Greg Schiano: Rutgers football is closing in on a time when fans can ‘plan their holiday trips around our bowls’

[brgRC90]

Nobody is saying that you cannot give fair criticism of the coach. What is not fair, is your criticism is way over the top. Greg, In my humble opinion is moving the program in the right direction. I will wait to see the results over the next few years. If there is no improvement then I will join you in your crticisms but will wait to see what the results are first. Fair?

My criticism aren't over the top. That's an excuse to bash critics. So far, play has been dismal. That's undeniable. I personally have little confidence he'll ever do much but that's a different issue. Over the top is endless predictions of success from people who are wrong every year.

 

[patk89]

It’s put up or shut up time
Year 4
Greg’s guys
Doable schedule
New OC
All off season to prepare
The time to win & go bowling on a regular basis is now
Not next year
Not in 2028
Now

Not sure where you get this. Mich/Ohio State/Penn State top 10 teams. @ #19 Wisky. @ #25 Iowa. That's 5 top 25 teams of which 3 are top 10. All other B1G games are toss ups. Going 6-6 given our out of division schedule would be a huge W.

2023 Rutgers Football Schedule​
Sunday Sep. 3		Northwestern Wildcats SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	12:00pm ETCBS/Paramount+	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 9		Temple Owls SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	7:30pm ETBTN	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 16		Virginia Tech Hokies SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	3:30pm ETBTN	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 23		at 2 Michigan Wolverines Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 30		Wagner Seahawks SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 7		at 19 Wisconsin Badgers Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI	12 or 3:30/4pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 14		Michigan State Spartans (HC) SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 21		at Indiana Hoosiers Memorial Stadium, Bloomington, IN	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 28		OFF
Saturday Nov. 4		3 Ohio State Buckeyes SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 11		at 25 Iowa Hawkeyes Kinnick Stadium, Iowa City, IA	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 18		at 7 Penn State Nittany Lions Beaver Stadium, University Park, PA	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 25		Maryland Terrapins SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Dec. 2		Big Ten Championship Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, IN	8:00pm ET FOX	Buy Tickets

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[MADHAT1]

Its funny seeing people say "stop expecting so much. It takes time. Your being unreasonable" when it was them proposing unreasonable expectations to get HC Schiano hired.
I won't cite the poster specifically (they are very active in this thread) but they said back in 2019:

"We will be a middle of the pack B1G team within 4 years. Not middle of the pack East Division, middle of the pack overall. That is a huge, huge improvement over where we stand and the Stadium will be full."

Checks calendar - this is year 4. So I guess 8 wins should be expected?

@Knight Shift - this is what I remember from then. HC Schiano WAS the shortcut. None of this "it'll take Schiano 6 years" that people are saying now. Schiano was the only way to avoid a 6 year rebuild. Allegedly.

shouldn't be a 6 year rebuild, but Schiano probably was the only violable canidate to start the rebuild because no better candidate would come.
with what RU was offering in salary and lenfgth of contract and the type of support they felt Rutgers would give them.
Schiano almost didn't take the position , the fans forced Hobbs hand and Schiano had to drop some of his demands.

Year 4 must show improvement and year 5 a bowl bid, or year 6 bring in new blood.
But Rutgers must be willing to pay full price to do so and that wasn't the case when Schiano was negotiating with Hobbs when Rutgers was looking for Ash's replacement.

Bret Bielema was mention as someone who was interested, but he was fighting Arkansas ovr buyout money and only had to act interested but demanding full support that he knew wasn't coming..

Schiano had nowhere else to go ,but he almost didn't come because he felt Rutgers wouldn't do what it takes, fan pressure made Rutgers promised more support, nowhere else to go lessened Greg's demands

It takes time to build a good program, instant gratification won't be the case
and the bowl game in Greg's second year was because of academics, but the team did have the type of record (5-7) that qualified them
That was a vast improvement over what the previous regime accomplished .
So I feel despite last year's regression (4-8) Greg has a chance to make Rutgers more competitive in his 4th year and start gaining confidence in the program from the RU fanbase.
But year 6 will be the time a new regime starts if year 4 and 5 don't earn that confidence

 

[NickRU714]

Revisionist history. 4 years was never in the cards. At the minimum, this was a five year turnaround, but now it looks like it will be year 6 to be where we want to be, from a talent level perspective.

