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I hope you’re right, but will be a big ask to go up 5 ppg while losing Harper and Geo
It’s not going up. your probably just looking at the ESPN stats which shows our actual team blended ppg at 67.9. If you add up each individual’s average it comes out to over 74 which is more than what he projected (72). Not everyone plays the same number of games - lots of DNPs in there.

Last year’s starters averaged 56.4 ppg. His breakout forecasted a drop off to 52. Last year’s bench was brutal - it’s not unrealistic to expect an improvement. Couldn’t be much worse.
 
Don't do it Nick. Don't go down this rabbit hole again. Don't take the bait.

I'm amazed at the people who think Clif will easily score way more than RHJ - who was the top 3pt shooter in the BIG last year.
That's a lot of alley oops.
Cliff averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds last year. His ceiling is probably closer to 15-16 points with RU’s pace of play.
 
It’s not going up. your probably just looking at the ESPN stats which shows our actual team blended ppg at 67.9. If you add up each individual’s average it comes out to over 74 which is more than what he projected (72). Not everyone plays the same number of games - lots of DNPs in there.

Last year’s starters averaged 56.4 ppg. His breakout forecasted a drop off to 52. Last year’s bench was brutal - it’s not unrealistic to expect an improvement. Couldn’t be much worse.
Of course I took total PPG. On Scarlet Knights.com we aren’t close to 74 either. Isn’t it not accurate to take straight ppg? Frankly, you are assuming if everyone played every game they’d have the same average, which from a minutes allocation isn’t the case.

If somebody played 1 game and tore their ACL, but scored 8 points. I’m not extrapolating 8ppg over a whole season as if we got that every game,
 
Is next years back court better than geo's freshman year? The back court geo competed with was Corey Sanders Nigel Johnson and Mike Williams. Simpson will compete with mulcahy spencer and jalen miller.

Nothing but love for the Dadika family but Jake got minutes almost nightly in that back court as an elevated walk on. It’s not even close.

I think your concern about not having a guy who can create for himself is very fair. The offense will likely look different which could be a good thing for people who have been critical of having too much iso.
 
I think a Simpson comes off the bench and Caleb and Paul bring up the ball together. I’ll have similar concerns to yours if we don’t get Caleb back, but why are you assuming at this point that we won’t?
At this point the only way Caleb doesn't come back is if he gets feedback that some NBA team will draft him. How likely is that?
 
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At this point the only way Caleb doesn't come back is if he gets feedback that some NBA team will draft him. How likely is that?
This^^^....boy this would be great. I'm HOPING that Caleb feels that his game really progressed this year under Pike...and it was really his first fully healthy year here at Rutgers. I think he, himself, has said this last year was easily his healthiest year here. If so, Caleb, hopefully you feel it is a win-win to come back here for an encore. We would be thrilled to have you! C'mon back...we love ya'! Go Caleb! Go RU!
 
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Spencer sounds like he will fit the mold of the B10 sharpshooters that Wisconsin, Purdue & Iowa always reload with. The ones that hit the dagger coming around the picket fence, putting games on ice. Or Game winners, like the Bill Murray heartbreaker a few tourneys back...
 
I think a Simpson comes off the bench and Caleb and Paul bring up the ball together. I’ll have similar concerns to yours if we don’t get Caleb back, but why are you assuming at this point that we won’t?
I love caleb don't get me wrong. While he's had some offensive outbursts we have 4 years worth of tape and data that says he's not too efficient on the offensive end (88 and 92 offensive efficiency ratings past 2 years) and he's not the type to create his own shot or break down the defense off the dribble. Caleb is the perfect 7th man type who plays 15 mins a night. We need offensive play makers next year desperately.
 
We are all praying (or should be praying) that Caleb returns. If so we are in OK shape barring injuries. No one is saying we’ll be amazing but there’s room for optimism.

