivated to jump ship. We get access to Texas eyeballs and Texas recruits. Nebraska would be ecstatic to get access back into Texas. Both Mizzou and Kansas can deliver the St. Louis market. Kansas is AAU so the academics work and they are a national brand for basketball. All three schools have loyal fan bases and would be supportive of a streaming model. SEC has no exit fee. Not sure about a GOR.
2. Arizona and Colorado. Two growing states, both land grant schools and are contiguous to the B1G footprint. Colorado is also AAU. Puts the B1G into three time zones and allows for a late night game on the B1G network. It would harm, but probably not fatally the B1G relationship with the PAC as these are not original PAC 8 schools.
3. USC and UCLA. A seismic move that would more than offset the TX and OU move to the SEC. Schools are excellent academically and have large and loyal fan bases. You have also just formed the first coast to coast conference and with the SoCal market the next TV deal would be huge. You would gut the PAC as you are taking the two core schools from the conference. Would the B1G really do that to its longtime partner? Probably not but USC and UCLA have the most monetary value of any of the other schools out west and you have now two super conferences with the ACC and the remade PAC trailing us and the SEC by a large margin.
Regardless of whatever UT and OU do, we need to start thinking about the future again. The model of the future is streaming and if we do decide to expand we need schools that provide access to growing states and fanbases that will pay for streaming services.

 

[HeavenUniv.]

What if the Big Ten were to revisit expansion? Ten teams that make sense.

With talks of Oklahoma and Texas exploring membership with the SEC, it got us thinking Big Ten expansion with a big IF. Here are ten teams that make sense.

www.google.com

 

[bigmatt718]

Kansas and Colorado for me if we can't poach the ACC of UVA and one of UNC/Duke.

 

[rutgersguy1]

Kansas and Colorado for me if we can't poach the ACC of UVA and one of UNC/Duke.

I mentioned this in the other thread but I don't really see a point in adding them except as a lure for Texas/OU if Texas and OU are really wanted by the leadership. Make them feel like they're leaving without really leaving. You'd have 5 of the old Big 8/12 together again with Texas/OU/Kansas/Colorado/Nebraska and that section of the conference would still be winnable. IMO on their own Kansas/Colorado aren't attractive candidates.

 

[cyrock3]

If the B1G is already talking to Kansas it means that this is probably already pretty advanced on our end and 16 has been identified.

At least that’s how it would be in the Delaney days. Not sure how it is with Warren.

 

[MGSA99]

Kansas has already reached out to the B1G. The game of musical chairs has started again. What will it look like when the music stops this time?

 

[JayDogSmooth]

What if the Big Ten were to revisit expansion? Ten teams that make sense.

With talks of Oklahoma and Texas exploring membership with the SEC, it got us thinking Big Ten expansion with a big IF. Here are ten teams that make sense.

www.google.com

Heaven nothing but love for you brother but that article is trash.

Any piece claiming Iowa State, Pitt, Cincy, UCF, and USF are legit candidates while leaving out Hoos, Jackets, Dukies and Noles is simply clickbait.

 

[Scarlet Blind]

I think it ends up being Kansas and (Oklahoma St or Missouri) for B1G and
Kentucky and South Carolina ends up in ACC

Oklahoma St(B1G or SEC), WVU, for UK and USC departure, and one other Big12 if Missouri leaves.

USC(West Coast Conf) and ND(Big East) goes full time independent football.

Pac 12 raid MWC or B12 Leftovers(ISU, KSU, TTU, TCU, Baylor)

 

[rutgersguy1]

Posted this in another thread but maybe its better suited to this thread.

The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of the B1G expanding west, if they decide to expand. Assuming we have two spots here are some potential targets.
1. TAMU with either Kansas or Missouri as a partner. TAMU gets you into TX and if the rumors are true about UT and OU talking to the SEC for 6 months and that information was withheld from TAMU they might be motivated to jump ship. We get access to Texas eyeballs and Texas recruits. Nebraska would be ecstatic to get access back into Texas. Both Mizzou and Kansas can deliver the St. Louis market. Kansas is AAU so the academics work and they are a national brand for basketball. All three schools have loyal fan bases and would be supportive of a streaming model. SEC has no exit fee. Not sure about a GOR.
2. Arizona and Colorado. Two growing states, both land grant schools and are contiguous to the B1G footprint. Colorado is also AAU. Puts the B1G into three time zones and allows for a late night game on the B1G network. It would harm, but probably not fatally the B1G relationship with the PAC as these are not original PAC 8 schools.
3. USC and UCLA. A seismic move that would more than offset the TX and OU move to the SEC. Schools are excellent academically and have large and loyal fan bases. You have also just formed the first coast to coast conference and with the SoCal market the next TV deal would be huge. You would gut the PAC as you are taking the two core schools from the conference. Would the B1G really do that to its longtime partner? Probably not but USC and UCLA have the most monetary value of any of the other schools out west and you have now two super conferences with the ACC and the remade PAC trailing us and the SEC by a large margin.
Regardless of whatever UT and OU do, we need to start thinking about the future again. The model of the future is streaming and if we do decide to expand we need schools that provide access to growing states and fanbases that will pay for streaming services.

