you can't bring facts to the cult. Some of these guys are as bad as the psu cultists.
Greg is failing and no one yet has offered a rational rebuttal to that view
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Greg is failing and no one yet has offered a rational rebuttal to that view
Again, I point you back to the calendar. It's August. If you want to have such a discussion at least wait for November.
You called people whose opinion on GS differs from yours, The Cult. And claimed you cannot bring facts to them.
And you say my use of "sky-is-falling" is wrong and an effort to "turn it around"?
Please. You are trolling Schiano and everyone who offers him support.
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Yes it was me ! A legendary thread and the board cred only grew !
But I didn’t want ash to lose .it didn’t do anyone , any good . Rather have had good football. That’s why I feel the schiano haters feel the same way
Did anyone actually still believe in Ash after season-1 aside from MorrisAsh?
He set the program back a decade
RU minimum academic standards have precluded admission a bunch.
What's borderline about my comment? We've had guys of our own that were sketchy. You know how many thugs and stick up artists have played in the SEC? You saying the issue doesn't exist?
The portal is a tool for sure. Most of the guys available are either disgruntled or damaged goods though. That's why I'm not a big fan. A one off that fits now and again I'm all for.
Finding recruits and nurturing them in the system I feel is the better way. Takes much longer and some patience, but in the long run is much more stable.
If Nick Saban came to Rutgers?
“If” you could stick a piano up a birds ass you would have music in the air!
Bottom line her people have made up their mind with Schiano. After 4 years some swear he’s not going to make it and some swear he is.
I have never been more optimistic about Rutgers football and Rutgers sports in general. If Pike can do it, Schiano can do it.
Rutgers is finally putting the resources necessary to compete.
I know the blue bloods are writing blank checks for players but we are not there. Don’t know if we ever will be.(that’s not on Schiano).
That being said Schiano hasn’t really lost players to the portal. If his kids hang around for 4 years, in his system they will be ready for the next level.
This program might even surprise some of Schiano’s harshes critics.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
Time will tell.
Until then these threads are a colossal waste of time.
Not only that... it is a single event.. "sent packing from OSU" was because GS essentially told them he needs to be replaced because he got the TN job... which he did. And OSU welcomed him back for 2018. But he was an Urban Meyer hire and when Meyer left, Ryan Day wanted his people... and they finally lost to Michigan again. But GS was not "right" for Ohio State.. too many primadonnas like the NFL.
These guys are criticizing the head coach just before the season starts. They will stop at nothing to "prove" they were right and we never should have rehired Schiano... because they never liked him.
Even after Terry Shea's "legacy" and Greg brought us to bowl game after bowl game but that was not enough to get the haters to back off just a couple weeks before the season starts.
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Nick Saban isn’t touching this job and the fact you don’t understand this shows that you don’t fully understand the challenges at Rutgers. This job requires a lot more work than other programs because we don’t have the resources that others have and we usually don’t get our first choice in recruits.
That’s why this job requires a lot more work than others and why coaches like Mike Houston are a poor fit for this job because they won’t understand the scope of the challenge. It took three years for Chris Ash to understand that he needed to recruit Florida, in order for us to have enough talent. Greg Schiano understood this from day one, which is why we were able to realize results sooner, such as going to a bowl game, in 2021. 2024 class gives us enough talent to be competitive and I don’t know how anyone can expect anything more. This was always going to be a slow build of at least 5 years. The fact that you think more progress should have been shown sooner, shows that your expectations simply are not realistic.
Isn’t it on HC Schiano to prove the “haters” wrong?
Just simply be competitive in games and win.
Hard to argue against that.
Obviously people will be it would be obvious their agenda.
It’s not like we’ve actually been successful the last years.
We’ve literally had one of the worst offense in the county.
Considering HC Schiano has made a Ash like “retreat to defense and hire an OC that will protect the defense” with OC KC, I’m not too optimistic for the future.
I am sorry that GS hasn't turned things around fast enough for you all. Why don't you all admit that it is a personality thing as much as anything else? We saw it during GS 1.0 that the haters did not know what they were talking about. GS deserves some faith.. he has earned it.
Personal?
Your talking to the wrong person.
I couldn’t give a crap about HC Schiano personally one way or another.
Results have nothing to do with it.
It’s the foundational philosophy that I don’t like. Consistent results can’t come if the baseline is wrong.
