OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread

[yesrutgers01]

Season was so bad. What are you talking about? In contention almost to end. Bad is when I stop paying attention in August.

So true...now, last season was very bad...thanks to deGrom we were stuck watching every 5 games.
This year, after the AS break- Mets were more must watch than the Yankees. Not to take away from them...great year- a guy that will get MVP votes and the story of all the call ups that did so well.
But in the 2nd half, we had drama, a race until the end, Rookie of the year, HRs, a new star in McNeil, deGrom coming back from nowhere to most likely go back to back CY...
I do wish we ended with the Yankees W/Lbrecord but this ended up being a great season to watch unfold and get excited for next year.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Season was so bad. What are you talking about? In contention almost to end. Bad is when I stop paying attention in August.

What do you expect an A-H to say. He'll be pissed enough on October 10th,lol

 

[Kbee3]

What do you expect an A-H to say. He'll be pissed enough on October 10th,lol

I like this Yankees team's chances. I don't like the Mets chances at all.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Interesting game script last night. Just two days earlier, Mickey had said that Lugo would be limited to one inning, and that he'd try to get save opportunities for Diaz and Familia. He did neither. Why? Is he desperately trying to get every possible remaining win, to save his job?

Sounds crazy, but it calls to mind something I recall reading from a reputable reporter (forget who). Back in 2002, after Mets had been eliminated, Fred told manager Bobby Valentine to manage the final week as if it were the World Series. Valentine responded OK, then I want my best possible roster. There's a 19 year old kid in AA named Jose Reyes who I want to bring up. Fred said no. Valentine went 1-6 in the final week, and was immediately fired.

So with Fred and Jeff, who knows? Maybe these final games are more important than we realize.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

I like this Yankees team's chances. I don't like the Mets chances at all.

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the young "core" of Mets everyday players has more rings than the new core 4 Yankee fans boast about? We're in year #3 of multiple WS Championships in 5 years promised, and signed off on so many times by The 3 Amigos,lmao.

 

[tico brown]

Interesting game script last night. Just two days earlier, Mickey had said that Lugo would be limited to one inning, and that he'd try to get save opportunities for Diaz and Familia. He did neither. Why? Is he desperately trying to get every possible remaining win, to save his job?

Sounds crazy, but it calls to mind something I recall reading from a reputable reporter (forget who). Back in 2002, after Mets had been eliminated, Fred told manager Bobby Valentine to manage the final week as if it were the World Series. Valentine responded OK, then I want my best possible roster. There's a 19 year old kid in AA named Jose Reyes who I want to bring up. Fred said no. Valentine went 1-6 in the final week, and was immediately fired.

So with Fred and Jeff, who knows? Maybe these final games are more important than we realize.

Still giving Diaz chance after chance after his record breaking season, maybe that's why Mickey is possibly on his way out.

 

[FrankZ]

Bye Mickey

 

[Knight Shift]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the young "core" of Mets everyday players has more rings than the new core 4 Yankee fans boast about? We're in year #3 of multiple WS Championships in 5 years promised, and signed off on so many times by The 3 Amigos,lmao.

Why do you maintain the dialogue and clog up this thread with nonsensical banter with d-bags?

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Polar Bear 52 in Citi verse 52 in a

 

[willisneverrana43]

. . . this ended up being a great season to watch unfold and get excited for next year.

This was a nice two-month period to watch, certainly not the whole year. As to next year, I'm not as optimistic. The Mets have a defective roster, next to nothing left in the minor leagues, and money tied-up all over the roster. They have a GM whose moves, for the most part, hurt the Mets and their future and who has little to nothing to suggest that he will ever be good at this and a whole lot of stuff suggesting he is bad. Any "core" with the Mets has nothing to do with him and, in fact, he stripped the team of additional, young potential parts to that core to make a run at a .500 record while hamstringing the teams future. I frankly have no idea how this can be fixed quickly, other than that this isn't the guy to do it. If we had good owners, they'd declare a "reset," admit the mistake, and bring in a qualified GM. But, we know, that will never happen. Unfortunately, this may have been the best year for some time.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Polar Bear 52 in Citi verse 52 in a

This is an interesting point. Looking back at Judge's year with 52, he didn't even hit 20 home runs outside of that slo-pitch softball field.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

This is an interesting point. Looking back at Judge's year with 52, he didn't even hit 20 home runs outside of that slo-pitch softball field.