Revisionist history?
You realize your calling a direct quote "revisionist history".
Want a direct link to the post?

It wasn't you.
You about the only one who repeatedly said it was a 5-6 year rebuild with HC Schiano.

 

[RUBOB72]

My criticism aren't over the top. That's an excuse to bash critics. So far, play has been dismal. That's undeniable. I personally have little confidence he'll ever do much but that's a different issue. Over the top is endless predictions of success from people who are wrong every year.

He still doesn’t get it about how the fan base visualizes things especially in year 4 which actually is year 2-3. His narcissistic problem is he’s ok criticizing other fans supporting Rutgers football under Schiano . He religiously plays the victim , seems his group of 6-8 posters always do. None of us like losing. None of us like some of the former play calling and mistakes which occur . The majority however are damn tired of this type of one sided evaluation of something most could never do.

 

[rutgersal]

Revisionist history?
You realize your calling a direct quote "revisionist history".
Want a direct link to the post?

It wasn't you.
You about the only one who repeatedly said it was a 5-6 year rebuild with HC Schiano.

Direct quote from whom

 

[NickRU714]

Direct quote from whom

Since you asked, I'll post the link:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/t...eds-board-approval.179995/page-2#post-4167996



Here another vocal advocate in the thread about giving HC Schiano the time he needs and stop rushing things.

"All In and believe Schiano will get us to a New Years Day Bowl game by year 4-5"

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/anyone-not-onboard-with-schiano.182772/#post-4227817

But tell me about revisionist history.

 

[MoreCowbellRU]

Delusional much? While we all had hope that Ash would work out, it became crystal clear that he was not the answer based on recruiting. Just brutal. Overmatched. RU rightly moved on. Is GS the best coach to maximize RU chances of success? Unknowable. But he took us from a very bad place to respectability before. He runs it clean. He puts players into the pros. Can he consistently beat Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State? That's a tall order. What coach can do that? That will come here? I'm confident on middle of the B1G with better bowls than we ever had. I'm ok with that. Mediocrity? Maybe by some definitions.

Many folks here are oblivious to the fact if we were given the entire roster and coaching staff of a top 10 team, our odds of winning against the top 3-4 teams in the B1G would be 50/50 at best.

Top third of the B1G standings will be a monumental achievement and I'll be proud as hell of the team when we get there. As well as the development of guys I'll root for every week in the NFL.

Some of the unrealistic expectations professed here are just mind boggling.

 

[brgRC90]

Many folks here are oblivious to the fact if we were given the entire roster and coaching staff of a top 10 team, our odds of winning against the top 3-4 teams in the B1G would be 50/50 at best.

Top third of the B1G standings will be a monumental achievement and I'll be proud as hell of the team when we get there. As well as the development of guys I'll root for every week in the NFL.

Some of the unrealistic expectations professed here are just mind boggling.

More straw man arguing. I don't see ONE SINGLE poster talking about New Year's Day bowls or Top 10 teams/classes or beating Ohio State et al except Schiano defenders. His critics talk about things like not getting blown out by Maryland at the end of a season or shut out by Minnesota, or simply having a productive and entertaining offense--and not just after 5 or 6 years, pretty realistic demands to get to at least mediocrity in a 3 years. Schiano Defenders are really in cuckoo land seeing things that aren't there.

 

[NickRU714]

Many folks here are oblivious to the fact if we were given the entire roster and coaching staff of a top 10 team, our odds of winning against the top 3-4 teams in the B1G would be 50/50 at best.

Top third of the B1G standings will be a monumental achievement and I'll be proud as hell of the team when we get there. As well as the development of guys I'll root for every week in the NFL.

Some of the unrealistic expectations professed here are just mind boggling.

Unrealistic expectations like middle tier Big Ten or New Years Day Bowl by now?
Agreed. Those people should be considered crazy for those expectations. They shouldn't be able to comment on the state of program.

The "unreasonable expectations" started with the most ardent HC Schiano supporters. Who knew those people had such bad evaluation skills. But I'm sure they are correct now.

