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I am at Roosevelt park today doing
My 3 hr walk
The rest rooms and playgrounds
Are closed and they are asking for
Social distancing for walkers.
And I noticed about a hundred
People, all with their heads down
No eye contact, no nodding, and if
You walk towards someone, they
Step aside.
I moved here 60 years ago, raised
3 kids and grandchildren coming here
A thousand times, never seen
Anything like it.
 
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Excellent article presenting best and worst case epidemiological/economic scenarios; the summaries are below and the article contains a lot more details. Good read.

In the big picture, I think we'll be closer to the best than worst case (if we do really well on social distancing/quarantining and continue to get better on testing), but that the next 2 months will likely be brutal in our densely populated cities and nearby suburbs, as well as some superspreader-driven hotspots (like we had in Kirkland), as serious infections/deaths overwhelm the health care system. I also think Spring is going to help, like it has for the common cold coronavirus and influenza. I'm also hopeful we'll have some helpful treatments by sometime this summer. And I think we'll have a vaccine, at least for the elderly/vulnerable, in a year.

Unfortunately, nobody on the planet truly "knows" how any of these things are going to play out and having to make big decisions in the face of such huge uncertainty is very difficult especially given the gargantuan downside of the worst case,

Certainly beats the paper's worst case of 2MM dead in the US, which I've never felt is realistic, as I simply don't see more than 20% infected and more than 1% mortality rate, which would result in ~600K dead and 5X that seriously ill, both of which are horrible, but not nearly as bad as the paper's worst case.

Here’s the grimmest version of life a year from now: More than two million Americans have died from the new coronavirus, almost all mourned without funerals. Countless others have died because hospitals are too overwhelmed to deal adequately with heart attacks, asthma and diabetic crises. The economy has cratered into a depression, for fiscal and monetary policy are ineffective when people fear going out, businesses are closed and tens of millions of people are unemployed. A vaccine still seems far off, immunity among those who have recovered proves fleeting and the coronavirus has joined the seasonal flu as a recurring peril.

Yet here’s an alternative scenario for March 2021: Life largely returned to normal by the late summer of 2020, and the economy has rebounded strongly. The United States used a sharp, short shock in the spring of 2020 to break the cycle of transmission; warm weather then reduced new infections and provided a summer respite for the Northern Hemisphere. By the second wave in the fall, mutations had attenuated the coronavirus, many people were immune and drugs were shown effective in treating it and even in reducing infection. Thousands of Americans died, mostly octogenarians and nonagenarians and some with respiratory conditions, but by February 2021, vaccinations were introduced worldwide and the virus was conquered.

https://dnyuz.com/2020/03/20/the-best-case-outcome-for-the-coronavirus-and-the-worst/
 
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NickKnight 1 said:
I am at Roosevelt park today doing
My 3 hr walk
The rest rooms and playgrounds
Are closed and they are asking for
Social distancing for walkers.
And I noticed about a hundred
People, all with their heads down
No eye contact, no nodding, and if
You walk towards someone, they
Step aside.
I moved here 60 years ago, raised
3 kids and grandchildren coming here
A thousand times, never seen
Anything like it.
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Walked over in Crabiel Park in Milltown. Crowded yes.. Bathrooms closed and kids Playground closed with yellow crime scene tape. Too bad. Must be a Middlesex County directive.
 
Question I know nj has closed stores
Barber shops, ymcas, and so on.
What has been done about the thousands of people who go
To NYC every day?
 
