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Greg Schiano: Rutgers football is closing in on a time when fans can ‘plan their holiday trips around our bowls’

You are definitely creative in the number of ways you can let the Board know how much you hate the Coach! It has been stated on this Board numerous times how Schiano coaches players up. So two things 1. Be accurate when you hate and 2. He is here for a long time so deal with it or continue to lead a miserable life waiting for his departure!
you are creative in how you manipulate the players abilities with the total team dynamic to suit your view

Greg does coach players up but he underperforms and to suggest otherwise is an absolute joke, not even debatable! with the number of players he's had drafted and on NFL rosters, to not have a BE championship or better performance from the team screams the HC approach/coaching/system/decision making is an issue

NOT even a debate
 
Nobody was rooting against Ash from succeeding at Rutgers. But his tenure started out on a very bad foot when in his first or second press conference he basically trashed Rutgers "Traditions" and blasted the entire program. His tenure went downhill both on and off the field from there.
Your thread, was the first that I can remember really taking Ash to task. Talk about a thread that aged well, that it!
Greg, is a good coach and I think he will get us playing competitive BIG football with the resources the school and fanbase will provide. If he can create another 2006 like season, I think Rutgers recruiting goes off the charts with local talent and we can increase our success in the BIG and nationally.
Many of us have always said, that Rutgers could be an incredible football program if we can Keep local talent, increase the loyal fanbase, increase donations to the program and other metrics that will move Rutgers football higher in the BIG and national rankings.
BTW, from a recruiting standpoint Greg is already a big success. The last recruiting rankings under Ash, I think we were # 67 in national rankings, Greg has moved us to the mid 30's in recruiting rankings. Greg has moved us up 30 spots in recruiting rankings, without an on field record to match. I am willing to give greg room to get the ship moving in the right direction. Go RU!
True. .I called the ash hire as him getting us smashed before he was even hired. That , along with me coining flood the dud , the carroo arrest was bad and telling the BIG to poach USC and other Pac 12 schools have led to major board cred and legend status.
Go back and read those threads. Some posters got humbled and some are still here posting and have no idea what they are posting about
But would trade all that for the team to be good and win in the BIG. I think every rutgers fan would
 
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Two things 1. Don't tell me what to do. 2. Have substance when you rebut me, especially substance that's valid. "Coaching players up" doesn't address the point I made: he uses them poorly. You could give him 5 star players and his teams would probably fall short. He struggled against UConn ffs and lost to them even with Ray Rice in the backfield. Did he need 2 Ray Rices to beat mighty UConn?
You just proved my point, you are a baby who hates the Coach get a life! And don't come back with "Don't tell me what to do" you sound like a spoiled 8 year old!
you are creative in how you manipulate the players abilities with the total team dynamic to suit your view

Greg does coach players up but he underperforms and to suggest otherwise is an absolute joke, not even debatable! with the number of players he's had drafted and on NFL rosters, to not have a BE championship or better performance from the team screams the HC approach/coaching/system/decision making is an issue

NOT even a debate
We are not in the Big East! Coach players up but under performs. You just rant right along with your buddy. The only thing you got right was no sense debating someone who has an agenda. Have a wonderful day!!
 
you are creative in how you manipulate the players abilities with the total team dynamic to suit your view

Greg does coach players up but he underperforms and to suggest otherwise is an absolute joke, not even debatable! with the number of players he's had drafted and on NFL rosters, to not have a BE championship or better performance from the team screams the HC approach/coaching/system/decision making is an issue

NOT even a debate
Schiano’s track record exceeds everyone else that has coached at Rutgers. Had he stayed, he would have won a Big Ten Championship in 2012.

It is difficult to win games at this level and one of the most difficult things is getting college football players to play consistently. By definition, only one team has not underachieved. We call them Champions.
 
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Schiano’s track record exceeds everyone else that has coached at Rutgers. Had he stayed, he would have won a Big Ten Championship in 2012.

It is difficult to win games at this level and one of the most difficult things is getting college football players to play consistently. By definition, only one team has not underachieved. We call them Champions.
Lol you really are clueless ! Not even saban or Lombardi could have won the BIG Ten championship at rutgers in 2012!! Schiano wasn’t going to win it either !! It was impossible !

Please stop posting !
 
You just proved my point, you are a baby who hates the Coach get a life! And don't come back with "Don't tell me what to do" you sound like a spoiled 8 year old!

We are not in the Big East! Coach players up but under performs. You just rant right along with your buddy. The only thing you got right was no sense debating someone who has an agenda. Have a wonderful day!!
Lol "you are a baby who hates the coach get a life" is your idea of a response with substance. Like I said, come back when you can have an adult conversation. I can't believe how childish so many of Schiano's supporters are.
 
