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You were complaining that Fauci and Cuomo weren’t wearing masks, now you’re complaining about people on the street wearing masks.

Which one is it?


Dear God in Heaven. Because Fauci and Cuomo are around alot of people in enclosed areas.. These folks were outside.
 
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I might agree with you if you said it was 12 people all walking 6 feet away from anyone else. But you said groups of 2 which means that it was likely 2 friends walking together. Assuming those two friends weren’t podded/roommates, it is exactly the right thing for them to be wearing masks.


But if they dined outside at Stuff U Face sitting 2 feet apart and took their mask off to eat all is good.
 
But if they dined outside at Stuff U Face sitting 2 feet apart and took their mask off to eat all is good.
You don't get it.. it is up to them whether they wear masks of not.. whether they want people yelling at them for not wearing a mask.. whether they want a cop to stop them and ask them where their masks are, etc. You may not agree with any of those reasons.. or underlying rules out there.. but while ridicule them for making a personal choice?

Maybe they didn't want their faces to appear on security cameras because they were going to tear down Willie the Silent. Maybe they both have herpes sores.. Maybe they are worried about people with a raging case of blatant assholism approaching them, recognizing them.

You guys are using them as a straw man to argue against mask-wearing requirements and state rules about this and the media fear-mongering. They are just two people wearing masks because they chose to.
 
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Spanish flu, are you kidding me? Is this society full of snow flakes? Black Death wiped out 1/3 of Europe’s population - anything short of that and we should all be sharing ice cream cones and crowding into train cars with strangers.
Oh hell yeah! :)

 
No, not about you, just about you complaining that 50% of people on the board haven't been tested. Why get tested unless there is a legit reason to?
See that is the point it makes no sense to get tested unless you have symptoms or some one you have been in contact with has the virus or was exposed then yes get tested. There are those who feel differently about testing and that is how arguments start.
 
I can see you now..

- Black Death? C'mon.. that's fear-mongering. There's nothing black about it!
- Why is everyone leaving the cities.. we have to stop that or the economy will come to a halt!
- SOME families had survivors.. why should everyone panic?

I kid, I kid..
HA! HA! For something mind-blowing, check out the video at the 4:30 mark. For the second and most deadly outbreak ever (1347) guess where it started?

Yup.....
 
Dear God in Heaven. Because Fauci and Cuomo are around alot of people in enclosed areas.. These folks were outside.

I’m not rehashing the Fauci debate. He was outside and the argument is not reasonable. Same reason I would never criticize Trump or anyone else in similar situations. Next please.
 
Six Marlins players are sidelined with the virus.They're staying in Philadelphia until test results for the rest of the team can be obtained.Now,the Phillies need to be checked as well.
 
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Well , there are different rules for people in power positions and there always will be. Look you have a sports board and the ONLY person of power is Richie the owner... For several months now we see 5/6 people who because of a claimed medical knowledge or perceived expertise dictate the conversations. That’s all well and good but when a difference of opinion arises people begin to challenge who is right and who is wrong . In the end someone always brings in politics. It’s a thread created in order to talk about the virus and specifically about new therapeutics, vaccines, spread , masks or no masks , data and it usually deteriorates into a diatribe about death, future deaths and why it’s this groups fault and not ours.It will never change ... it is too deeply Imbedded in personal philosophical differences of choice. Maybe after we beat this virus down we can get back to being a sports board that argues about what bowl game or what NCAA bracket we will be in . God I sure as shit hope so.


good post, for me here, I am here to challenge people to research beyond what the msm is feeding you. Get all kinds of information, Question things that do not quite make sense or seem random and hypocritical. I realize some are in love with what the msm dictates to them. Remember some like myself believe the msm has been lying to the public for 4 years now on every major story.
 
good post, for me here, I am here to challenge people to research beyond what the msm is feeding you. Get all kinds of information, Question things that do not quite make sense or seem random and hypocritical. I realize some are in love with what the msm dictates to them. Remember some like myself believe the msm has been lying to the public for 4 years now on every major story.

Ok Qanon.
 
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Spoke to my father this weekend, in Italy masks are mandatory even outside. 1000 euro fine if not wearing one.
 
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Covid-19 passes stroke to become the 5th most likely cause of death in the US. It will likely pass lung disease and injury by YE 2020 to be the third most likely cause of death in the US.

