Would it be easier politically for the privates to leave? Or would the 2 public schools leaving open the door for 2 other California public’s to join the PAC?
B1G - expansion candidates
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There's no magic about 16 you've already become a big fairly unwieldly conference at that point. If you head west adding two western outposts on an island doesn't help logistics any and I don't know how much additional real substantial value creation there is. If you go west you go in with both feet. Take 6 from the PAC12...good solid public/private names... I gave the list of 7 possibilities already. Then lay the ground work in a decade to finish off the rest of the east coast with 4 from the ACC. Plus when you add these swaths of schools as opposed a couple you give the feel of leaving without really leaving because they still get to keep some rivals, geography etc..somewhat intact....make the bold move easier to swallow for those making the leap. Considering the financial gap as it is, they're already predisposed to other options....make it even easier for them.
Then you've created a really strong sports entity that is national, with big names, big markets, strong public and private institutions and tons of inventory and packages to carve up for bid..... and you maybe get ND since they will have national exposure, long time rivals included and really you've wrecked any landing spot for them too. Like I said a pseudo NFL and a high premium sports product which would be even more enticing then what exists now. The SEC would probably do similar in response and also have a high premium sports product and that will be that.
Then you've created a really strong sports entity that is national, with big names, big markets, strong public and private institutions and tons of inventory and packages to carve up for bid..... and you maybe get ND since they will have national exposure, long time rivals included and really you've wrecked any landing spot for them too. Like I said a pseudo NFL and a high premium sports product which would be even more enticing then what exists now. The SEC would probably do similar in response and also have a high premium sports product and that will be that.
So we basically end up the blue and gray with 2 huge conferences
Agree. This guy is absolutely clueless. What’s worse is someone paid him to write it. Cincinnati, Houston, USF, Iowa State…no shot at the B1G.
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Ugh. Kansas would be a terrible choice. Rather do nothing.
Well a lot of people thought a split off was going to happen somewhere down the line and this could be a precipitating event towards that.
Are Texas and Oklahoma assumed not to be B1G candidates at all. I get they reached out to the SEC, but couldn't B1G reach out to them?
It appears that Texas and Oklahoma have been in talks with the SEC for some time. As any conference would gladly take both schools, they must have decided that the SEC was the preferred option before anyone even picked-up the phone to call conference offices. Sure, the SEC is the SEC. It has the best football by far and the most potential for increased revenue. But, the B1G (and the ACC, and the PAC12 for that matter) is more prestigious academically and should be able to come close to the SEC in terms of revenue, at least, for the foreseeable future. The academic angle alone would have helped justify their departure from the Big XII to legislators in each Texas and Oklahoma pissed about the abandonment of Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU and Oklahoma State. Plus, by going to the B1G, they would have avoided the guaranteed opposition to SEC membership by Texas A&M, which will do its best to scuttle this in Austin and organize the opposition of Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Kentucky. I'm sure that all of this was considered in advance. But, they still elected to pursue membership in the SEC. The SEC must have been deemed a better fit in terms of competitive advantage and long-term financial opportunity. Unless Texas and Oklahoma hoped to initiate a bidding war, it seems unlikely that the B1G has much of a chance to snag them.
Hearing merger talk starting to be speculated between the PAC and Big 12.
But feel that talk is one sided with the B-12 leadership desperate to keep the leftovers in a P-5 Conference and the PAC only willing to take a few of them because most don't add any money to the revenue sharing pot.
Also heard speculation that it would be a good move for the PAC and B1G to merge into one super conference .
But 26 teams seems a little far fetched for it to happen.
If B1G and PAC go after programs Baylor and TCU might be on both lists and each would grab one
The B1G just for the Texas market and recruiting grounds the PAC to bring in revenue
I see the PAC grabbing Baylor/TCU, Texas Tech or OK State
The B1G might go for TCU/Baylor and Kansas/Iowa St. (if they enter the expansion fray )
But feel that talk is one sided with the B-12 leadership desperate to keep the leftovers in a P-5 Conference and the PAC only willing to take a few of them because most don't add any money to the revenue sharing pot.
Also heard speculation that it would be a good move for the PAC and B1G to merge into one super conference .
But 26 teams seems a little far fetched for it to happen.