I mentioned this in the other thread and if the decision was made to go west IMO you go big, not just 2 schools. Like 4-6 schools out of (UCLA, USC, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Colorado, Arizona)...become a nationwide conference, with access to both coasts and both big markets and good fan following and bringing big names to those markets. Become somewhat of a pseudo NFL setup...only talking about grand scheme 10000 foot level stuff...finer details to be worked out but to me it can't be a little step if you're heading west it has to be a big one like Larry Scott tried on the B12.

 

[Ridge 22]

Understand GOR extremely well, good luck having that hold up if multiple schools decide to leave. Noles, Heels, Hoos and Jackets all leave, you think that's really holding up?

If it's 1 or 2, there's a chance it could get held up in court. Also, ND not bound by GOR for FB w/ACC.

$$$ talks - no contract written is ever lock tight (See Jags deal w/Jax, and obvious rumors of them moving even though contract is legit to keep them there)

If you think B1G stands pat after seeing their chief rival nab 2 premier programs then we'll agree to disagree. Likewise if you think B1G grabs a PAC school as opposed to the aforementioned programs

Unless the ACC lost a large block of schools en mass (highly unlikely), the GOR isn't going anywhere. And no school is going to want to challenge that in court with 15 years of lost media rights in the table. Name the school that ever has (answer = no one). I will say it again - the ACC schools are not currently viable options

 

[RUTGERS95]

Texas and Oklahoma going to the ACC is pretty funny…unless the ACC sells it’s soul to them and they can do as they please like ND…and that’s never a good idea….ask A&M, Nebraska, Missouri., etc. Texas is a cash cow and a cancer at the same time.

Would love to get UNC and UVA in the B1G but can’t see it happening because I think UNC is hung up on basketball and afraid to lose Duke and I can’t see UVA having the balls to move without UNC.

only the bball people would not want it for unc. the rest, the majority, would jump for the BIG. UNC could still schedule that for an ooc game each yr

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Unless the ACC lost a large block of schools en mass (highly unlikely), the GOR isn't going anywhere. And no school is going to want to challenge that in court with 15 years of lost media rights in the table. Name the school that ever has (answer = no one). I will say it again - the ACC schools are not currently viable options

Agree if it's 1 or 2 could be problematic, if it's multiple you'll see it challenged.

When Maryland left, the new GOR wasn't signed yet and they paid 60 % exit fee (30 mil out of 50 mil). It got tied up for 2 years in court but in the end a deal was struck.

Me thinks it might be multiple as many schools are seeing the SEC / B1G lap them $$ wise, and since Swaffy left and JF came aboard, the emphasis on FB has been has finally been pinned to the forefront.

There's no way FSU & Clemson are going to sit idly by and watch as these other schools are killing it $$ wise and put them farther behind the 8 ball then they already are. They've invested too much time and $$ and their fanbases would not tolerate them to essentially fall into SMU death penalty status.

It's a different ballgame down there as FB is literally ingrained into their culture. Also not good business for the NCAA to have 2 of your top 20 brands take a complete nosedive and not be relevant any longer

 

[Ridge 22]

Agree if it's 1 or 2 could be problematic, if it's multiple you'll see it challenged.

Me thinks it might be multiple as many schools are seeing the SEC / B1G lap them $$ wise, and since Swaffy left and JF came aboard, the emphasis on FB has been has finally been pinned to the forefront.

