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COVID-19 Pandemic: Transmissions, Deaths, Treatments, Vaccines, Interventions and More...
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Apparently it's started spreading unexpectedly in Japan:
BBC >> Coronavirus: Japan to declare emergency as Tokyo cases soar
BBC >> Coronavirus: Japan to declare emergency as Tokyo cases soar
Wow, oxygen deprivation . Do not understand the mechanics , but he says the ventilators can be reprogrammed to provide more oxygen as compared to how they are programmed now? Can any of the doctors explain what he means and what are ventilators programmed at presently ?
Boris Johnson moved to ICU.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/uk-...are-after-coronavirus-condition-worsened.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/06/uk-...are-after-coronavirus-condition-worsened.html
There's a NY Post article about his MD (Maimonides) now
NYC doctor says high ventilator settings damage coronavirus patients’ lungs
https://nypost.com/2020/04/06/nyc-doctor-says-coronavirus-ventilator-settings-are-too-high/
Every country is going to have to guard against this, whether they had a major epidemic and controlled it, like China and South Korea (which had a big flareup a few days ago, but is apparently under control now) or if they never really had a major epidemic, like Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore; SG just went under lockdown too, with a major rise in cases. My friend who is there now said they had the same panic buying we did in the 2 days between the announcement and the shutdown. Even after we (hopefully) get past this first wave, we simply cannot go back to the old "normal" or at least not until we have a cure/vaccine.
Rut roh.
I will need to watch the video when I can. The big problem with the sickest, is the continual decline of lung function. As the lungs get worse, the ventilators need to be adjusted in the concentration of oxygen, pressures delivered to keep lung sacs open, etc. Without adjusting the settings, the patients will become hypoxic (low blood oxygen). You can only adjust so far before you max out on the percentage of oxygen delivered, then pressures, etc. So ventilators are an absolute must for those who need it, along with adjustments, to maintain adequate blood oxygen levels. But there are limits. That's about as simple as I can make it.
I was looking at the same one that Upstream posted, using HCQ/Zn as a prophylactic apparently for people already on the combination, not a treatment (first one on the list - says it's "recruiting"). Maybe check the WHO or EMA sites as they're sponsoring a ton of studies too.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04326725?term=hydroxychloroquine+zinc&draw=2&rank=1
Very disappointed that none of the ongoing studies listed using HCQ included Zn. Seems like designers didn't understand the science behind the potential treatment.
I dearly hope they don't find that scotch is the cure for this, 'cause I ain't sharin'!!!
What's also a concern is that there have been indications where people who survived nevertheless lost lung capacity. I hope this is something they are tracking as people are released from the hospital.
When time permits watch this 6 minute video. Very interested in hearing your input as well as all doctors on the front line.
RU's Cancer Institute of NJ just announced they're starting a clincal study of HCQ and HCQ + azithromycin vs. standard supportive care with HCQ after 6 days (sounds like that's becoming the "standard of care"). Good to hear, as we really need unbiased clinical results.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/clinical-trial-for-a-coronavirus-treatment-is-being-fast-tracked-by-rutgers.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rutgerstoday&utm_content=Research & Innovation
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/04/clinical-trial-for-a-coronavirus-treatment-is-being-fast-tracked-by-rutgers.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rutgerstoday&utm_content=Research & Innovation
Just out on Reuters:African-Americans in Michigan and in Illinois are dying from the virus at two and three times their percentages in those states.No other states have broken down their demographics.
Not really surprising, I'm afraid.
Per WebMD -
1. Diabetes is 60% more common in black Americans than in white Americans.
2. African-Americans are three times more likely to die of asthma.
3. Deaths from lung scarring --sarcoidosis -- are 16 times more common among blacks than among whites.
4. Black men are 50% more likely than white men to get lung cancer.
5. Strokes kill 4 times more 35- to 54-year-old black Americans than white Americans.
6. Blacks develop high blood pressure earlier in life -- and with much higher blood pressure levels -- than whites.
Posted about that a few days ago. In New Orleans the death rate is double NY's
African Americans Can Be Hit Harder By CV
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/african-americans-can-be-hit-harder-by-cv.193498/
Anecdotally, it's looking like HCQ for mild to moderate, remdesivir for moderate to severe and then remdesivir (or another anti-viral) plus IL-6 antagonist for severe. The problem is the severe cases, because it goes beyond just the virus as it involves other complications, especially those with comorbidities.
As for the April 3 trial, it was a Chinese sponsored trial, so gotta wait for them to publish their results. Gilead's trial though is right on it's heels and based on the ramping of production, it appears Gilead is fully expecting an approval any time now. Fingers crossed.