Lol you really are clueless ! Not even saban or Lombardi could have won the BIG Ten championship at rutgers in 2012!! Schiano wasn’t going to win it either !! It was impossible !

Please stop posting !
I obviously meant Big East Championship, which we came within one penalty of winning.
 
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Lol "you are a baby who hates the coach get a life" is your idea of a response with substance. Like I said, come back when you can have an adult conversation. I can't believe how childish so many of Schiano's supporters are.
The next time you come back with a substantial response will be your first.
 
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Some of the same fools who wanted to fire GS in 2004/2005 are back and wanting forgiveness for their collective stupidity. 95 was one of those who thought wrong, got proven wrong, and went to the corner during the period when RU football had its best run ever. Then it was, with all this talent, why aren't we top 20 every year? He must be a bad game day coach. That's the ticket to explain my earlier stupidity. Yes. He'll never leave. Has it easy here with low expectations. Leaves for Tampa. How dare he? So disloyal. I knew he was a skunk. He will fail. As most 1st time NFL coaches he was fired. Lands at Ohio State. Urban Meyer. Yet he's a "bad coach" who doesn't know what he's doing. Tenn hires him and then buckles to the mob. Amazingly, he's available to RU. Much more resources available to pay coaches but brutal division with Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State. It's a process children. Get over yourselves. You were dead wrong during the 1st regime. You are wrong now. Not the first time I'm sure. Now go sit in the corner.
 
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The next time you come back with a substantial response will be your first.
Lol look in the mirror Mr. "I'm putting ________ on upset alert." Your ability to analyze football and make predictions is childish garbage.
 
Big east and big ten are a lot different
Duh. Wow, you are a smart guy. Who knew? Duh. You do realize that RU has many more resources available due to our B1G dividend, right? Or are you asleep? It won't happen overnight like a child would wish but we are taking the necessary steps. Thanks again for enlightening us. You dope.
 
Duh. Wow, you are a smart guy. Who knew? Duh. You do realize that RU has many more resources available due to our B1G dividend, right? Or are you asleep? It won't happen overnight like a child would wish but we are taking the necessary steps. Thanks again for enlightening us. You dope.
Dope ? I am a board legend

Was just pointing out to the guy that it was impossible for schiano to win big ten title at rutgers in 2012
 
Some of the same fools who wanted to fire GS in 2004/2005 are back and wanting forgiveness for their collective stupidity. 95 was one of those who thought wrong, got proven wrong, and went to the corner during the period when RU football had its best run ever. Then it was, with all this talent, why aren't we top 20 every year? He must be a bad game day coach. That's the ticket to explain my earlier stupidity. Yes. He'll never leave. Has it easy here with low expectations. Leaves for Tampa. How dare he? So disloyal. I knew he was a skunk. He will fail. As most 1st time NFL coaches he was fired. Lands at Ohio State. Urban Meyer. Yet he's a "bad coach" who doesn't know what he's doing. Tenn hires him and then buckles to the mob. Amazingly, he's available to RU. Much more resources available to pay coaches but brutal division with Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State. It's a process children. Get over yourselves. You were dead wrong during the 1st regime. You are wrong know. Not the first time I'm sure. Now go sit in the corner.
Schiano supporters are so angry. Maybe the real reason is because he's disappointed you and frustrated you and fallen short of expectations. Don't even try to tell me he hasn't disappointed you.
 
Delusional much? While we all had hope that Ash would work out, it became crystal clear that he was not the answer based on recruiting. Just brutal. Overmatched. RU rightly moved on. Is GS the best coach to maximize RU chances of success? Unknowable. But he took us from a very bad place to respectability before. He runs it clean. He puts players into the pros. Can he consistently beat Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State? That's a tall order. What coach can do that? That will come here? I'm confident on middle of the B1G with better bowls than we ever had. I'm ok with that. Mediocrity? Maybe by some definitions.
 
Schiano supporters are so angry. Maybe the real reason is because he's disappointed you and frustrated you and fallen short of expectations. Don't even try to tell me he hasn't disappointed you.
Of course the last 2 seasons were disappointing. So was losing to Buffalo and Villanova. The objective is to build. He accomplished that once. I'd define angry as calling for failure before the 1st snap. That's angry and a loser mentality. Let's hire Lombardi!
 
Would anyone be surprised in two years if super-boosters at Maryland and Indiana quietly donate to RU to curry favor and keep Schiano employed ?

After all, he’s the best thing to happen to Maryland football since Randy White.
 