 

[RUBOB72]

More straw man arguing. I don't see ONE SINGLE poster talking about New Year's Day bowls or Top 10 teams/classes or beating Ohio State et al except Schiano defenders. His critics talk about things like not getting blown out by Maryland at the end of a season or shut out by Minnesota, or simply having a productive and entertaining offense--and not just after 5 or 6 years, pretty realistic demands to get to at least mediocrity in a 3 years. Schiano Defenders are really in cuckoo land seeing things that aren't there.

So last year in your world it’s is number 3 . ok we’ll go with that take. He loses both starting QB’s not counting a 3rd Vedral. We are hit with an inordinate number of injures and are suiting up 66 scholarship players weekly. And were straw men in your mind ? 👍🏻🤡

 

[RUTGERS95]

Schiano’s track record exceeds everyone else that has coached at Rutgers. Had he stayed, he would have won a Big Ten Championship in 2012.

It is difficult to win games at this level and one of the most difficult things is getting college football players to play consistently. By definition, only one team has not underachieved. We call them Champions.

lol ok if you want to believe that

I got news for you, Graber would do a much better job with all that Greg has been given

 

[JayDogSmooth]

Not sure where you get this. Mich/Ohio State/Penn State top 10 teams. @ #19 Wisky. @ #25 Iowa. That's 5 top 25 teams of which 3 are top 10. All other B1G games are toss ups. Going 6-6 given our out of division schedule would be a huge W.

2023 Rutgers Football Schedule​
Sunday Sep. 3		Northwestern Wildcats SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	12:00pm ETCBS/Paramount+	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 9		Temple Owls SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	7:30pm ETBTN	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 16		Virginia Tech Hokies SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	3:30pm ETBTN	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 23		at 2 Michigan Wolverines Michigan Stadium, Ann Arbor, MI	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Sep. 30		Wagner Seahawks SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 7		at 19 Wisconsin Badgers Camp Randall Stadium, Madison, WI	12 or 3:30/4pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 14		Michigan State Spartans (HC) SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 21		at Indiana Hoosiers Memorial Stadium, Bloomington, IN	12:00pm ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Oct. 28		OFF
Saturday Nov. 4		3 Ohio State Buckeyes SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 11		at 25 Iowa Hawkeyes Kinnick Stadium, Iowa City, IA	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 18		at 7 Penn State Nittany Lions Beaver Stadium, University Park, PA	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Nov. 25		Maryland Terrapins SHI Stadium, Piscataway, NJ	Time TBA ETTV TBA	Buy Tickets
Saturday Dec. 2		Big Ten Championship Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, IN	8:00pm ET FOX	Buy Tickets

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6-6
That’s not asking a lot

 

[JayDogSmooth]

BS. No it’s not. The football Fieldhouse wasn’t built and NIL support wasn’t provided, so adequate resources weren’t available to recruit the needed talent.

Thus, There may not be enough talent on the offensive side of the ball. Talent is what wins games in the Big Ten, can’t win with smoke and mirrors in the Big Ten.

6-6 is all I’m asking Al
Not 12-0

 

[RUTGERS95]

Some of the same fools who wanted to fire GS in 2004/2005 are back and wanting forgiveness for their collective stupidity. 95 was one of those who thought wrong, got proven wrong, and went to the corner during the period when RU football had its best run ever. Then it was, with all this talent, why aren't we top 20 every year? He must be a bad game day coach. That's the ticket to explain my earlier stupidity. Yes. He'll never leave. Has it easy here with low expectations. Leaves for Tampa. How dare he? So disloyal. I knew he was a skunk. He will fail. As most 1st time NFL coaches he was fired. Lands at Ohio State. Urban Meyer. Yet he's a "bad coach" who doesn't know what he's doing. Tenn hires him and then buckles to the mob. Amazingly, he's available to RU. Much more resources available to pay coaches but brutal division with Ohio State, Mich, and Penn State. It's a process children. Get over yourselves. You were dead wrong during the 1st regime. You are wrong now. Not the first time I'm sure. Now go sit in the corner.

lololol try again sport

always here, even played golf with the man in 06 and 09

as for leaving for Tampa, he fked this program hard. I've already posted on how and what. You want to suckle at hi teet then go ahead but the man is far from a good coach. He'd make a good AD, but he sucks as a coach

 

[RUTGERS95]

6-6
That’s not asking a lot

not at all but this board is full of excuses and people who are ok with mediocrity. You want to know why we suck, look at the fans

 

[RUBOB72]

Graber’s teams did not play D at all. Offense was so so and most importantly we weren’t playing against teams as good as this B1G conference.