I've heard the Detroit area is being hit hard. Does that have a higher percentage of AA population than the state overall, and therefore could that be part of the reason too?
Yep, the sooner we get approval to follow that roadmap the better. Will save thousands of lives.
Ventilators aren’t a panacea for a pandemic like coronavirus
We do not know how many lives ventilators could or will save
https://spectator.us/ventilators-arent-panacea-pandemic-coronavirus/
We do not know how many lives ventilators could or will save
https://spectator.us/ventilators-arent-panacea-pandemic-coronavirus/
Cytokine release syndrome progresses in some to cytokine storm, resulting in alveolar damage (lung sacs where oxygen is swapped out for carbon dioxide). Once the alveoli are destroyed, they are gone forever. Much akin to the destruction of emphysema.
Hmmm..that was a bit odd to me. The goal for respiratory support is to maintain adequate, blood oxygen levels with the least support as possible. Putting somebody on a vent with maximum support and not reducing to meet the minimal, supplemental needs seems strange...and that is what this doctor is implying is happening. With Covid, and what I am seeing, when those in need are vented, it basically goes one or two ways (with variations of course). One, minimal ventilatory support and the patient stays the same or gets better. Two, the person continually degrades and relies on more ventilatory support (i.e. higher oxygen levels and higher pressures). So the higher pressure this doctor talks about (I think) is a manifestation of a rapidly declining patient who needs higher pressures to maintain adequate oxygen levels. It is a last ditch effort to go higher with those pressures. Without the higher pressures, at the latest stages, the patient will not get adequate oxygenation and has a reduced chance at a successful outcome.
I got my eyes on the IL-6 receptor binding agents.
Much more at risk for many of these diseases and much more at risk for moderate to severe effects of Covid-19 due to the higher incidence of these diseases.
Grocery workers dying..
Grocery workers are beginning to die of coronavirus
“One of the biggest mistakes supermarkets made early on was not allowing employees to wear masks and gloves the way they wanted to,” he said. “They’re starting to become proactive now, but it’s still going to be much tougher to hire hundreds of thousands of new workers. We’re going to start seeing people say, ‘I’ll just stay unemployed instead of risking my life for a temporary job.’ "
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grocery-workers-are-beginning-to-die-of-coronavirus/ar-BB12eFSF
Grocery workers are beginning to die of coronavirus
“One of the biggest mistakes supermarkets made early on was not allowing employees to wear masks and gloves the way they wanted to,” he said. “They’re starting to become proactive now, but it’s still going to be much tougher to hire hundreds of thousands of new workers. We’re going to start seeing people say, ‘I’ll just stay unemployed instead of risking my life for a temporary job.’ "
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/grocery-workers-are-beginning-to-die-of-coronavirus/ar-BB12eFSF
DUDE!!! Stop coming on here trying to sensationalize this... This ISNT an AIRBORNE virus... YES people are dying... from all walks of life...(And before you even attempt to rebut.. I work in paint & hardware at a store that still allows walk-ins... I have worked 10hr+ shifts, with and without protective gear...) Its tough enough for me to get up and go to work knowing im dealing with primarily healthy people who just want a lil normalcy in their lives and wondering if the "wrong" person decides to come in that day.... (while the true frontline healthcare workers go in knowing that they're dealing with people infected with Covid-19) But there are co-workers, just like me who get up and go in to work each day... So I know I cannot let those people down!! This isn't about making money... Its about doing what's right!! So while it would be much safer to sit at home while all this goes on... Deep down, I know I couldn't live with myself if I did that...
Where do you get your info that this isn't airborne? Forget the thousands of scientists who study this stuff and say that it's airborne, right?
Right from the front lines buddy... If this was "airborne" I'm almost positive that I, along with untold thousands of others would be infected by now... And I don't see no "thousands" of scientists claiming that this is an "airborne" virus...
How does NJ have so many more cases than enormously populated CA?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Untold thousands are infected. 367,000+ in the US alone (and counting).
We went over this before...maybe you were one of the lucky asymptomatic ones (if so, hopefully you didn't spread it to others). Maybe the next customer will infect you. Studies have shown it is airborne through large droplets at least, and perhaps aerosols as well...though perhaps the main route of transmission is hands to mouth/nose.
Maybe you are infected (lots of people are). Results are ironclad either.