I liked the OC Gleeson hire based on his initial interview and history. But that quickly went out the door (don’t know if that was Gleeson or Schiano).
Would have been fine with HC Schiano if hired a different OC than KC.
This reeks of HC Ash reverting to OC Kill to slow down the offense and protect the defense. Let the defense win games and run out the clock.
As CFB has demonstrated for decades, this isn’t a winning strategy for under talented teams (which we are against most of the Big Ten).
You seem to be one hung up making it personal with HC Schiano.
"personality" is what I said. Not "personal". You then go on to suggest something that sounds like "personality" in "foundational philosophy". Oh.. did you think I mean "personality" should be applied to teh haters/doubters/critics/"realists"? no... I meant GS' personality.
You show me a coach that can come in here and turn a bunch of large NJ businesses into supporters and NIL contributors and use that money to compete directly with the big boys and that we can actually hire that person and then we can talk.
Basketball fans here might recognize this.. that just last April or so we saw posts that were eerily similar to the GS hater posts of 2010 or so. After 2006 the haters got quiet but eventually roared back to insist that GS has brought us as far as he could and we needed to make a change. The same was said last spring about Coach Pike.
Maybe some of the haters are not just Schiano haters.. but are Rutgers haters seeking to cause turmoil. And the real Rutgers fans who have a negative opinion about the state of things get sucked into supporting them... sucked into defending their negative slants.
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Again, didn't say we want the Temple recruits, but don't kid yourself into thinking that we are the Stanford of the East as for academic standards for recruits. Academic standards of the University are not holding Greg back from fully utilizing the transfer portal. Hell, if programs like Duke can use the portal, so can Rutgers.
The problem with traditional HS student recruiting is that you have to expect a certain % of the kids you recruit to leave the program if they are not getting the playing time they think they deserve, or if they become superstars they want a bigger platform. As a lower tier P5 program, and also all of the G5 programs, you end up putting a lot of work into developing players for other higher tier programs. A competent Rutgers coach should be able to recruit promising P5 players who entered the portal for reasons other than NIL money and the best of the G5 programs. A slow rebuild through recruiting worked 10, 20, 30 years ago, but isn't the reality of today's college football.
Laughable. We beat Temple, even if it was an ugly affair.
Temple talent isn’t going to make us competitive in the Big Ten, so they are hardly a model of success for us. Their qb was a high risk high school recruit that worked out for them, not a transfer.
We play in an elite conference with teams filled with elite talent. For us to show progress, we need elite talent on offense.
We either develop it ourselves, or we get it from the transfer portal. But to get it from the transfer portal, you need to spend big bucks. Otherwise, you have to take a chance on a high risk recruit like what we are doing with Brantley and Jackson, whose effectiveness at this level is unknown, but we are hoping for the best.
USC understood that they needed more talent and they bought the best elite talent in Caleb Williams, who won the Heisman last year, and Jordan Addisson.
That’s what moves the bar. Not the 2 and 3 star transfers that we’ve been getting, because picking out the wheat from the chafe among them is very difficult, and you can’t build a program based on this caliber of transfers, because too many of them will wash out. The fact that you think that we should be able to go bowling, relying on the 2 and 3 star transfers, we’ve been able to get, shows that you don’t understand what it takes to be successful on this level.
We need proven kids who have demonstrated success on this level or close to this level. Otherwise, we just wait for the new recruits to join and develop. Korey Duff is going to help us take things to the next level, but he is going to need time to acclimate. We all hope to win sufficiently this year, but there might not be enough offensive talent to do so.
How has he earned it? Has he earned it by his record on the field? Did he earn it by delivering conference championships, major bowl invites? Did he earn it by abandoning the program in its most crucial hour to grab even more money in the pros? Greg Schiano has made millions of dollars off of the program and delivered nothing but mediocrity at best, so has he earned another opportunity to go 1-8 in the conference again, I guess in some fan's eyes, not necessarily mine.
Once again, for the third time, since you just pick and choose from posts, I never said we want Temple talent, I used them as an example of a coach with far less resources that Greg Schiano who has been able to use the transfer portal to build a team in 2 years. Even under your misguided logic, Greg Schiano having had three traditional recruiting classes should in year 4 be able to field a team that wins 6 games given the ease of the OOC schedule. That is without the transfer portal. Either way, If Schiano can't win 6 games with the schedule he has been fortunate enough to be given in year 4 of a rebuild there needs to be serious consequences.