Some of the same fools who wanted to fire GS in 2004/2005 are back and wanting forgiveness for their collective stupidity. 95 was one of those who thought wrong, got proven wrong, and went to the corner during the period when RU football had its best run ever. Then it was, with all this talent, why aren't we top 20 every year? He must be a bad game day coach. That's the ticket to explain my earlier stupidity. Yes. He'll never leave. Has it easy here with low expectations. Leaves for Tampa. How dare he? So disloyal. I knew he was a skunk. He will fail. As most 1st time NFL coaches he was fired. Lands at Ohio State. Urban Meyer. Yet he's a "bad coach" who doesn't know what he's doing. Tenn hires him and then buckles to the mob. Amazingly, he's available to RU. Much more resources available to pay coaches but brutal division with Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State. It's a process children. Get over yourselves. You were dead wrong during the 1st regime. You are wrong know. Not the first time I'm sure. Now go sit in the corner.
this is pretty much how it went down with the greg haters. I know, I was there for it. Like any human Greg has his flaws but overall in the modern Rutgers football Era, he is the only coach who has been at the very minimum been able to get RU to play competent football and the only coach to get RU to play competitive football. My opinion is that Greg gets to finish his signed contract term and then I will reevaluate where the program is.
 
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let’s take it easy on him…after all, he hasn’t lost many 2* recruits to FCS teams. Once those guys verbal they stick.
 
I’m glad you remembered my posts. I can’t remember anything you’ve posted that wasn’t bloviating nonsense.
Same here. The difference is I'm not an attention wh*re screaming look at me like you are. However, you must remember my posts or you wouldn't constantly attack me for them.
 
Of course the last 2 seasons were disappointing. So was losing to Buffalo and Villanova. The objective is to build. He accomplished that once. I'd define angry as calling for failure before the 1st snap. That's angry and a loser mentality. Let's hire Lombardi!
So then, maybe, critics have a point. Maybe he'll turn it around, maybe he won't. But it's certainly not out of line to be critical of a coach who has so far underwhelmed, and pretty substantially.
 
Same here. The difference is I'm not an attention wh*re screaming look at me like you are. However, you must remember my posts or you wouldn't constantly attack me for them.
Don’t bother, BRG. You’re not the national laughingstock. He is, and increasingly so each new day.
 
Same here. The difference is I'm not an attention wh*re screaming look at me like you are. However, you must remember my posts or you wouldn't constantly attack me for them.
seems like insulting those you can ignore makes you the same as what you call them..
Don't like (who you claim are ) "attention wh*re screaming look at me",
just ignore them if they don't deserve attention.
If not you might be an "n attention wh*re screaming look at me" with your many posts calling that poster insulting names because you don't like what was posted.

Try a l;ittle kindness towards those who are not offended and ignor that poster so those that don't mind what he posts don't have to put up with your constant whining about him.
If you don't want to ignore him, like I don't want to ignore you, just reply, not with petty insults, with point by point corrections to what you feel he's wrong about and constructive criticism when replying to his overly optimistic posts.

Be nice, be respectful and make your point that way.
 
So then, maybe, critics have a point. Maybe he'll turn it around, maybe he won't. But it's certainly not out of line to be critical of a coach who has so far underwhelmed, and pretty substantially.
Fair. Was I happy last season? Emphatic no! That was brutal offense to watch.
 
seems like insulting those you can ignore makes you the same as what you call them..
Don't like (who you claim are ) "attention wh*re screaming look at me",
just ignore them if they don't deserve attention.
If not you might be an "n attention wh*re screaming look at me" with your many posts calling that poster insulting names because you don't like what was posted.

Try a l;ittle kindness towards those who are not offended and ignor that poster so those that don't mind what he posts don't have to put up with your constant whining about him.
If you don't want to ignore him, like I don't want to ignore you, just reply, not with petty insults, with point by point corrections to what you feel he's wrong about and constructive criticism when replying to his overly optimistic posts.

Be nice, be respectful and make your point that way.
I don't attack people first but I will defend myself when being attacked for expressing my opinion about the coach. Unlike lots of his supporters, who freely attack and blame other fans, the athletic department, the administration, the media and even players sometimes--everyone BUT the head coach--I only go after the coach, the person most responsible for success and failure and the most highly paid.

This is the MO of Schiano's supporters: don't rebut their criticisms, just attack the critics.
 
So then, maybe, critics have a point. Maybe he'll turn it around, maybe he won't. But it's certainly not out of line to be critical of a coach who has so far underwhelmed, and pretty substantially.
5-7 reg season his second year, with a bowl game ( even if lower standards) is not underwhelming at all when you look at the shape of the program he took over.
4-8 his third year did underwhelm and the program seemed to have regressed.
But we shouldn't expect quick results , but can demand the team show it has improved enough to be more competitive against the better programs, dominate the weak ones and can be looked upon as having a good chance to win against middle of pack type P-5 programs.
 