Mulcahy - 11pppg
Spencer - 11ppg
Caleb - 10ppg
Hyatt - 7ppg
Cliff - 14ppg

Mag - 6ppg
Reiber - 5ppg
Simpson - 4ppg
Miller - 2ppg
Palmquist - 2ppg
Woofolk - RS

TOTAL - 72ppg (last year we averaged 67.9ppg)

Is that so unreasonable?
So you think that after losing Geo and Ron that we'll be better on offense with the proposed roster. I simply disagree.
 
So you think that after losing Geo and Ron that we'll be better on offense with the proposed roster. I simply disagree.
Have to agree with Kyk here. Not sure why they aren’t going after another athletic guard. We should’ve kept going after hammond. I think spencer is good, but him and mulcahy on the defensive end at the same time will get exposed against real athleticism
 
Wheres the offense coming from here? Who's capable of creating their own shot? People are going to get mad I'm asking these questions because that's the popular thing to do here but they're genuine questions

Valid questions.. we need a point guard who can create like a Jacob young type and a replacement for Harper in my opinion.
 
youre assuming palmqvist doesn’t improve.

if anything pike gets his kids to improve. I’m expecting palmqvist to improve a lot
you realize palmquist is gonna be like 23 years old right? It's not like he's some young raw pup oozing athleticism. The kid could barely stay on his feet last year. What game was it where on one single defensive possession he fell 3 or maybe was it 4 times?
 
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Have to agree with Kyk here. Not sure why they aren’t going after another athletic guard. We should’ve kept going after hammond. I think spencer is good, but him and mulcahy on the defensive end at the same time will get exposed against real athleticism
Hammond is marginally more athletic than Spencer and is possibly worse on defense than Cam.
 
you realize palmquist is gonna be like 23 years old right? It's not like he's some young raw pup oozing athleticism. The kid could barely stay on his feet last year. What game was it where on one single defensive possession he fell 3 or maybe was it 4 times

so you don’t think he improves?
 
so you don’t think he improves?
improves enough to warrant playing him any significant time at all? No. If he plays anything more than 10 minutes a night on average were in for a very bad season. With that said, I'm confident he doesn't play close to 10 minutes enough and has more DNP nights than 10 min nights. He's horrific
 
improves enough to warrant playing him any significant time at all? No. If he plays anything more than 10 minutes a night on average were in for a very bad season. With that said, I'm confident he doesn't play close to 10 minutes enough and has more DNP nights than 10 min nights. He's horrific

where are you getting 10 minutes a game? You said if palmwvost plays any more minutes than it’s not good.

again, that line assumes you think he doesn’t improve. He will likely improve enough to get more playing time next season
 
where are you getting 10 minutes a game? You said if palmwvost plays any more minutes than it’s not good.

again, that line assumes you think he doesn’t improve. He will likely improve enough to get more playing time next season
You're the one proposing he plays more and scores more. He averaged 9.8 points per 40 minutes played last year. So for him to score 2.5PPG he'd have to play 10 minutes a night. If he plays 10 minutes a night we are in really bad shape. This isn't controversial to say. Stop. Quit while you're ahead
 
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You're the one proposing he plays more and scores more. He averaged 9.8 points per 40 minutes played last year. So for him to score 2.5PPG he'd have to play 10 minutes a night. If he plays 10 minutes a night we are in really bad shape. This isn't controversial to say. Stop. Quit while you're ahead

it’s controversial to say when the season is 6 months away. Again, he will imorove. How much he will…debatable.
 
So I have this one user on ignore (obvious who it is). But I see peoples responses. I don’t know what they’re responding to exactly just that it’s for this blocked user.
If you read just the responses I see to this blocked user, you also would ignore this user.
HE IS TROLLING YOU ALL!
 
Palm should be playing and shooting 3's. He shot 44% last year.....of course it was only 5 for 11 but who knows if it stays between 38% and 40% with more attempts.

That's how you get more minutes and you mask any defensive issues playing zone.
 
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You're the one proposing he plays more and scores more. He averaged 9.8 points per 40 minutes played last year. So for him to score 2.5PPG he'd have to play 10 minutes a night. If he plays 10 minutes a night we are in really bad shape. This isn't controversial to say. Stop. Quit while you're ahead
Again, the calculations you’re using above are off this years stats…as if he’s not gonna improve even an iota.
 