Temple has new bodies. Whether the new kids can actually play, remains to be seen. Greg Schiano said he needed a new Football Fieldhouse to recruit effectively at this level and that hasn’t been provided.
For a conference as difficult as the Big Ten, you need 5 recruiting classes to adequately turn things over. During Schiano I, it took us five years to have a bowl program. We have a chance to be bowling this year, but it is not a guarantee. As it stands, now, we have 6 sure losses in Maryland, PSU, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Iowa. That means we have to be perfect in our remaining games, to go bowling. Might happen, might not. If it doesn’t happen, I’m not going to lose sleep, because we’re on the right track.
You are this grass is always greener guy, right?
You seem to be the type would say.. when UNH beat a GS team then we should have hired their OC, Chip Kelly as head coach and had him bring Ricky Santos with him. Every coach rumored to be a Rutgers target who succeeds elsewhere is proof that he would have succeeded here at Rutgers. Every such coach who fails elsewhere was never really a target.. ignore them.
I have seen someone here mention the ECU coach who had a 2-year stink at Citadel then a 3-year stint at JMU (that was already good) and he is 22-24 at ECU and this poster would insist we hire him now.
Leopold at Kansas.. man alive.. at 5-0 last year the GS haters were all over that stuff... then Kansas went 1-6 to finish the season but they got a bowl game vs Arkansa and it was pretty exciting. But Leopold is 8-17 with Kansas with players the MNC-winning coach, and great recruiter, Les Miles left for him.
We saw what other coaches did here and we saw what GS did here. He has earned it..
Bro it’s not the 4 years here, I knew this was a failure from the start! Greg has done nothing but fail at every stop since he left RU the first time. Ohio states defense got statistically better when he left mid season as DC.
He was sitting around available for anyone to hire for a decade, no one did. All he had was memories and a desperate RU fanbase clinging to former glory. This was doomed from the start
Nobody was rooting against Ash from succeeding at Rutgers. But his tenure started out on a very bad foot when in his first or second press conference he basically trashed Rutgers "Traditions" and blasted the entire program. His tenure went downhill both on and off the field from there.
Your thread, was the first that I can remember really taking Ash to task. Talk about a thread that aged well, that it!
Greg, is a good coach and I think he will get us playing competitive BIG football with the resources the school and fanbase will provide. If he can create another 2006 like season, I think Rutgers recruiting goes off the charts with local talent and we can increase our success in the BIG and nationally.
Many of us have always said, that Rutgers could be an incredible football program if we can Keep local talent, increase the loyal fanbase, increase donations to the program and other metrics that will move Rutgers football higher in the BIG and national rankings.
BTW, from a recruiting standpoint Greg is already a big success. The last recruiting rankings under Ash, I think we were # 67 in national rankings, Greg has moved us to the mid 30's in recruiting rankings. Greg has moved us up 30 spots in recruiting rankings, without an on field record to match. I am willing to give greg room to get the ship moving in the right direction. Go RU!
We can’t compare 1.0 to 2.0 because the game, the conference game, has changed.
Forget about NIL, portal, etc.
1.0 got easier, 2.0 is getting harder.
So for those saying “he did it before, he can do it again” mantra, I ask you…who in the B1G is leaving?
Forget about NIL, portal, etc.
1.0 got easier, 2.0 is getting harder.
So for those saying “he did it before, he can do it again” mantra, I ask you…who in the B1G is leaving?
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Lol some of you people need to get a grip. Greg isn’t going anywhere *as it stands* and no one cares that you have a Rutgers degree (lol). No amount of online kvetching is changing that. If he goes 3-9 or 2-10 next year we can talk.
There is no mistaking that Schiano has mismanaged both the QB position and his staff. But we should also be cognizant of the fact that we compete against programs who are in many ways insurmountable (the big 3).
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it's august is your retort???? lol, brother, we've got a whole tape room of GS to pull from.
I'll ask once again; GS is failing here and no one can counter that with a rational rebuttal but can you?
You're right. I misread.
It does seem there are some (not a lot) that personally don't like HC Schiano. Maybe they had a bad experience at a meet and greet or didn't get their butt kissed appropriately? Dont know. But it goes beyond "I don't like his coaching philosophy".