Ru0822 said:
Ny is about to enter a lockdown period, NJ will soon follow. This thing is serious.
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A bit overkilll...just about everyone can invent a reason to get around it




n Friday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced he will sign an executive order mandating that all employees except for essential services stay home.
The state is defining essential services as the following:
Essential health care operations including

research and laboratory services
hospitals
walk-in-care health facilities
veterinary and animal health services
elder care
medical wholesale and distribution
home health care workers or aides
doctor and dentist offices
nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
medical supplies and equipment providers

2. Essential infrastructure including

utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission
public water and wastewater
telecommunications and data centers
airports/airlines
transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages

3. Essential manufacturing including

food processing, including all foods and beverages
chemicals
medical equipment/instruments
pharmaceuticals
safety and sanitary products
telecommunications
microelectronics/semi-conductor
agriculture/farms
paper products

4. Essential retail including

grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
pharmacies
convenience stores
farmer’s markets
gas stations
restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
hardware and building material stores

5. Essential services including

trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal
mail and shipping services
laundromats/dry cleaning
building cleaning and maintenance
child care services
auto repair
warehouse/distribution and fulfillment
funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
storage for essential businesses
animal shelters or animal care or management

6. News media
7. Financial Institutions including

banks
insurance
payroll
accounting

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including

homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
food banks
human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support

9. Construction including

skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers
other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes

10. Defense

defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government

11. Essential services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of residences or other essential businesses including

law enforcement
fire prevention and response
building code enforcement
security
emergency management and response
building cleaners or janitors
general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
automotive repair
disinfection
doormen

12. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including

logistics
technology support
child care programs and services
government owned or leased buildings
essential government services

If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an essential business.
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RU#1fan said:
Walked over in Crabiel Park in Milltown. Crowded yes.. Bathrooms closed and kids Playground closed with yellow crime scene tape. Too bad. Must be a Middlesex County directive.
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Middlesex County....lol. Don’t miss it. Don’t plan on ever stepping foot in that corrupt country!
 
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ashokan said:
A bit overkilll...just about everyone can invent a reason to get around it




n Friday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced he will sign an executive order mandating that all employees except for essential services stay home.
The state is defining essential services as the following:
Essential health care operations including

research and laboratory services
hospitals
walk-in-care health facilities
veterinary and animal health services
elder care
medical wholesale and distribution
home health care workers or aides
doctor and dentist offices
nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
medical supplies and equipment providers

2. Essential infrastructure including

utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission
public water and wastewater
telecommunications and data centers
airports/airlines
transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages

3. Essential manufacturing including

food processing, including all foods and beverages
chemicals
medical equipment/instruments
pharmaceuticals
safety and sanitary products
telecommunications
microelectronics/semi-conductor
agriculture/farms
paper products

4. Essential retail including

grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
pharmacies
convenience stores
farmer’s markets
gas stations
restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
hardware and building material stores

5. Essential services including

trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal
mail and shipping services
laundromats/dry cleaning
building cleaning and maintenance
child care services
auto repair
warehouse/distribution and fulfillment
funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
storage for essential businesses
animal shelters or animal care or management

6. News media
7. Financial Institutions including

banks
insurance
payroll
accounting

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including

homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
food banks
human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support

9. Construction including

skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers
other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes

10. Defense

defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government

11. Essential services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of residences or other essential businesses including

law enforcement
fire prevention and response
building code enforcement
security
emergency management and response
building cleaners or janitors
general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
automotive repair
disinfection
doormen

12. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including

logistics
technology support
child care programs and services
government owned or leased buildings
essential government services

If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an essential business.
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I guess if you are a birthday clown or stripper you have to stay home. Everybody else can work
 
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ashokan said:
A bit overkilll...just about everyone can invent a reason to get around it




n Friday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced he will sign an executive order mandating that all employees except for essential services stay home.
The state is defining essential services as the following:
Essential health care operations including

research and laboratory services
hospitals
walk-in-care health facilities
veterinary and animal health services
elder care
medical wholesale and distribution
home health care workers or aides
doctor and dentist offices
nursing homes, or residential health care facilities or congregate care facilities
medical supplies and equipment providers

2. Essential infrastructure including

utilities including power generation, fuel supply and transmission
public water and wastewater
telecommunications and data centers
airports/airlines
transportation infrastructure such as bus, rail, or for-hire vehicles, garages