There's no way FSU & Clemson are going to sit idly by and watch as these other schools are killing it $$ wise and put them farther behind the 8 ball then they already are. They've invested too much time and $$ and their fanbases would not tolerate them to essentially fall into SMU death penalty status

Assuming ACC teams are off the table, I would make run at A&M (disgruntled) and Missouri (always wanted the B1G and a great fit). Those two additions would be home runs and I don't believe the SEC has a GOR either. Another option either in addition or in place of that is to get 4 Pac 12 teams (UCLA, USC, Stanford and Washington). Anything beyond that feels too improbable to make happen due to GOR (ACC) or poor fits that don't add much (pretty much the rest of the Big 12 and any G5 school)

 

[nick614]

Only real candidates on there are UNC and UVA

 

[tom1944]

Could the BIG swoop in at the last minute and try to get Texas and Oklahoma

 

[kupuna133]

What if the Big Ten were to revisit expansion? Ten teams that make sense.

With talks of Oklahoma and Texas exploring membership with the SEC, it got us thinking Big Ten expansion with a big IF. Here are ten teams that make sense.

www.google.com

That could be the laziest list ever created. Awful!!! Iowa State, UCF, USF, PITT, Cincinatti? Really? Most overlap geographically and the others don't match academically.

 

[MozRU]

Unless you're bringing in a BIG state schools, you've lost your marbles.

For the Big Ten and they need to move:
Top choices: UNC, VIR

Next: Kansas....wait for it...West Virginia

The ACC are fools if they don't think hard about WVU. The. ACC is a one trick pony right now (Clemson). FSU can't find their footing. Until the U gets an on campus, intimidating stadium, they're not coming back.

 

[OTBOTOR]

The ACC are fools if they don't think hard about WVU. The. ACC is a one trick pony right now (Clemson). FSU can't find their footing. Until the U gets an on campus, intimidating stadium, they're not coming back.

I like it, just to see heads in Charlottesville explode lol

 

[MidwestKnights]

All this OU and UT to the SEC has me thinking of B1G future expansion possibilities. I'll list, in no particular order, who I think would be possibilities should B1G decide to expand again:

1. UNC - Large state school, great academics (aside from scandal), great athletics, access to NC/SC tv market

2. UVA - Same as UNC, slightly better academics, not as good athletics, access to VA tv market (not sure if Maryland already has this covered)

3. Duke - Private school, great academics, great athletics, big on research. Recent FB stadium improvements have moved it past NW as worst stadium in conference

4. GT - Private school, very good academics (not sure where they are vs. Duke), decent athletics, Atlanta tv market, travel partner for...

5. FSU - Homer pick here but more I think about it the more sense it makes. Bad = cultural differences, long travel Good = solid academics, big state school, & athletics, tradition, FL recruiting pipeline, FL tv market (not sure how big in panhandle)

6. Notre Dame - obvious choice if they're willing to play ball / part with / split NBC tv deal

7. Kansas - assuming they go to 20 and ND falls through, need to improve fb stadium, great bball, not sure on academics / tv market but assume KC (split w/Mizzou)?

8. Houston - academics aren't up to snuff, but huge potential in giant, growing city. TX pipeline w/recruiting, but cultural and geographical outlier. FB on rise, solid BBall

Thoughts?

Scenario #1: Kansas comes. Then Missouri.

Pros: geographically contiguous. Best fit traditional BIG profile. AAU member. KC markets. Can help create a more coherent western division in the BIG10. Cements BIG one dominance from Omaha to D.C. and from the mid-south to the Canadian Border.

Cons: How much value to they bring to media negotiations & GORs.

Scenario # 2 Virginia and Virginia Tech both bolt and come to the BIG10.

Pros: Geographically contiguous. Both AAU schools. Cements Mid-Atlantic dominance. BIG10 would own the entire D.C. to NYC media market. Could help rebalance the BIG East.

Cons: Probably the most complicated to pull off. Could get political fast. Flys in the face of old school Virginia culture and identification with the southeast and ACC.

Wildcard: Vanderbilt. Adjoins both VA and Missouri. If only one of those twl come in would be a good school to go to 16 with. Good partner for Northwestern.

All this OU and UT to the SEC has me thinking of B1G future expansion possibilities. I'll list, in no particular order, who I think would be possibilities should B1G decide to expand again:

1. UNC - Large state school, great academics (aside from scandal), great athletics, access to NC/SC tv market

2. UVA - Same as UNC, slightly better academics, not as good athletics, access to VA tv market (not sure if Maryland already has this covered)

3. Duke - Private school, great academics, great athletics, big on research. Recent FB stadium improvements have moved it past NW as worst stadium in conference

4. GT - Private school, very good academics (not sure where they are vs. Duke), decent athletics, Atlanta tv market, travel partner for...