His personality has no impact on results. Ash could have been the nicest guy in the room - he still sucked as a coach and made terrible OC hires of Kill/McNulty.
But yes, I vehemently disagree the HC current coaching philosophy (could be any HC and not just Schiano. Lost all hope for HC Ash when he hired OC Kill).
Schiano's name could be Saban, Ash, Lombardi - if he hired OC KC then I would be less than enthusiastic about the future of the team.
Many people (positive and negative) seem to be hung up on the name "Schiano".
Doesn't matter who the name is. The opponents aren't playing easier against us because of a name. They aren't letting us get touchdowns because "Schiano" is the coach.
If we hired an air raid OC then I'd be mmore enthusiastic.
If hired a HC who prioritized scoring points then I'd be more more enthusiastic.
If HC Schiano came out and said we are going to now prioritize scoring points and offensive opportunities - I'd be more enthusiastic. No more "defensive" coaching of the offense.
HC Pike is a good example - he's changing to a modern offense and modern basketball.
See Hyatt and Gavin taking 3s.
Now if he goes back to slow down, no 3s, bad offense - he'll get the same criticism as before.
It's not like we didn't have a terrible offense. We did.
I just keep a wait and see attitude. It's not like I or anyone else would have much choice anyhow.
I do think the timeline I mentioned above will likely hold, until year 5 to get to .500 in the regular season. I don't see much chance of it going beyond that without those results. The buyout is the same we paid Ash and B10 payments are only going up by the year. Last 2 years of the deal are at 50%. (this is incorrect) I think the odds of seeing year 5 also go up because KC got a 3 year deal instead of a 2 year one.
Wasn't on the GS train when he got hired because for probably 15 years or so now, I've always thought productive offense was the avenue with the most potential (not a guarantee) to outperform your status on the college landscape. I wasn't optimistic that would happen under him. That being said I've actually changed my mind and now think he needed to be hired even if he ends up failing. A good portion of this fanbase (especially back then) are so devoted to him that the opportunity needed to be given. The GS in the B10 experiment needed to be performed to get a resolution one way or another. If he works great and if he doesn't we move on without any GS ghost overhanging any future hires. Every hire is always a crap shoot of varying degrees, don't need any added noise in the background.
Reality is he will be here for this year and next at least (barring some meltdown this season). Reality is he most likely will have to be .500 regular season at the latest in year 5 to keep on going. I like using my crystal ball for realignment, this stuff not so much lol. So we wait and see how the season goes.
When the time comes, if he works great. If not we try again and again and again. I don't lose hope that we have the chance to become a better program whoever the heck is in charge.
edit: GS would be owed 76.875% of the remaining contract. After year 5 would be 3 years left, so likely in the vicinity of 9-10M. We paid Ash about 8.5M when he was fired.
I do think the timeline I mentioned above will likely hold, until year 5 to get to .500 in the regular season. I don't see much chance of it going beyond that without those results. The buyout is the same we paid Ash and B10 payments are only going up by the year. Last 2 years of the deal are at 50%. (this is incorrect) I think the odds of seeing year 5 also go up because KC got a 3 year deal instead of a 2 year one.
Wasn't on the GS train when he got hired because for probably 15 years or so now, I've always thought productive offense was the avenue with the most potential (not a guarantee) to outperform your status on the college landscape. I wasn't optimistic that would happen under him. That being said I've actually changed my mind and now think he needed to be hired even if he ends up failing. A good portion of this fanbase (especially back then) are so devoted to him that the opportunity needed to be given. The GS in the B10 experiment needed to be performed to get a resolution one way or another. If he works great and if he doesn't we move on without any GS ghost overhanging any future hires. Every hire is always a crap shoot of varying degrees, don't need any added noise in the background.
Reality is he will be here for this year and next at least (barring some meltdown this season). Reality is he most likely will have to be .500 regular season at the latest in year 5 to keep on going. I like using my crystal ball for realignment, this stuff not so much lol. So we wait and see how the season goes.
When the time comes, if he works great. If not we try again and again and again. I don't lose hope that we have the chance to become a better program whoever the heck is in charge.
edit: GS would be owed 76.875% of the remaining contract. After year 5 would be 3 years left, so likely in the vicinity of 9-10M. We paid Ash about 8.5M when he was fired.