3. Essential manufacturing including

food processing, including all foods and beverages
chemicals
medical equipment/instruments
pharmaceuticals
safety and sanitary products
telecommunications
microelectronics/semi-conductor
agriculture/farms
paper products

4. Essential retail including

grocery stores including all food and beverage stores
pharmacies
convenience stores
farmer’s markets
gas stations
restaurants/bars (but only for take-out/delivery)
hardware and building material stores

5. Essential services including

trash and recycling collection, processing and disposal
mail and shipping services
laundromats/dry cleaning
building cleaning and maintenance
child care services
auto repair
warehouse/distribution and fulfillment
funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
storage for essential businesses
animal shelters or animal care or management

6. News media
7. Financial Institutions including

banks
insurance
payroll
accounting

8. Providers of basic necessities to economically disadvantaged populations including

homeless shelters and congregate care facilities
food banks
human services providers whose function includes the direct care of patients in state-licensed or funded voluntary programs; the care, protection, custody and oversight of individuals both in the community and in state-licensed residential facilities; those operating community shelters and other critical human services agencies providing direct care or support

9. Construction including

skilled trades such as electricians, plumbers
other related construction firms and professionals for essential infrastructure or for emergency repair and safety purposes

10. Defense

defense and national security-related operations supporting the U.S. Government or a contractor to the US government

11. Essential services necessary to maintain the safety, sanitation and essential operations of residences or other essential businesses including

law enforcement
fire prevention and response
building code enforcement
security
emergency management and response
building cleaners or janitors
general maintenance whether employed by the entity directly or a vendor
automotive repair
disinfection
doormen

12. Vendors that provide essential services or products, including logistics and technology support, child care and services needed to ensure the continuing operation of government agencies and provide for the health, safety and welfare of the public including

logistics
technology support
child care programs and services
government owned or leased buildings
essential government services

If the function of your business is not listed above, but you believe that it is essential or it is an entity providing essential services or functions, you may request designation as an essential business.
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I don’t know if I should feel good or bad about being “non-essential”...I somehow feel a bit hollow
 
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RobertG said:
I guess if you are a birthday clown or stripper you have to stay home. Everybody else can work
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I bet even they get a pass. I get notices from AOC on FB crying about how sex workers are getting hit hard.
 
ashokan said:
You should feel free to make things up as you see fit. My bike shop just announced they were essential. I think a lot of people realized how essential they are today lol
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until the state pays for insurance, bills, phone, rent, mortgage, food, then every job is essential at this point beyond this two week period of quarantine
 
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Everybody needs to take a look at a world map and look where exactly these cases are occurring. It’s all in the northern hemisphere with the exception of Australia. Then do yourself a favor and look at a map of where these cases are occurring therre and there proximity to Antarctica.

Then everybody needs to think about MERS and SARS. Does anyone really think western medicine just miraculously used a 75 year old malaria drug to treat COVID 19. Or maybe people already knew that the drugs where effective against the other recent coronavirus strains and used these drugs to treat COVID 19.

The facts as they present themselves right now.

Climate and temperature is affecting the transmission rate and spread.

Western medicine has treatment options.

Mortality rates 12 months from now will be significantly lower in the developed world than currently reported in this initial outbreak.
 
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Whether it’s snow or this virus some people on this board are looking at this from the worst possible lenses. It’s very much like the weather threads when they take the worst possible scenario and then post it, then they say, well this is not likely but look at this model. The only difference here is that bac is not here to counter those posts.
 
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Myrtleknight said:
Whether it’s snow or this virus some people on this board are looking at this from the worst possible lenses. It’s very much like the weather threads when they take the worst possible scenario and then post it, then they say, well this is not likely but look at this model. The only difference here is that bac is not here to counter those posts.
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im here and i agree with you but basically you can only post doom and gloom scenerios here or you are labelled a fox news viewer and in denial
 
Just posted this on another thread.