 

[RUBOB72]

And yet he has been a consistent hire at Miami, Rutgers. Ohio State, Tampa Bay s d Rutgers again and he sucks. You know how F’ing dumb you are?😊😎🤡

 

[NickRU714]

So last year in your world it’s is number 3 . ok we’ll go with that take. He loses both starting QB’s not counting a 3rd Vedral. We are hit with an inordinate number of injures and are suiting up 66 scholarship players weekly. And were straw men in your mind ? 👍🏻🤡

If 2020 doesn't count as Year 1, does that mean we shouldn't expect New Years Day Bowl until 2024 (revised Year 4)?
Just want to make the "unreasonable expectations" are lined up correctly.
Don't want to expect a New Years Bowl this year prematurely.

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/anyone-not-onboard-with-schiano.182772/#post-4227817

"All In and believe Schiano will get us to a New Years Day Bowl game by year 4-5"

 

[RUBOB72]

You just can’t admit how idiotic you sound.

 

[RUTGERS95]

Graber’s teams did not play D at all. Offense was so so and most importantly we weren’t playing against teams as good as this B1G conference.

they all either failed out, had academic issues or couldn't play for a variety of reasons due to structural support and academic rigors at the time. They could play, highly recruited players but there were a LOT of issues. Not a single one wasn't recruited by bigger programs but most were academic issues to start with

Graber could recruit, he could coach, and his practices were excellent

Graber would smoke Greg 6 ways to Sunday and then have Greg licking his toes when done.

 

[RUTGERS95]

And yet he has been a consistent hire at Miami, Rutgers. Ohio State, Tampa Bay s d Rutgers again and he sucks. You know how F’ing dumb you are?😊😎🤡

fired at Tampa in record time
OSU went down with him there, wasn't retained, D immediately improved when gone
Tenn jumped back
Miami rescinded and backed off

Only Rutgers fan love the guy

 

[Brisket and Bourbon]

Lol at using Tampa and buckeye time as GS props… 🤭🤣

 

[rutgersal]

lol ok if you want to believe that

I got news for you, Graber would do a much better job with all that Greg has been given

I got news for you. Every resource that Schiano received, he fought for, starting with his interview with Big Bob. Greg is 100x the head coach that oug (Where’s the ‘D’) Graber was, and Doug could not sell the program as well as Greg.

Graber recruited well in the beginning but was unable to maintain discipline, and his post ‘92 teams underachieved, possibly due to an insufficient work ethic, and also fell victim to academic attrition, which hurt depth. Many of his players lived in my Busch Suite, so I got to know a good number of them. Once recruiting fell off, Doug was dead in the water.

Grabers biggest achievement was getting new Rutgers Stadium built, and for that he deserves a lot of credit.

 

[e5fdny]

I said all along I would consider 2.0 as a success if we make a LEGIT appearance at a NYD game. Preferable a NYD 6, but there are others.

And with the way the B1G spreads it around this isn't a huge leap. Let's see what happens.

 

[NickRU714]

You just can’t admit how idiotic you sound.

Me?
Surely you didn't mean my post above your post (you didn't quote anyone and I was directly before you).

I was merely quoting a very reputable and reliable evaluator about when to expect a New Years Day Bowl.
Take it up with that guy if you think "Schiano will get us to a New Years Day Bowl game by year 4-5" is unreasonable.

 

[RUTGERS95]

I got news for you. Every resource that Schiano received, he fought for, starting with his interview with Big Bob. Greg is 100x the head coach that oug (Where’s the ‘D’) Graber was, and Doug could not sell the program as well as Greg.

Graber recruited well in the beginning but was unable to maintain discipline, and his post ‘92 teams underachieved, possibly due to an insufficient work ethic, and also fell victim to academic attrition, which hurt depth. Many of his players lived in my Busch Suite, so I got to know a good number of them. Once recruiting fell off, Doug was dead in the water.