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It's just my opinion but my feeling with Schiano is that his fatal failing is that his teams underperform relative to talent. He was able to assemble a pretty talented group of players last time but they always fell short, always. That's the opposite of what Rutgers needs and it's not going to change. Even if the team and recruiting improve there's a low cap on how high he can go.
Where do you see last two years are at 50%? Every publication I’ve seen says remaining years are paid out at 76.875%
Here are the details of Greg Schiano’s historic contract to return to Rutgers | Inside the changes that got the deal done
Greg Schiano is officially Rutgers’ head football coach again. Here are the contract details.
Salary and years: Schiano signed an eight-year, $32 million deal, but it is not fully guaranteed. He was asking for a full guarantee when talks originally fractured. The retention bonuses from the original deal - $400,000 every two years - are also out.
Schiano will make $4 million a year. If he is fired without cause at any point in the contract, he will be paid 76.875% of his remaining salary; the payout from that point will not exceed $24.6 million. Schiano’s buyout to break the contract begins at $8 million if he leaves Rutgers prior to Dec. 1, 2020, and it decreases as the contract progresses. Schiano will have a $6 million buyout in his second season, a $4 million buyout in his third, a $3 million buyout in his fourth and a $2 million buyout in his fifth. Schiano will have a $1 million buyout for the final three years of the deal.
You are definitely creative in the number of ways you can let the Board know how much you hate the Coach! It has been stated on this Board numerous times how Schiano coaches players up. So two things 1. Be accurate when you hate and 2. He is here for a long time so deal with it or continue to lead a miserable life waiting for his departure!
First, I agree with you on personality, to a degree.
Ash was not a nice person. He tried. But he was arrogant and condescending. At donor events, he tried to put on a happy face, but it was a struggle. He was much like an engineer or a scientist who had a great understanding of defensive strategy, but he was terrible at relating his knowledge to others or trying to win them over.
Greg, on the other hand, is a gentleman and a scholar. I did not get to meet Greg in the 1.0 era, but he and I are about the same age. He seems to have learned and grown from his younger self, and he carries himself differently. He not only knows his stuff, he is humble, friendly, a good teach and more importantly, a great mentor.
But I agree with you--sometimes nice guys finish last and assholes finish first. While I would have preferred a more offensive-minded coach over Greg, I have been on board since he was rehired, and remain on board. If he can't get us to (or near) the top of the hill, the structure will be in place for the next guy.
Two things 1. Don't tell me what to do. 2. Have substance when you rebut me, especially substance that's valid. "Coaching players up" doesn't address the point I made: he uses them poorly. You could give him 5 star players and his teams would probably fall short. He struggled against UConn ffs and lost to them even with Ray Rice in the backfield. Did he need 2 Ray Rices to beat mighty UConn?
You're correct, thanks. I feel like I've made this mistake before lol. I read about too many coaching contracts, they must get jumbled up at times lol. I have to go up and edit that.Where do you see last two years are at 50%? Every publication I’ve seen says remaining years are paid out at 76.875%
Here are the details of Greg Schiano’s historic contract to return to Rutgers | Inside the changes that got the deal done
Greg Schiano is officially Rutgers’ head football coach again. Here are the contract details.www.nj.com
Salary and years: Schiano signed an eight-year, $32 million deal, but it is not fully guaranteed. He was asking for a full guarantee when talks originally fractured. The retention bonuses from the original deal - $400,000 every two years - are also out.
Schiano will make $4 million a year. If he is fired without cause at any point in the contract, he will be paid 76.875% of his remaining salary; the payout from that point will not exceed $24.6 million. Schiano’s buyout to break the contract begins at $8 million if he leaves Rutgers prior to Dec. 1, 2020, and it decreases as the contract progresses. Schiano will have a $6 million buyout in his second season, a $4 million buyout in his third, a $3 million buyout in his fourth and a $2 million buyout in his fifth. Schiano will have a $1 million buyout for the final three years of the deal.
Nonetheless the point still stands. With 3 years left on the deal it's probably in the 9-10M range and we paid Ash 8.5M when we fired him so it's the same vicinity. Also buyouts (although recently there has been a trend change to more lump sums) are usually over the life of the contract as opposed to a lump sum as well.