Wow, didn't even know that.What a revealing stat!!! It makes my argument even better. We had one of The 3 Amigos come on here and try to discredit what Alonzo has done.October 10th can't come soon enough.[cheers]

 

[OTBOTOR]

Polar Bear got #53!!

 

[T2Kplus10]

Polar Bear got #53!!

5 more to go to tie Judge!
(once the most juiced ball in the history of MLB is accounted for).

Rookie Record:
1. Judge - 52
2. Alonso - 53*

 

[tico brown]

5 more to go to tie Judge!
(once the most juiced ball in the history of MLB is accounted for).

Rookie Record:
1. Judge - 52
2. Alonso - 53*

So you're going to ignore Judge hitting most of those home runs in a High School sized field?

 

[T2Kplus10]

So you're going to ignore Judge hitting most of those home runs in a High School sized field?

Look at the data that I posted. In 2019, Citi Field is much easier to hit HRs than Yankee Stadium. I agree that Alonso* had a great season. You should be excited about the future with him. However, his 53* homers need to be put into context. Compare Judge's WAR in 2017 vs. Alonso's* in 2019. Big difference.

 

[tico brown]

Look at the data that I posted. In 2019, Citi Field is much easier to hit HRs than Yankee Stadium. I agree that Alonso* had a great season. You should be excited about the future with him. However, his 53* homers need to be put into context. Compare Judge's WAR in 2017 vs. Alonso's* in 2019. Big difference.

Where's this data?

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Where's this data?

In his mothe, oh never mind,the guy will soon start working on why the Yankees fell short again. remember their the measuring stick all teams try to emulate,even though they won only one in the last 18 years and a team like Boston won 4. and a couple other teams won a couple. Whatever, let him have his day,but Alonzo has the record and will be the 1st rookie to also have the most HR's in either league. One more thing Judge couldn't do.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

To his credit Judge was far classier about having his record topped than these slugs here.

 

[RUforJERSEY]

Didn't see the game but just watched the replay of #53 and Gary Cohen wasn't the one who got to call it. 0__0:Sly::ThumbsDown

 

[yesrutgers01]

5 more to go to tie Judge!
(once the most juiced ball in the history of MLB is accounted for).

Rookie Record:
1. Judge - 52
2. Alonso - 53*

Posted in a different thread but in this so called juiced year, it would have taken Judge 744 AB’s to reach 52 this year...So- apples to apples with a juiced ball.

 

[willisneverrana43]

Where's this data?

Not only could he not even hit 20 of his now surpassed 52 HRs in opposing, non high-arc pitch softball fields, but he hasn't since hit even 28 HRs in a season playing half his games in that band box. As of now, he had a one aberrant season.

 

[BigEastPhil]

Congrats to Pete Alonso! The new face of the franchise!

Anyone else feel like I do: that this team deserves the playoffs with such special years by Pete; Jake; Mc Neil etc only to have October joy ripped from our hearts by Mickey; Edwin and Jeurys.

Onto the Off-Season and what Brodie MUST do:

1. Convince the Coupons that they need to spend $ as this team is very close.
2. Start with going big time after Rendon (8 years; 240 M); improving the bullpen big time; qualifying offer to Wheeler and if not signed - then get a quality 5th starter though Lugo may move back into Rotation.
3. Fire Mickey next week and go after Girardi.
4. Get a capable back up Catcher whose name is not Nido (he is so awful)
5. Acquire a CF
6. Let Lagares walk
7. Try to get Noah's head straight
8. Extend Conforto
9. Give modest raises to Alonso and McNeil to show commitment and thanks (I have a betetr chance to hit the Mega).
10. Hope Cespedes stays off horses

Hopefully with strong moves in the off-season,Mets can challenge Braves next year for Division Title!

 

[willisneverrana43]

Such a long crazy expensive list for a team that is supposedly very close.

 

[T2Kplus10]

Not only could he not even hit 20 of his now surpassed 52 HRs in opposing, non high-arc pitch softball fields, but he hasn't since hit even 28 HRs in a season playing half his games in that band box. As of now, he had a one aberrant season.

Guess what, in 2019, who had the better season?

Judge - WAR = 5.3 (101 games)
Alonso* - WAR = 5.1 (160 games)

Just shows how much better of a player Judge is.

 

[Doctor Worm]

Congrats to Pete Alonso! The new face of the franchise!