I'm typing what my niece shared -- it actually came from her brother (my nephew) who is a 1st year resident in Emergency Medicine (quite the timing, huh) out in Denver. This is him talking:

PSA: In the emergency department it is rare to see healthy, fit, 30-40 year olds breathing 25-30 times a minute only to obtain 82-85% oxygen. I see older patients, chronic disease patients with COPD and heart failure breathing like that often enough. But the healthy young ones? Almost never. This week I've seen 10. More every day.
Anyone that says the young and healthy are guaranteed to do well with COVID is misinformed. Stay home, wash your hands, come see us if you need us. But take this thing seriously guys, it's real deal.
 
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RU848789 said:
Dr. Raoult issued the actual paper on HCQ/Azithromycin today (first link) and Mr. Rigano did a spot on Fox tonight (2nd link). Still some skepticism in the medical community, and I have to admit that Mr. Rigano, who is a lawyer, and an advisor to the Stanford School of Medicine, comes off like a salesman in the Fox video, but if Dr. Raoult is correct, this is a game changer.

The data are stunning - 100% virologically cured with the combo by Day 6 vs. 57% cured with just HCQ and 12% in the control. Was a small study (42 patients) though and 6 patients dropped out, which is why some are concerned. However, it should be simple to replicate this on a larger scale and it needs to be done ASAP. I also imagine doctors and patients are going to be demanding these drugs based on this and fortunately both are generic, but I don't know the supply chain landscape.

As an aside it's also way premature to be calling this the 2nd ever 100% virus cure based on that limited of a data set, which is why there's skepticism. It took Pharmasett (and then Gilead who bought them when Merck stupidly failed to buy them) quite some time to make those claims for sofosbuvir curing Hep C, which it has. As an aside, the two active ingredients for Merck's HCV antiviral Zepatier were first scaled up and optimized, before manufacturing and launch, in my group in 2014-2016, but alas, we got to market too late.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/186Bel9RqfsmEx55FDum4eneY_IlWSHnGbj/view

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Clearly, the medical community, including Dr Fauci, who corrected Trump in today's press conference about hydroxychloroquine being "proven," is not anywhere near convinced that the promising results from a small, not well controlled study by Dr. Raoult, can be extrapolated to calling it a "cure" as Rigano did. And there is great concern that there will be so much off-label use, driven by the President's remarks, that lupus and RA patients might not be able to get their HCQ, which would be tragic. Yet another case of the POTUS getting out of his lane, as per below.

At a long-winded White House briefing on Friday, President Trump enthusiastically and repeatedly promoted the promise of two long-used malaria drugs that are still unproven against the coronavirus, but being tested in clinical trials.

“I’m a smart guy,” he said, while acknowledging he couldn’t predict the drugs would work. “I feel good about it. And we’re going to see. You’re going to see soon enough.”

But the nation’s leading infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, delicately — yet forcefully — pushed back from the same stage, explaining that there was only anecdotal evidence that the drugs, chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, may be effective.

“The president feels optimistic about something, has feelings about it,” said Dr. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, emphasizing that he was a scientist. “I am saying it may be effective.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-chloroquine-trump.html

Having said that, the FDA did announce that they're going to do some larger well-controlled trials with HCQ (looking at prevention), losartan for treatment early on (it's an angiotensin II receptor blocker that I worked on for 4 years in the early 90s, bringing the synthetic process to make the active ingredient to manufacturing), and remdesivir (for advanced treatment). It's not that we shouldn't be intrigued or even excited by the French study, but it's just way too premature to be touting it as a cure.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news...-of-m/89-e81f214f-2df5-4e09-beca-46d4c94c741c
 
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Myrtleknight said:
Everybody needs to take a look at a world map and look where exactly these cases are occurring. It’s all in the northern hemisphere with the exception of Australia. Then do yourself a favor and look at a map of where these cases are occurring therre and there proximity to Antarctica.

Then everybody needs to think about MERS and SARS. Does anyone really think western medicine just miraculously used a 75 year old malaria drug to treat COVID 19. Or maybe people already knew that the drugs where effective against the other recent coronavirus strains and used these drugs to treat COVID 19.