If we had Germany's rate Covid-19 would not be one the top 10 causes of death in the US.
 
good post, for me here, I am here to challenge people to research beyond what the msm is feeding you. Get all kinds of information, Question things that do not quite make sense or seem random and hypocritical. I realize some are in love with what the msm dictates to them. Remember some like myself believe the msm has been lying to the public for 4 years now on every major story.
Damn fine post! Thank you for all you do.

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Maybe people where their masks outside because they need it for where they’re going, and it’s more comfortable to wear it than to hold it or to let it dangle from the ear. Seems safer to wear it than to shove it in a pocket that also holds a phone, cash, and some keys that have never seen a Lysol wipe.
 
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good post, for me here, I am here to challenge people to research beyond what the msm is feeding you. Get all kinds of information, Question things that do not quite make sense or seem random and hypocritical. I realize some are in love with what the msm dictates to them. Remember some like myself believe the msm has been lying to the public for 4 years now on every major story.

CV is definitely real

but, there are too many people who have been caught lying so many times on other topics, that, it could make one think: COVID-19(84)
 
Covid-19 passes stroke to become the 5th most likely cause of death in the US. It will likely pass lung disease and injury by YE 2020 to be the third most likely cause of death in the US.

If we had Germany's rate Covid-19 would not be one the top 10 causes of death in the US.
We test more people in a week than Germany has tested since day 1. Maybe they have lower death totals because they don’t consider every death a covid death. Their heart attacks are heart attacks, their cancer patients die of cancer etc etc
 
We test more people in a week than Germany has tested since day 1. Maybe they have lower death totals because they don’t consider every death a covid death. Their heart attacks are heart attacks, their cancer patients die of cancer etc etc

Excess death data says this isn’t a shell game; those tweets that pop up now and then about a firefighter who saw a car accident victim get listed as a Covid death don’t mean anything. They have 0 value. Worthless.
 
We test more people in a week than Germany has tested since day 1. Maybe they have lower death totals because they don’t consider every death a covid death. Their heart attacks are heart attacks, their cancer patients die of cancer etc etc
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These death stats are very suspect. If you dead while infected, if may be for another reasons. Most states don't care and report it anyway.
 
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These death stats are very suspect. If you dead while infected, if may be for another reasons. Most states don't care and report it anyway.

see my post above. Remember when this all started and everyone on the CE board was like “oh yeah, let’s see the total death data, then we’ll know if this is real!!!” Then the data came out, and more Americans are dying this year, to an extent suggesting that the impact of Covid deaths are actually understated in the official tallies.
 
see my post above. Remember when this all started and everyone on the CE board was like “oh yeah, let’s see the total death data, then we’ll know if this is real!!!” Then the data came out, and more Americans are dying this year, to an extent suggesting that the impact of Covid deaths are actually understated in the official tallies.
The data is definitely overstated.
 
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see my post above. Remember when this all started and everyone on the CE board was like “oh yeah, let’s see the total death data, then we’ll know if this is real!!!” Then the data came out, and more Americans are dying this year, to an extent suggesting that the impact of Covid deaths are actually understated in the official tallies.
How many Americans? What is Your death prediction in 2020 vs 2019. Huge increase I’m sure.
 
good post, for me here, I am here to challenge people to research beyond what the msm is feeding you. Get all kinds of information, Question things that do not quite make sense or seem random and hypocritical. I realize some are in love with what the msm dictates to them. Remember some like myself believe the msm has been lying to the public for 4 years now on every major story.

So why not try using good information instead of bogus tweets, ill-informed opinions, baseless nonsense and unglued whining. Would only help with your goal.
 
We test more people in a week than Germany has tested since day 1. Maybe they have lower death totals because they don’t consider every death a covid death. Their heart attacks are heart attacks, their cancer patients die of cancer etc etc

I added population density and tests per positive case to my spreadsheet (which is just the Worldometers raw data). Not sure how to paste as an actual spreadsheet (it's a snipped picture from Excel) so people could actually use the data. While Japan is a good question, South Korea is even more densely populated and had a big early outbreak, yet they still controlled it. The really amazing cases, to me, were Singapore and Hong Kong, which are 10-50X more densely populated than almost every country on that spreadsheet and as densely populated as NYC and yet they've had essentially trivial levels of cases (even with recent flare-ups).

Both have very strong mask-wearing cultures and Hong Kong did an incredible number of tests per case. In fact the top 8 countries in tests per case (meaning one is getting a ton of very mild/asymptomatic positives and usually tracing them to ensure they don't infect others) all have <6 deaths/1MM. The only outlier is Denmark, which has the 9th most tests/positive case, but does not have a strong mask wearing culture and has ~105 deaths/1MM.