Grabers biggest achievement was getting new Rutgers Stadium built, and for that he deserves a lot of credit.

wrong again, Bob understood and loved the state so much he wanted a flagship program. Greg was lucky to Bob

Greg isn't half the coach Graber was, not even close

 

[RUTGERS95]

Lol at using Tampa and buckeye time as GS props… 🤭🤣

ha I know right

OSU couldn't wait to get rid of him! Don't even need to mention TN or Tampa

 

[Section124]

My god the Schiano fan boys are killing me in this thread. I like Greg but didn't really want him back. However I support him 100% and my wallet says so. My reasons for not wanting him back were:

1) Never won a Big East title (in a watered down conference)
2) Best season ever finished 3rd
3) Outside of Louisville and USF, what were his signature wins in 1.0?
4) Always choked when it mattered (ex. at UCONN)
5) Has his fingerprints all over a conservative offense
6) Even post 2006, the 2008 start still p*sses me off

I thought he learned from 1.0 and would bring a modern offense. He hasn't. Will be rooting for him and this team big time but just don't see how he can be successful in this league. We all know what he is. Some just think he is better than he is.

 

[rutgersal]

My god the Schiano fan boys are killing me in this thread. I like Greg but didn't really want him back. However I support him 100% and my wallet says so. My reasons for not wanting him back were:

1) Never won a Big East title (in a watered down conference)
2) Best season ever finished 3rd
3) Outside of Louisville and USF, what were his signature wins in 1.0?
4) Always choked when it mattered (ex. at UCONN)
5) Has his fingerprints all over a conservative offense
6) Even post 2006, the 2008 start still p*sses me off

I thought he learned from 1.0 and would bring a modern offense. He hasn't. Will be rooting for him and this team big time but just don't see how he can be successful in this league. We all know what he is. Some just think he is better than he is.

The program doesn’t have the resources to attract the best offensive players, which is what is needed to successfully execute a modern offense. We need a Football Fieldhouse and NIL support to compete for the best players.

We are not beating out Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State or USC for kids. So we are playing a style which maximizes our chances for success. We are going to mostly run the ball, just like Wisconsin and Iowa.

 

[brgRC90]

And yet he has been a consistent hire at Miami, Rutgers. Ohio State, Tampa Bay s d Rutgers again and he sucks. You know how F’ing dumb you are?😊😎🤡

As DC. The one place among those he was HC he bombed out badly. He should be a DC.

 

[Knight Shift]

Since you asked, I'll post the link:
https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/pressure-put-back-on-rutgers-‘it’s-up-to-rutgers’-greg-schiano-deal-close-but-needs-board-approval.179995/page-2#post-4167996



Here another vocal advocate in the thread about giving HC Schiano the time he needs and stop rushing things.

"All In and believe Schiano will get us to a New Years Day Bowl game by year 4-5"

https://rutgers.forums.rivals.com/threads/anyone-not-onboard-with-schiano.182772/#post-4227817

But tell me about revisionist history.

Let's define a "middle of the pack B1G team" in year 4, shall we? Does a definition exist, if not here's a crack at it.

Northwestern: Win (don't care about the margin)
Michigan: Lose by less than 75 😂 -Seriously- keep it within 20 points?
Wisconsin: competitive game, win by a hair, or lose by less than 10 points?
Michigan State: Upset win, or lose by less than 7 points?
Indiana: smack the crap out of them. Win by 14 or more points?
Ohio State: same as Michigan. Keep within 20 points?
Iowa: Lose, but keep within 10 points?
Penn State: Lose, but keep within 17 points?
Maryland: Upset win, or lose by less than 7 points?

I just worked that out, but even if we upset Michigan State and Maryland, that puts RU at 4-5. I'd say that is middle of the pack.
3-6? Not really, unless the losses are very close.

Last year, would say that Wisconsin was middle of the pack at 4-5 and 7-6 overall. Maryland too at 4-5/8-5.

2021: PSU at 4-5/7-6, perhaps Maryland at 3-6/7-6? But they got hammered by Iowa, Ohio State and Michigan. Illini at 4-5/5-7? Lost by 3 points to Maryland, 4 points to Purdue, beat Penn State in 9OT, beat Minnesota, 10 point lost to Iowa, Beat NW.