Anyone else feel like I do: that this team deserves the playoffs with such special years by Pete; Jake; Mc Neil etc only to have October joy ripped from our hearts by Mickey; Edwin and Jeurys.

Onto the Off-Season and what Brodie MUST do:

1. Convince the Coupons that they need to spend $ as this team is very close.
2. Start with going big time after Rendon (8 years; 240 M); improving the bullpen big time; qualifying offer to Wheeler and if not signed - then get a quality 5th starter though Lugo may move back into Rotation.
3. Fire Mickey next week and go after Girardi.
4. Get a capable back up Catcher whose name is not Nido (he is so awful)
5. Acquire a CF
6. Let Lagares walk
7. Try to get Noah's head straight
8. Extend Conforto
9. Give modest raises to Alonso and McNeil to show commitment and thanks (I have a betetr chance to hit the Mega).
10. Hope Cespedes stays off horses

Hopefully with strong moves in the off-season,Mets can challenge Braves next year for Division Title!

I think you will get your wish on #3, the first part anyway. Mets brass will meet probably on Wednesday (not earlier due to Rosh Hashanah) and I expect an announcement will be made immediately thereafter.

#4, 6, and hopefully 10 are also likely. Re #7, will be interesting to see who catches Syndergaard today. If it's Ramos, that's a big fat FU.

The others, especially #2, are dependent on #1. I am not optimistic. Mets already have approximately $167M committed to 15 players, in guaranteed contracts and projected arbitration raises. The luxury tax limit is $206M and there is no way in hell the Wilpons are exceeding that. I'd like to see them go to about $190M, but that would not be enough to do all the things on your shopping list.

I agree that #9 will not happen. Not an indictment of the Mets, nobody pays anybody before they have to (barring an extension).

 

[willisneverrana43]

Stepping back and looking at it from a broader baseball perspective, it's probably better for the league to have that band-box aided rookie record erased from the record books and so darn quickly.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

Guess what, in 2019, who had the better season?

Judge - WAR = 5.3 (101 games)
Alonso* - WAR = 5.1 (160 games)

Just shows how much better of a player Judge is.

Lmao, what a moron. WAR is the most useless over rated stat baseball has ever come up with. Judge can never stay on the field, so does that effect the stat? Also, if we're going to use *asterisks* for a juiced ball, can we also use them for juiced players? Then,96*,98*,99*,2000* should all have them,[cheers]

 

[T2Kplus10]

Lmao, what a moron. WAR is the most useless over rated stat baseball has ever come up with. Judge can never stay on the field, so does that effect the stat? Also, if we're going to use *asterisks* for a juiced ball, can we also use them for juiced players? Then,96*,98*,99*,2000* should all have them,[cheers]

I know math is hard, but learn about it. WAR is essentially the holy grail stat now in baseball.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

I know math is hard, but learn about it. WAR is essentially the holy grail stat now in baseball.

It's used in combination with several stats,hardly The Holy Grail.*96,*98,*99,*2000. October 10th, she's a coming.

 

[yesrutgers01]

Guess what, in 2019, who had the better season?

Judge - WAR = 5.3 (101 games)
Alonso* - WAR = 5.1 (160 games)

Just shows how much better of a player Judge is.

So, let me get this straight...you are saying that we would have been better off with Judge- and I will prorate to same AB's as Alonso for this year...
688 PA 115 Runs 84 RBI 28 D 40HR .272 BA .915 OPS
688 PA 102 Runs 120 RBI 30 D 53HR .260 BA .945 OPS

These are numbers the players themselves control- who replaces them, they have no control over. I don't really even care to understand WAR but feel it is really a dumb stat. The stat that I do like that is fairly new is OPS.

But please, take the stats from above and tell me which was the better season. And then consider- that is prorating because Judge cant even keep his "natural born" body on the field...

And I do give Judge a big edge in fielding but Alonso has not been bad.

Why cant a couple of you Yankee fans appreciate that Judge had a all time great rookie season. And be happy he is a great player on your team. And then sit back and say "holy shit" someone else is pretty damn good too...you love to talk about us Met fans but cripes, some of you guys are the ones that won't take a shower at the gym and only pee in a stall.

 

[yesrutgers01]

I know math is hard, but learn about it. WAR is essentially the holy grail stat now in baseball.