The facts as they present themselves right now.

Climate and temperature is affecting the transmission rate and spread.

Western medicine has treatment options.

Mortality rates 12 months from now will be significantly lower in the developed world than currently reported in this initial outbreak.
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90 percent of the people on earth live in the northern hemisphere. It's to be expected that most cases would be found there.

Right now it seems we are hoping the warmer months are going to save us. It might be cliche but it's true, hope isn't a strategy.
 
RU848789 said:
Well, almost exactly 8 days later and we have 4725 cases as of Monday, 3/16 with 1000 cases today, so going well over 5000 cases tomorrow, Tuesday, 3/17 is a foregone conclusion. I wish I had been wrong, but it was pretty obvious from the science and epidemiological math. When Italy had 4600 cases, 3 days later they started their national shutdown, although we can't compare those numbers directly, as we have 5X as many people - however, for our "hotspots" the comparison is close. We've started state-wide shutdowns in many states but have had little Federal leadership on this, which is needed badly, although it was nice to see the POTUS finally admit, today for the first time, that the outbreak was not under control and might take months to get under control. Maybe he'll even get the States military help and desperately needed medical supplies/beds and finally come through on the oft-promised test kits. Whether we're going to be Italy or we started our shutdowns just in time to "flatten the curve" by reducing transmission rates enough remains to be seen, especially in the major hotspots of Seattle and NYC (and many other cities not far behind - and NJ too).

It's about one week after Italy's initial shutdown (at 9000 cases) and they now have 28,000 cases and 2158 deaths and a broken health care system with people dying in hallways due to lack of medical care and equipment as the "peak" of sick people was way too high. 9 days ago, Italy and South Korea had about 7000 cases each with similar populations. South Korea, now has only about 8200 cases and 75 deaths with falling new case rates. Many of us have been screaming for a couple of weeks to adopt the SK model of intensive testing and quarantining the infected, asymptomatic/mildly symptomatic carriers who are contagious, but the US/CDC fumbled that approach, so now we're basically relying on aggressive social distancing, especially in the hotspots/densely populated areas. I'm not religious, but I might even say a prayer.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/16/opin...oronavirus-survivability-sepkowitz/index.html

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Well, 4 days later and the US has gone from just under 5000 cases to just over 20,000, doubling twice in 4 days. Yes, some of that is due to finally ramping up testing to find some of the ~10X more positive cases we likely had walking around 4 days ago (50,000 actual probably) and I'd guess that in four more days we'll have the most cases in the world, i.e., more than China's 80,000 (which is a fiction, but it's what they've reported), overtaking Spain and Italy also - not hard to see from the graphic below. We do have 5 times more people than Italy and 7 times more than Spain, but about 1/5 that of China, so the cases per capita are obviously different, but having been behind all these countries for awhile and then passing them is not good.

At least our death rate is only about 1.4% right now vs. Italy's ~8% and Spain's 5%, but we also have found most of our cases in the last 4 days, so many of those could be progressing towards serious outcomes and or deaths, especially as our hospitals become overwhelmed which will likely happen shortly, at least in NYC and some other densely populated areas, which would mean fatality rates would go up, like they did in Italy (unless we have backup locations in place in the next 2-3 days)

We're poised to become the worst country in the world at dealing with this pandemic and I don't think there's much we can do to stop it, as we already missed the boat on aggressive testing early on to identify and quarantine asymptomatic/infected spreaders and we're doing nowhere near as good at tracking contacts of positive cases so they can be quarantined, and we're doing a mediocre job of social distancing. And if you want to be depressed about our response, just realize that the US and South Korea both had our first cases on the same day and South Korea appears to have contained their outbreak with new cases well down from a week ago and about 8600 total cases, while we've zoomed well past them.