5. FSU - Homer pick here but more I think about it the more sense it makes. Bad = cultural differences, long travel Good = solid academics, big state school, & athletics, tradition, FL recruiting pipeline, FL tv market (not sure how big in panhandle)

6. Notre Dame - obvious choice if they're willing to play ball / part with / split NBC tv deal

7. Kansas - assuming they go to 20 and ND falls through, need to improve fb stadium, great bball, not sure on academics / tv market but assume KC (split w/Mizzou)?

8. Houston - academics aren't up to snuff, but huge potential in giant, growing city. TX pipeline w/recruiting, but cultural and geographical outlier. FB on rise, solid BBall

Thoughts?

 

[bigmatt718]

I'm going with Kansas and Colorado if we can't steal any ACC schools.

 

[RUsundevil]

Missouri is a better cultural fit in the SEC. No reason for them to move since addi g Texas recruiting options is a plus for them.
Colorado & ASU or UCLA & Washington

 

[Jimpeg]

Unless you're bringing in a BIG state schools, you've lost your marbles.

For the Big Ten and they need to move:
Top choices: UNC, VIR

Next: Kansas....wait for it...West Virginia

The ACC are fools if they don't think hard about WVU. The. ACC is a one trick pony right now (Clemson). FSU can't find their footing. Until the U gets an on campus, intimidating stadium, they're not coming back.

..academically WVU does not fit ACC...

 

[MADHAT1]

Missouri is a better cultural fit in the SEC. No reason for them to move since addi g Texas recruiting options is a plus for them.
Colorado & ASU or UCLA & Washington

Would love to see ASU a member, but don't think they add enough to be invited.
UCLA would be a great addition and if could snag Stanford or USCw even better.
Missouri is a better culture fit in the SEC, but they did bolt the Big 12 ( some claim) because of Texas and might look at the B1G , (if revenue sharing looks comparable to what the SEC expects
when Tex & OK are members)

The B1G ,I feel, will go after PAC schools more than ACC and Washington along with Colorado might be contacted behind the scenes to gauge their interest.
Oregon might be a possibility as well.

I read that the B-12 Iis reaching out to the PAC about merging into a 20 team conference.
The Pac might listen because they;re ripe for poaching with their low revenue sharing
Big Ten School X
Baseline figure: $55 million in FY19 payouts (from USA Today review of Big Ten financial data).
Annual distributions:
FY20: $57.8 million
FY21: $60.7 million
FY22: $63.7 million
FY23: $66.9 million
FY24: $80.7 million (new Tier 1 deal)
Five-year total: $329.8 per school


SEC School Y
Baseline figure: $44.6 million in FY19 payouts (reported by the SEC).
Annual distributions:
FY20: $46.8 million
FY21: $49.1 million
FY22: $70.9 million (new ESPN deal)
FY23: $74.4 million
FY24: $78.1 million
Five-year total: $319.3 million per school


Pac-12 School Z
Baseline figure: $33 million in FY19 payouts (estimate from published data).
Annual distributions:
FY20: $34.6 million
FY21: $36.3 million
FY22: $38.1 million
FY23: $40.0 million
FY24: $42.0 million
Five-year total: $191 million per school


Five-year disparity between Pac-12 and Big Ten: $138.8 million per school.


Five-year disparity between Pac-12 and SEC: $128.3 million per school


I wouldn't be surprised if a 3rd party connected to the B1G reached out to some in the Missouri Athletic Department to see how they feel about the SEC adding OK & Tex trying to judge whatr thir reacxtion would be if the B1G offered them a home away from the one Texas is invading.

 

[Arizona Knight]

..academically WVU does not fit ACC...

Neither did Louisville.

 

[tom1944]

If the BIG and PAC go to 20 who gets left out?

 

[tom1944]

If the BIG goes to 16 I would try Stanford or Cal and UCLA or USC

Add the California media market

 

[Scarlet16E]

Georgia Tech is s public university.

 

[sunsetregret]

If the BIG goes to 16 I would try Stanford or Cal and UCLA or USC

Add the California media market

This is the forward-thinking move ... take California. In one move, you could collapse the Pac12 (they might wind up merging with the remaining Big12) and basically take over the entire northern part of the country from coast-to-coast.

 

[ScarletTony]

Same blueprint as the last expansion: AAU, state school, add a respectable TV market, and contiguous with current footprint (KU, UVA, Colorado). Doubtful an SEC team would leave so no Missouri.

There's more options if you string new schools together to reach out geographically

• UVA + UNC would be my #1 combo to get to 16. Add GT if going bigger.
• Going west could be Colorado + Arizona to get to 16. Utah, UCLA, Washington are all there too if going bigger.