If B1G and PAC go after programs Baylor and TCU might be on both lists and each would grab one
The B1G just for the Texas market and recruiting grounds the PAC to bring in revenue
I see the PAC grabbing Baylor/TCU, Texas Tech or OK State
The B1G might go for TCU/Baylor and Kansas/Iowa St. (if they enter the expansion fray )
ACC schools would be tough to get for the Big Ten due to TV contractual issues.
These conversations have been going on for over 6 months. Too late and far along to reach out now. Warren was asleep at the wheel and is now forced to be reactive. No indication he is up to the challenge unfortunately though
None of these conferences will survive on academics. How's that for irony?
Delany was the best commissioner in the country. He was always a step ahead. We now have one of the worst.
Kansas has Lance Leipold as their coach. Lance is the one who came to Rutgers with his Buffalo team and soundly embarrassed ash with a beat down.
Yup! I am not a KW fan. We need a guy who can lead the league forward and so far KW ain’t it.
Might consider UVA with VT or UVA with GT.
GT is right in Atlanta, which isn't really too far from anywhere in the big ten. Prob easier to get to than many big ten schools from each other.
But UL does? WVU is an r1 school now, what holds us back is helping some in state kids... not a bad thing. And the unc acedemic scandal has me rolling my eyes as well.
Warren so far has been such an inept commissioner, I have doubts he will lead the Big Ten to its best possible outcome in the next round of expansion. Kansas and Iowa St just won't cut it when there's the SEC super conference. Big Ten needs to be just as aggressive and bold as the SEC. And that means poaching USC, UCLA, Stanford, California, Colorado and Oregon. We all know these high numbered super conferences are coming sooner or later and this de facto merger of the Big Ten and Pac 12, as crazy as it sounds, makes the most sense. The two leagues share a long and storied history, it's a natural fit. Also, all the schools mentioned are AAU members. And it makes me wonder, imagine a league with USC, Stanford, Michigan State, Purdue as conference opponents. Would that not entice Notre Dame to finally join the Big Ten?
I think my half-joking 20 team BIG will happen now. My questions include, will the LA schools, and the Bay Area schools, force the BIG to take both teams? Or can we get USC and Stanford without UCLA and Cal. For the purposes of this I will say both can be split.
Now if it is 6 teams, these I think will be the best. I have ND, Clemson, and UNC off the table. All would fit, and I would take. Kansas and Mizzou share the 40th media market. ISU is nice, but the market does not help.
I will start in the West. Colorado, USC, Stanford, and Washington would be my picks. Oregon would be nice, but what demands would Nike put on the BIG? So I left them off. Also Oregon does not have a big city market, although with Nike they are a national brand somewhat. Colorado would be a nice bridge. Then I'm looking at big West coast markets.
Now the East and South teams. My choices if they would come are FSU and GT. Start talking about others like UVA and if they come, you must take VT. FSU and GT avoid this.
The markets are sound and growing. These schools would help expand our recruiting grounds nicely, IMO.
Now if it is 6 teams, these I think will be the best. I have ND, Clemson, and UNC off the table. All would fit, and I would take. Kansas and Mizzou share the 40th media market. ISU is nice, but the market does not help.
I will start in the West. Colorado, USC, Stanford, and Washington would be my picks. Oregon would be nice, but what demands would Nike put on the BIG? So I left them off. Also Oregon does not have a big city market, although with Nike they are a national brand somewhat. Colorado would be a nice bridge. Then I'm looking at big West coast markets.
Now the East and South teams. My choices if they would come are FSU and GT. Start talking about others like UVA and if they come, you must take VT. FSU and GT avoid this.
The markets are sound and growing. These schools would help expand our recruiting grounds nicely, IMO.
Latest rumor OSU and UM in talks with SEC. B1G backup plan to raid the MAC and grab Ohio and Central Michigan, figuring people outside of Ohio and Michigan will not even take notice for at least a few years.
The more I think about it if the BIG expands the 4 California schools make the most sense.
All are great schools
Entry into several large media markets
Population
Weather
Non revenue sports make 1 trip west
The added revenue for the California schools covers the 2 or 3 trips east they would have to make
All are great schools
Entry into several large media markets
Population
Weather
Non revenue sports make 1 trip west
The added revenue for the California schools covers the 2 or 3 trips east they would have to make
Is there any reason that a deal could t be struck now that goes into effect in 2035? UVA and ND would be the two ideal scrolls. ND starts sooner in FB. All sports in 2035. Once the deal is announced I think there is some chance that the inertia will result in some shifting that ends the GOR early.