WAR is the holy grail in contract negotiations. Big difference. An individual player has no control over who may replace him. Dom Smith may lower Alonso WAR because as his backup he may be a .280 30+ HR guy. So the gap between Alonso/Smith may not be that great.
Again, I am not a WAR expert so trying to just go by the little I have read. Wouldn't a player WAR go up if his replacement sucks? Or maybe in that position, there are a lot of other good players?
Myself, I like to see stats that players themselves control in baseball.

 

[T2Kplus10]

So, let me get this straight...you are saying that we would have been better off with Judge- and I will prorate to same AB's as Alonso for this year...
688 PA 115 Runs 84 RBI 28 D 40HR .272 BA .915 OPS
688 PA 102 Runs 120 RBI 30 D 53HR .260 BA .945 OPS

These are numbers the players themselves control- who replaces them, they have no control over. I don't really even care to understand WAR but feel it is really a dumb stat. The stat that I do like that is fairly new is OPS.

But please, take the stats from above and tell me which was the better season. And then consider- that is prorating because Judge cant even keep his "natural born" body on the field...

And I do give Judge a big edge in fielding but Alonso has not been bad.

Why cant a couple of you Yankee fans appreciate that Judge had a all time great rookie season. And be happy he is a great player on your team. And then sit back and say "holy shit" someone else is pretty damn good too...you love to talk about us Met fans but cripes, some of you guys are the ones that won't take a shower at the gym and only pee in a stall.

WAR is a wonderful stat.....when it helps make your point! :)
But seriously, Judge is a better player than Alonso, even this season. The Mets need to do one thing above all else, hire JG as manger. The Mets have some quality younger players and they desperately need a leader to bring it all together. Good luck this offseason!

 

[T2Kplus10]

WAR is the holy grail in contract negotiations. Big difference. An individual player has no control over who may replace him. Dom Smith may lower Alonso WAR because as his backup he may be a .280 30+ HR guy. So the gap between Alonso/Smith may not be that great.
Again, I am not a WAR expert so trying to just go by the little I have read. Wouldn't a player WAR go up if his replacement sucks? Or maybe in that position, there are a lot of other good players?
Myself, I like to see stats that players themselves control in baseball.

WAR doesn't compare individual players on a team, but rather compares players to the league's average that year (by position).

 

[rubaseball78]

Guess what, in 2019, who had the better season?

Judge - WAR = 5.3 (101 games)
Alonso* - WAR = 5.1 (160 games)

Just shows how much better of a player Judge is.

War is a bogus stat. But if you believe in it I’ll take Alonso’s 5.1 in 160 games over the 5.3 in 101.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

So, let me get this straight...you are saying that we would have been better off with Judge- and I will prorate to same AB's as Alonso for this year...
688 PA 115 Runs 84 RBI 28 D 40HR .272 BA .915 OPS
688 PA 102 Runs 120 RBI 30 D 53HR .260 BA .945 OPS

These are numbers the players themselves control- who replaces them, they have no control over. I don't really even care to understand WAR but feel it is really a dumb stat. The stat that I do like that is fairly new is OPS.

But please, take the stats from above and tell me which was the better season. And then consider- that is prorating because Judge cant even keep his "natural born" body on the field...

And I do give Judge a big edge in fielding but Alonso has not been bad.

Why cant a couple of you Yankee fans appreciate that Judge had a all time great rookie season. And be happy he is a great player on your team. And then sit back and say "holy shit" someone else is pretty damn good too...you love to talk about us Met fans but cripes, some of you guys are the ones that won't take a shower at the gym and only pee in a stall.

Oh my God, what a great post!! My vote for post of the year describing The 3 Amigos, and the reason they get me and a couple others to retaliate.

 

[ruready4somefootball]

War is a bogus stat. But if you believe in it I’ll take Alonso’s 5.1 in 160 games over the 5.3 in 101.

Exactly,the big guy can't stay on the field.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Bye Mickey

We can hope but I think the Wilpons like that he is stupid. It deflects blame from them.

 

[FrankZ]

We can hope but I think the Wilpons like that he is stupid. It deflects blame from them.

Bye Mickey (***please***).

 

[willisneverrana43]

War is a bogus stat. But if you believe in it I’ll take Alonso’s 5.1 in 160 games over the 5.3 in 101.

No need.

For now, the record books are taking Alonso's 53 HRs. Judge's band-box aided 52 HRs are erased. Buh-bye. And after such a short stay.

Will that guy ever be able to stay on the field?