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/coronavirus/article241386441.html

The lack of government leadership of the President, the executive branch and the Congress, too, is coming home to roost. Seems like the only ones who've been proactive are the governors and local officials/citizens of the hard hit areas and even some of the not so hard hit ones. Every other country has a country-wide plan, but us. We need one. Yesterday.

Just like when I predicted we'd have 5000 cases in ~8 days and that's exactly what happened, I hope I'm wrong with the fairly pessimistic predictions in this post. I hope people start taking social distancing more seriously and I hope the Federal government finally comes through with more support for testing, medical supplies (masks/ventilators etc.), hospitals and back up hospitals/beds to help the states out. Maybe that will be enough to "flatten the curve" enough to blunt the worst of what's coming, but time has almost run out, at least for NYC and parts of the DC-Boston corridor and SF/Seattle. I would not be surprised to see the US Military getting involved if this gets beyond the ability of the National Guard to support (plans are being drafted for that of course).

Having said all this, I do think we'll be successful in controlling the pandemic in the next few weeks (after some serious pain in some locations like NYC) before we need to go to China-style full lockdown nationwide. However, if we're not, rather than such draconian steps for a long period of time which would likely cripple the economy beyond easy repair, there's going to need to be a conversation about shifting to very aggressively protecting the elderly (over 60 probably) and youngrer people who are immunocompromised and those with significant underlying conditions, while living with transmission and much lower hospitalization/death rates in the healthy under 60 population. The "cure" can't be so bad that it destroys the economy and society. There are also some indications that we'll see seasonality soon, as I posted yesterday and that transmissions from asymptomatic/infected people is less than originally thought.

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/...P_BANNER&context=storyline_menu#link-59a70b06

Changed thread title from "COVID-19: WHO- Pandemic; SOE in NY/NJ; rapid spread; still testing fiasco; getting ugly; good luck" to current title.
 
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NickKnight 1 said:
I am at Roosevelt park today doing
My 3 hr walk
The rest rooms and playgrounds
Are closed and they are asking for
Social distancing for walkers.
And I noticed about a hundred
People, all with their heads down
No eye contact, no nodding, and if
You walk towards someone, they
Step aside.
I moved here 60 years ago, raised
3 kids and grandchildren coming here
A thousand times, never seen
Anything like it.
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https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/has-anyone-been-out-of-the-house.192651/page-3
 
Article from former CDC director Tom Frieden. Kind of covers and summarizes a lot of what has been discussed on this thread. One comment caught my attention though:

"Although prior reports suggested that 80% of people got only mild disease, it now appears that about half of these people, despite not needing hospital admission, have moderately severe pneumonia, which can take weeks or longer to recover from."

So he is suggesting that half of the supposedly "mild" cases are actually exhibiting fairly significant pneumonias. I've read comments suggesting this here and there but haven't seen a published study or "official" report. I have to admit that I've cut back on how closely I'm following the details of the pandemic. Maybe @RU848789 or someone else here has come across something about this?

Should note that it is not all that uncommon for people to have mild pneumonia and not even know it (walking pneumonia).

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-response-must-adapt-frieden-analysis/index.html
 
rutgersguy1 said:
Just anecdotal but possibly another positive thing with that malaria drug.

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020...anti-malaria-drug-is-helping-him-recover.html
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This is not anecdotal .........

https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69#Fig2

Fauci is wrong for calling the efficacy of chloroquine and it's derivative HCQ "anecdotal". Maybe we don't have yet a double blind clinical trial (clinical trial gold standard) results but there are plenty of studies that shows the small molecule is potent against the virus.

Also, easier to prescribe generics for off-label than brand name Remdesivir and Kaletra, where compassionate use approval have to first be granted.

I have no doubt in mind that our full arsenal of drug remedies are already being administered - hopefully, (or rather cross-fingers optimistically) it will help reduce our death count. Also, vaccines will be ready by end of summer.

We WILL beat this virus. Just have to remain optimistic but at the same time, exercise extreme care with social distancing and self quarantine. STAY HOME unless really needed.
 
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NBA Mock Draft Article from The Athletic

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