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5-7 reg season his second year, with a bowl game ( even if lower standards) is not underwhelming at all when you look at the shape of the program he took over.
4-8 his third year did underwhelm and the program seemed to have regressed.
But we shouldn't expect quick results , but can demand the team show it has improved enough to be more competitive against the better programs, dominate the weak ones and can be looked upon as having a good chance to win against middle of pack type P-5 programs.
We can agree to disagree. I don't think 3 years is too much at all to see substantial improvement.
 
We can agree to disagree. I don't think 3 years is too much at all to see substantial improvement.

Because you don’t know what you’re talking about. It takes roughly four to five years alone to catch up from a Strength and Conditioning perspective, and five years to turn over the roster, especially needed because the previous coach struggled at recruiting.

At least you’re proud to proclaim your ignorance, so i give you that. Anyone who expected Rutgers to be turned around in three years, and to be Big Ten competitive, is quite frankly a moron. It shows that you don’t understand the program’s constraints.
 
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Because you don’t know what you’re talking about. It takes roughly four to five years alone to catch up from a Strength and Conditioning perspective, and five years to turn over the roster, especially needed because the previous coach struggled at recruiting.

At least you’re proud to proclaim your ignorance, so i give you that. Anyone who expected Rutgers to be turned around in three years, and to be Big Ten competitive, is quite frankly a moron. It shows that you don’t understand the program’s constraints.
Lol I don't know what I'm talking about yet your success rate with predictions is 0%. And you're basing everything now on...predictions. I'm not the one who gets mocked regularly on boards even by fans from other teams. You're legendary as a buffoon. A normal person would back off.
 
I don't attack people first but I will defend myself when being attacked for expressing my opinion about the coach. Unlike lots of his supporters, who freely attack and blame other fans, the athletic department, the administration, the media and even players sometimes--everyone BUT the head coach--I only go after the coach, the person most responsible for success and failure and the most highly paid.

This is the MO of Schiano's supporters: don't rebut their criticisms, just attack the critics.
Nobody is saying that you cannot give fair criticism of the coach. What is not fair, is your criticism is way over the top. Greg, In my humble opinion is moving the program in the right direction. I will wait to see the results over the next few years. If there is no improvement then I will join you in your crticisms but will wait to see what the results are first. Fair?
 
Its funny seeing people say "stop expecting so much. It takes time. Your being unreasonable" when it was them proposing unreasonable expectations to get HC Schiano hired.
I won't cite the poster specifically (they are very active in this thread) but they said back in 2019:

"We will be a middle of the pack B1G team within 4 years. Not middle of the pack East Division, middle of the pack overall. That is a huge, huge improvement over where we stand and the Stadium will be full."

Checks calendar - this is year 4. So I guess 8 wins should be expected?

@Knight Shift - this is what I remember from then. HC Schiano WAS the shortcut. None of this "it'll take Schiano 6 years" that people are saying now. Schiano was the only way to avoid a 6 year rebuild. Allegedly.
 
Lol I don't know what I'm talking about yet your success rate with predictions is 0%. And you're basing everything now on...predictions. I'm not the one who gets mocked regularly on boards even by fans from other teams. You're legendary as a buffoon. A normal person would back off.
Your percentage of intelligent posts is 0%, so you’re not in position to judge.
 
It’s put up or shut up time
Year 4
Greg’s guys
Doable schedule
New OC
All off season to prepare
The time to win & go bowling on a regular basis is now
Not next year
Not in 2028
Now
 
Its funny seeing people say "stop expecting so much. It takes time. Your being unreasonable" when it was them proposing unreasonable expectations to get HC Schiano hired.
I won't cite the poster specifically (they are very active in this thread) but they said back in 2019:

"We will be a middle of the pack B1G team within 4 years. Not middle of the pack East Division, middle of the pack overall. That is a huge, huge improvement over where we stand and the Stadium will be full."

Checks calendar - this is year 4. So I guess 8 wins should be expected?

@Knight Shift - this is what I remember from then. HC Schiano WAS the shortcut. None of this "it'll take Schiano 6 years" that people are saying now. Schiano was the only way to avoid a 6 year rebuild. Allegedly.
Revisionist history. 4 years was never in the cards. At the minimum, this was a five year turnaround, but now it looks like it will be year 6 to be where we want to be, from a talent level perspective.
 
It’s put up or shut up time
Year 4
Greg’s guys
Doable schedule
New OC
All off season to prepare
The time to win & go bowling on a regular basis is now
Not next year
Not in 2028
Now
BS. No it’s not. The football Fieldhouse wasn’t built and NIL support wasn’t provided, so adequate resources weren’t available to recruit the needed talent.

Thus, There may not be enough talent on the offensive side of the ball. Talent is what wins games in the Big Ten, can’t win with smoke and mirrors in the Big Ten.
 
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