If expansion happens, I wonder if the structure of the conference would move to 4 sub-divisions? If so - would that be a factor? Wouldn’t be a clear 4th team to fit with RU, PSU and Maryland.
I suppose anything is possible. But hard to think of anything like that which has ever happened before. Lame duck status for a couple of years like Texas and Oklahoma will endure is one thing. But 15 years? That would likely lead to one long,ugly, expensive legal battle
Doubt you'd get any school to leave the SEC, and the North Carolina schools would be reluctant to break up their ACC rivalries. It'll be interesting to see what happens if Texas and Oklahoma do get into the SEC. Not everybody is going to be top dog in these super conferences, and Oklahoma alums might not be as enthusiastic about the move if Alabama hands them their heads for a few seasons.
Good I hope it's true and add 2 more PAC12 to boot lol. Hold pat at 20 for a decade or so and then take a look at the other side of the country. 👍
I’d say we get a marquee school or stand pat for a while. I like Colorado, ND, UVA, Arizona or even ASU. Not in the conversation, but would be fun for us from a rivalry perspective, Syracuse, Pitt, BC.
Pass on TAMU, Iowa State, Houston, any directional school. Kansas is a meh. I’d still rather wait and see what shakes loose.
Pass on TAMU, Iowa State, Houston, any directional school. Kansas is a meh. I’d still rather wait and see what shakes loose.
If there is any validity to the OSU and Michigan rumor, the BIG has to be bold in this way. The only 2 brands that would make up for this are Clemson and ND. PAC 12 schools are on a bit of a downturn.
Now at the point the poach becomes official the BIG needs to offer UF, TA@M. This would coincide with going hard after Clemson, FSU, and Miami. If we can't get the Gators, I think we could, then substitute UCF. My plan is to have the Big 3 in Florida in the BIG. At that point try for Clemson. If Florida will not come, go after GA or LSU.
I think at this point ND would jump. Now this would bolster our chances when you add USC in the West group. In short, many of the rivals ND cares about. I also think Clemson would be swayed. Now if the SEC big move is to raid to get to 20, maybe we go 24 teams and national.
Let's say, 1. Clemson, 2.FSU, 3. Miami,4. Texas A@M, 5. UF ( or if not try for, GA or LSU. If all else fails UCF), 6. USC, 7. Stanford, 8. Colorado, 9. UCLA, 10. Oregon, 11. Washington, 12. Notre Dame.
Subtract 2 huge programs, add 12 more. I think this just might do it. No disrespect to KU, ISU, or any MAC school. If we lose Michigan, and especially OSU, like some rumors suggest, we have to at least try to go huge. My plan, would stop the SEC from owning everything.
Now at the point the poach becomes official the BIG needs to offer UF, TA@M. This would coincide with going hard after Clemson, FSU, and Miami. If we can't get the Gators, I think we could, then substitute UCF. My plan is to have the Big 3 in Florida in the BIG. At that point try for Clemson. If Florida will not come, go after GA or LSU.
I think at this point ND would jump. Now this would bolster our chances when you add USC in the West group. In short, many of the rivals ND cares about. I also think Clemson would be swayed. Now if the SEC big move is to raid to get to 20, maybe we go 24 teams and national.
Let's say, 1. Clemson, 2.FSU, 3. Miami,4. Texas A@M, 5. UF ( or if not try for, GA or LSU. If all else fails UCF), 6. USC, 7. Stanford, 8. Colorado, 9. UCLA, 10. Oregon, 11. Washington, 12. Notre Dame.
Subtract 2 huge programs, add 12 more. I think this just might do it. No disrespect to KU, ISU, or any MAC school. If we lose Michigan, and especially OSU, like some rumors suggest, we have to at least try to go huge. My plan, would stop the SEC from owning everything.
If the B1G expands to the West they will look at Oregon and Washington in addition to any California schools they pick up.
If you successfully poach the PAC12 your first two grabs are UCLA and USC. Arguments can be made for numbers 3 and 4.