Japan and Singapore are similar in that they have very low deaths/1MM, but don't have unusually high tests/case, but do have extremely strong mask-wearing cultures. The US is #31 of 42 in that spreadsheet in tests/case - we've run a lot of tests, overall, but this stat is indicative of always being behind the case curve. Ethiopia, Kenya and Nigeria are the only countries with <10 deaths/1MM that don't have fairly high tests/case, although to be frank, I'm not sure we know enough about their data collection to know if their data can be trusted.

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Sorry, but you're way off on tests. The US does have 163K tests per 1MM vs. 88K tests per 1MM in Germany, but that isn't nearly as useful an indicator of smart, aggressive testing, as are tests per case and tests per death, where Germany has 34 tests/case and 751 tests/death, while the US has 12 tests/case and 341 tests/death. Germany is about 2-3X better on these stats (like they're about 4X better on deaths per capita - 109/1MM vs. 434/1MM, as of about 5 days ago when I shared this for selected countries), which indicates they were testing much more, earlier, and doing something with that info (tracing/isolating much better than we did), such that they the pandemic didn't grow nearly as explosively there and they were able to keep on top of it with less testing.

If we were doing a lot better on reducing transmission post the first wave, via masking/distancing, we'd have a lot less cases and would need far fewer tests to find those cases. Look at the modified Worldometers table in my post above, which shows that the best countries in the world are those with the most tests per case, meaning they controlled the spread much better, earlier, so they didn't need anywhere near as many tests. The bottom line is that the best way to have low deaths per capita is to have low cases per capita, by greatly reducing transmission (by masking/distancing, combined with testing, tracing, and isolating to control flareups and prevent them from becoming outbreaks). It's logically easy to do, but operationally very hard to do without leadership/alignment at all levels.
 
We test more people in a week than Germany has tested since day 1. Maybe they have lower death totals because they don’t consider every death a covid death. Their heart attacks are heart attacks, their cancer patients die of cancer etc etc

Germany has 9k deaths and we have 150k deaths. You really think we over counted COVID deaths by roughly 140k deaths? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
Below is the Worldometers detailed graphic of US deaths, with today's total of 908 being a bit below the last 4 days, which were all above 1000, although it is the weekend and most weekends see a dip. Below that are the COVID Tracking charts of US tests, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, all on 7-day moving averages. It also looks like yesterday's record of 78K cases was likely a bit of a blip, as we were back down to 68K, which is right around our 7-day moving average.

One noteworthy observation was that Arizona just missed its record high in deaths (144 vs. 147), so it's possible they're still going up - last night I had speculated they might be starting to peak, but that we needed to wait a few days to confirm, so we need to wait a few more days.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
https://covidtracking.com/data#chart-annotations

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Below is the Worldometers detailed graphic of US deaths, with today's total of 451 being well below the last 5 days, which had averaged over 1000 - the weekend dips have been very consistent with the last 3 Sundays having 451, 412, and 381 deaths, after a fair amount more the previous several days. If the pattern continues, tomorrow will also be relatively low and numbers will jump up again on Tuesday and will likely be higher this week than last week, as deaths very likely haven't peaked yet from this 2nd wave, given the lag from cases.

Cases were also well down at 56K, the lowest since 7/7 - not clear if this is the start of a decline after cases had largely plateaued the past week or so. Below the Worldometers death chart are the COVID Tracking charts of US tests, cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, all on 7-day moving averages. Hard to make any meaningful observations on today's stats on a state level, given the large dip, although any dip is good to see. It's why I originally was only going to do detailed state analyses once a week or so (it's been on Tuesday nights the past 3 weeks).

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us
https://covidtracking.com/data#chart-annotations

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Interesting article in Science on "inflammaging" (from inflammation and aging), describing how the immune systems in older people simply don't function as well as they do in younger people and how this plays a major role in the increased morbidity and mortality in the elderly. In inflammaging, the innate immune system becomes overactive, leading often to the "cytokine storm" that has been observed to lead to many deaths in the elderly, plus the adaptive immune system (T-cells and such) becomes much less effective in older people, so it's like a double whammy.

https://science.sciencemag.org/cont...-ZNVoEcSqnsn15hoe1x_HWSjlB5jc1-REooZtNWReASHE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infla...lso known as,worsen many age-related diseases.
 
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