I love caleb don't get me wrong. While he's had some offensive outbursts we have 4 years worth of tape and data that says he's not too efficient on the offensive end (88 and 92 offensive efficiency ratings past 2 years) and he's not the type to create his own shot or break down the defense off the dribble. Caleb is the perfect 7th man type who plays 15 mins a night. We need offensive play makers next year desperately.
15 minutes a night?!? That’s a top 3 perimeter defender in the country lol. Obviously his lack of offensive output is more glaring on a team like ours that often struggles to score, but 7th man is outright disrespectful. Leaky Black is a poor mans Caleb and just played 30+ mins a night on the National title runner-up
 
I love caleb don't get me wrong. While he's had some offensive outbursts we have 4 years worth of tape and data that says he's not too efficient on the offensive end (88 and 92 offensive efficiency ratings past 2 years) and he's not the type to create his own shot or break down the defense off the dribble. Caleb is the perfect 7th man type who plays 15 mins a night. We need offensive play makers next year desperately.

Agree Caleb has limitations offensively but saying the BIG10 defensive player of the year should be a 7th man who plays 15 mins a night is another outrageous and extreme take. This is why nobody besides a handful of posters who are on your jock take your basketball posts seriously.

Maybe on a national championship team?

Haha.
 
Palm is a catch and shoot 3 point specialist. That's about it. I'm not sure what else we should expect at this point. I'm shocked he's stuck around this long.
 
While I don't expect much from Oskar, I will say his level of effort impressed me last year. The desire was there. He tried to draw some charges and was willing to try to bang. The execution just wasn't there. If he bulked up a tad, maybe he can play some backup 4 minutes.

If we play some zone D, Oskar and Spencer could really space the floor for Paul and Cliff PnR... just a thought. Again, I don't expect Oskar to play much, but we don't have too many options at the 4 so he might play a reserve role and if Hyatt or Mag gets hurt there are even less options at the 4 unless we bring in someone else
 
Agree Caleb has limitations offensively but saying the BIG10 defensive player of the year should be a 7th man who plays 15 mins a night is another outrageous and extreme take. This is why nobody besides a handful of posters who are on your jock take your basketball posts seriously.

Maybe on a national championship team?

Haha.
That's what kyk does. There is a hint a truth to what he says most times, but then takes it to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Most recently with bigs aren't as important as they used to be and its a guards league. Most everyone would agree. Then he says a good big doesn't mean much. Goes to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Now wait for the goal posts to move. That's the next step
 
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That's what kyk does. There is a hint a truth to what he says most times, but then takes it to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Most recently with bigs aren't as important as they used to be and its a guards league. Most everyone would agree. Then he says a good big doesn't mean much. Goes to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Now wait for the goal posts to move. That's the next step

Yep - he would be a solid poster if he wasn’t so extreme, didn’t always post in absolutes and didn’t move goal posts.
 
Agree Caleb has limitations offensively but saying the BIG10 defensive player of the year should be a 7th man who plays 15 mins a night is another outrageous and extreme take. This is why nobody besides a handful of posters who are on your jock take your basketball posts seriously.

Maybe on a national championship team?

Haha.
Fair. 15 minutes is probably too little in hindsight.

It is fine for him to play 30 mins but the issue is with next years roster not only is he gonna be relied on to play 30+ minutes a night and play balls to the wall defense but he's going to be relied on to be a big contributor on the offensive end of the floor. We know what he can do on defense but relying on him for top tier production on offense seems like a bad idea I believe. Seems like if you're relying on him to be a big contributor on offense that your team would have some issues on that end.
 
That's what kyk does. There is a hint a truth to what he says most times, but then takes it to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Most recently with bigs aren't as important as they used to be and its a guards league. Most everyone would agree. Then he says a good big doesn't mean much. Goes to the extreme which makes it a bad take

Now wait for the goal posts to move. That's the next step
I aint backing up from the assertion that having a good big isn't imperative to success these days. Whereas having good guards is imperative. You can win alot of games with great guards and a below average 5. You can't win alot of games with having below average guards and a great 5.
 
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