Seems 4-5 is the floor for middle of the pack.
Soooo, RU needs to beat 4 of the following, and best chances in order:

Northwestern
Indiana
Michigan State
Wisconsin or Maryland
Iowa

Need to pull upsets against 2 of Michigan State, Wisconsin, Maryland and Iowa.

 

[JayDogSmooth]

He’s paid to win
It’s year 4

He’s not getting smoked by Maryland bc we don’t have a field house or small NIL $

This isn’t the old big east - were in a league where results are expected

6-6 and bowling is the expectation

Win Wagner, NW, VT, Temple and 2 others

Don’t get completely embarrassed vs Nitts, bucks and Michigan

 

[RUTGERS95]

He’s paid to win
It’s year 4

He’s not getting smoked by Maryland bc we don’t have a field house or small NIL $

This isn’t the old big east - were in a league where results are expected

6-6 and bowling is the expectation

Win Wagner, NW, VT, Temple and 2 others

Don’t get completely embarrassed vs Nitts, bucks and Michigan

in a nutshell

 

[Section124]

The program doesn’t have the resources to attract the best offensive players, which is what is needed to successfully execute a modern offense. We need a Football Fieldhouse and NIL support to compete for the best players.

We are not beating out Ohio State, Oregon, Michigan, Penn State or USC for kids. So we are playing a style which maximizes our chances for success. We are going to mostly run the ball, just like Wisconsin and Iowa.

Al,

With all due respect, I see MAC teams that have a modern offense.

 

[rutgersal]

wrong again, Bob understood and loved the state so much he wanted a flagship program. Greg was lucky to Bob

Greg isn't half the coach Graber was, not even close

I don’t know what any of this means. By the time Graber was fired, there was no talent in the program and there was no defense. Your selective memory doesn’t change this.

After going 7-4, in ‘92, Grabers teams got progressively worse, till he was fired. And he left Terry Shea a program that was bereft of talent.

Schiano’s teams gradually got better, till they peaked in 2006. We might not have had National Championship caliber players, but we at least had a National Championship culture, which is why Schiano sent many more players to the NFL, and Schiano I lasted 11 years, before he quit to take an NFL opportunity.

 

[e5fdny]

Schiano’s teams gradually got better, till they peaked in 2006. We might not have had National Championship caliber players, but we at least had a National Championship culture, which is why Schiano sent many more players to the NFL, and Schiano I lasted 11 years, before he quit to take an NFL opportunity.

With all that Sunday talent shouldn’t the results have been a little better on Saturday?

 

[RUTGERS95]

I don’t know what any of this means. By the time Graber was fired, there was no talent in the program and there was no defense. Your selective memory doesn’t change this.

After going 7-4, in ‘92, Grabers teams got progressively worse, till he was fired. And he left Terry Shea a program that was bereft of talent.

Schiano’s teams gradually got better, till they peaked in 2006. We might not have had National Championship caliber players, but we at least had a National Championship culture, which is why Schiano sent many more players to the NFL, and Schiano I lasted 11 years, before he quit to take an NFL opportunity.

I explained Grabers' issues earlier. STop looking on wikipedia, I was there lock step and barrel

 

[rutgersguy1]

Just one writer's prediction for the B10 this year, Mandel in the Athletic.

Michigan 8-1/11-1
PSU 8-1/11-1
OSU 7-2/10-2
Maryland 6-3/9-3
MSU 4-5/6-6
RU 2-7/5-7
IU 0-9/2-10

Wisconsin 7-2/9-3
Iowa 6-3/9-3
Illinois 5-4/7-5
Minn 4-5/6-6
Neb 3-6/5-7
Purdue 3-6/5-7
NW 0-9/2-10

 

[rutgersal]

I explained Grabers' issues earlier. STop looking on wikipedia, I was there lock step and barrel

I was there too. His recruiting got progressively worse, and his team lost too many people to academics, and you can’t explain that away. Lastly, His ‘92 team lost to 1-7 Cincinnati, so to paint him as some type of coaching savant is 8 jokes in one.

Lastly, Schiano negotiated for the academic support which was implemented.