Coronavirus could travel 27 feet, stay in air for hours: MIT researcher
https://nypost.com/2020/03/31/coronavirus-could-travel-27-feet-stay-in-air-for-hours-mit-researcher/
Aerosol and Surface Stability of SARS-CoV-2 as Compared with SARS-CoV-1
Our results indicate that aerosol and fomite transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is plausible, since the virus can remain viable and infectious in aerosols for hours and on surfaces up to days (depending on the inoculum shed). These findings echo those with SARS-CoV-1, in which these forms of transmission were associated with nosocomial spread and super-spreading events,5 and they provide information for pandemic mitigation efforts.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973
Because NJ has the highest population density in the country!
That can only explain part of it.
LA, SF, Oakland are very dense.
Philly is very dense.
Many other cities are
And again... If this was truly airborne... The numbers would be bare minimum 10X-20X greater... Probably way higher than that... I highly doubt im asymptomatic... (was knocked down once in December and again in mid-January with some flulike symptoms.. But nthing even close to the mild Covid19 symptoms...
So, we're supposed to believe you, but not the MIT, Princeton, NIAID, CDC, Princeton University, and UCLA researchers and experts? I'll take the word of the scientists over the word of a guy who's either gotten lucky, or is an asymptomatic spreader.
Wear a mask so you don't get "proof"
In your line of work you should be able to secure an N95 or two
We've talked about needing a "mask culture" for weeks and thankfully, we're heading in that direction, largely to prevent asymptomatic/presymptomatic/mildly symptomatic people from infecting others. Surgical masks/bandanas and such can certainly help to keep virus-laden droplets from sneezes/coughs spewing out, but they're not particularly protective from someone else who is coughing/sneezing close by, i.e., within 6 feet, which is why people at high risk of being infected due to high contact rates with potentially infected people, like health care workers, typically wear the N95 respirators which filter out the vast majority of virus-laden droplets. There should be no reason why people in other high customer-facing occupations, like EMS, police, fire, and, yes, clerks, shouldn't also have N95 respirators.
Now with regard to the aerosolization of virus particles and super sneezes, while it's impossible to say that the virus can't spread via breath or 27 feet with a super sneeze, it makes little logical sense that either of those happens in other than extreme circumstances, since we would have far more than 0.02% of the planet with confirmed infections if it were that easily transmissible, even with social distancing - and even if one assumes the positive cases are only indicative of 10% of all infections, that would still only be 0.2% of the population. Unless the few folks who say that 20% of the population have already been infected, but without symptoms in 99% of them, are correct, which I doubt.
As I said before, this is exactly the kind of research that chemical engineers (like me, lol) do and it's certainly cool/interesting stuff, but I think it's worst case kind of thinking. Yeah, maybe there are rare sneezes that can go well beyond a 3-pointer, but most people don't sneeze "outward" and I doubt more than a few sneezes are that powerful and to suggest that the virus becomes truly airborne (virus droplets small/light enough to remain aerosolized for hours and infecting people who walk through the wake of a sneeze 2 hours later or 100 feet away via HVAC) strains credulity.
In addition, we still don't know the dose-infection response curve for this virus, meaning we don't know if people 5' or 20' away from a sneeze would become infected from those virus-laden droplets, much like we don't know if touching a few day-old dried up virus particles on a surface can cause actual infection. It's also been well documented that about 80% of infections in China and elsewhere come from close contact in the home and if the virus was truly airborne and infectious at great distances from sneezes/coughs, we'd very likely see far greater transmission rates than we're seeing. Doesn't mean people shouldn't try to control their sneezes/coughs (mask anyone?), though or that health care workers shouldn't wear the appropriate PPE around symptomatic patients, in particular, but I don't think we need to be changing the 6-foot rule yet.
Look at my post from yesterday. California started aggressive social distancing around the same time as NY/NJ, but had far fewer cases per capita, so they were at least a week behind us in the progression of the outbreak. Starting SD a week earlier makes a huge difference in the eventual outcome. There could be other contributing factors, but that's the biggest factor. Clearly, NY/NJ leadership (Cuomo/DeBlasio/Murphy), in hindsight, should have started their shutdowns earler, given the explosive case growth going on, although not having a national plan for a national security issue was also a key miss.
In my comparison of the US and Italy yesterday, I showed how the US starting aggressive SD about 9 days earlier than Italy did vs. the same reference standard starting point of 10 cases per 1 million in population (needs to be per capita to be apples to apples) and we now have a much lower death rate per day than Italy does and, assuming we continue with aggressive SD will end up with well less than half their total deaths per capita (and less than half their cases per capita).
It's why all the states that have not started aggressive social distancing, despite everyone knowing what I just posted above, are just fukking stupid and their governors should be fired - and that's also why this should be coordinated nationally and not left with the states.
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...social-distancing.191275/page-55#post-4491470
https://covidly.com/graph?country=United States&state=New York
https://covidly.com/graph?country=United States&state=California
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