I don't expect anything to happen one way or the other until Wednesday at the earliest. Reportedly the Mets top brass will be meeting to decide Mickey's fate. The meeting won't happen until after Rosh Hashanah which ends tomorrow night.
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Did you hear anything about the Mets possibly trading Davis for pitching? That's not a smart move at this point. There not a lot of quality can't miss middle relievers out there worth trading. I saw it in the newsfeed this morning on my phone.
I have seen reporting that the Mets view Davis more as a tradable asset rather than part of their future. But who knows.
I do see them trading either Smith or Davis. Conventional wisdom is Smith, but Davis may bring more back.
I agree that trading for relievers is dicey. Still think they will try to rehabilitate Diaz and Familia.
The reason that the Mets may consider trading Davis is because of Cano and the other problems that Van Numbnuts has created. If you take Cano's 37-year-old, injury-susceptible body out of the picture, suddenly McNeil and Davis are infielders again and Cespedes, if healthy, slips into the outfield. Instead, they may deal Davis, one of the few good things Van Numbnuts did, and the Mets will be scrambling on-and-off to fill infield spots when Cano inevitably goes down. And can they rely on Lowrie (by the way, how many guys who play the same positions does he want on his defective roster)? He'll be 36 and had two injuries this year that kept him out essentially the whole year. Even if Cespedes is not healthy, and the Mets trade Davis, that creates a hole in the outfield. The Cano deal, and other numbnuts deals for overpaid players, are also why the Mets will have to trade and can't simply sign players. The payroll is now too stuffed and the Mets can't afford to spend. There's no one in the minors that other teams want. And certainly no one in the minors to come up to the big club and help. The gift of Van Numbnuts' first ever field-trip to a front office will just keep giving. (Wait until some of the prospects he traded away reach the majors, and Cano will still be log-jamming our payroll and infield for years to come.)
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To elaborate: Every year immediately after the season, the Mets conduct organization meetings where they conduct a top down review of everything. The Manager is always included, except this year he isn't. Does not bode well for Mickey. But reportedly no decision has been made.
Whole lot for the team to consider at this point...Here is my thought. The Met's should dangle Davis to see what he may bring...maybe part of a package. If nothing blows their door off- you keep the future .300 30+ HR guy. But...BIG BUT- if you trade Davis or even have that mindset- you don't do it figuring Lowrie or Smith as starters. You have to then go all out for Rendon.
I can live with Cano/Lowie as the 2B combo with Jed getting a few other starts around the infield. Can live with McNeil Nimmo Conforto -Cespedes if healthy in OF.
But again, if you trade Davis- please don't try to sell me on anything else but brining in Rendon.
Uh, where's that money coming from? Good luck. Van Numbnuts spent it all, and then some, already.
And then what about all the other issues. He has to spend to get a bullpen. And then spend to get more starting pitching, since chances are strong that the 5 starting pitchers won't pitch as many innings as they did in this unusually healthy year. Even then, he may be forced to trade Noah because he has very little else that other organizations want. He has so few options because he's stripped the organization of its depth. He's clueless.
Yeah- because the Mets are broke???
Now, will they spend it? Doubt it...but it isn’t because they don’t have it or spent too much already...It just isn’t a valid excuse for a team in our market.
Now- keep Davis and either he or McNeil go to 3B and the other to LF and start everyday, then I am ok not over spending for Rendon. But if you trade a Davis, just don’t tell me we are all set with what we have.
Well, that kind of ends this discussion at the start. It's not about what the Wilpons should do. It's what they will do--more to the point, won't do.
Sure. But then you're just keeping this year's roster, which wasn't enough to even get to a wild card, and it would be foolish to rely on once again having such a healthy starting rotation. And Wheeler will likely be gone. So then what is Van Numbnuts going to do: bullpen problems, a hole in the rotation, no rotational depth, a mid-level offense, aging players who will find themselves hurt from time to time and less productive, nothing in the minors to help.
There's a reason I'm pessimistic. This guy is unqualified and sold-out whatever the organization had to buy himself an 86 win team. There's little to nothing left in the organization, and right or wrong there will be little money. Even if the problems were solvable, he ain't the guy to do it.
Daniel Murphy
Justin Turner
Melvin Mora
Scott Kazmir
And all the others who have done well after they left the Mets one way or another. How come this doesnt surprise me. Thanks BVW for hooking up Cano (and bringing Diaz ).
Maddon is reportedly headed to the LA/Anaheim Angels, who just fired Brad Ausmus.
I know Maddon has won two world championships with different teams, but I am still unhappy about how he almost blew the 2016 World Series by using Chapman too much. There was no reason to have Chapman pitch in the sixth game, which was a Cubs blowout. All that did is weaken Chapman for the seventh game.
BP is a concern and Cano is really the only “aging” guy I see. We didn’t figure our a regular lineup until after AS break and then we went 20 games over 500.
We need to address BP first if not dropping major $$$
You're right; in fact, he was the opposing manager when the Phillies won it all in 2008.
Don’t forget aging guys like Lowrie and Cespedes or even Ramos behind the plate (you think he had trouble getting low this year) to go along with Cano. Tens and tens of millions and lots and lots of injuries.
And good luck picking part of the year and acting like the rest didn’t matter. If you want to play that tired old game see what it looks like when you remove their uber-hot three or so weeks.
Here’s hoping.
@ruready4somefootball @formerlyknownasrutgers100 : Guys, there's a time and place for everything. While this may be the time, it ain't the place. In THIS time and place, let us unite against our acknowledged common enemy. You know, that other team in pinstripes.:Sly:
You must be so happy your team can have all the same issues- Age, injury, bad contracts and can get away with it because your ownership can spend past the mistakes.
You do bring up some valid concerns all Met fans have. Contracts of Cano, Familia, Lowrie, Cespedes and we can’t go Yankee on these mistakes. And the minor league system. But this is something we actually have the right man in charge of now. OM...And besides BVW dumb moves to deplete the minors, we actually have a team full of our minor league players who are doing well. But, correct, major concern.
But...it is actually OK to have a lot of good young players on both NY teams. Not sure why you think it isn’t. We have issues but not with our core team.
Getting tiring with you Yankee fans. You got your girl, go have some fun with her. Since 2010 both teams have the same amount of championships...
And that is with you guys having a good GM and an owner that spends.
There's so much wrong going on here that I wouldn't know where to start. I think that it will be sufficient to note that your believing that I'm a Yankee fan underscores that what you have been doing here is not an objective analysis, but just fan hopefulness, which has been my point throughout.
I guess we're talking about the Yankees because right now, what is there to say about the Mets? The season is over and we're waiting for Callaway to be dismissed. Then we'll talk about who will replace him. Then we'll wait until after the World Series ends and the hot stove league heats up in earnest. Gotta talk about something in the meantime.
Agree should stay away from politics. Take it to the CE board, if you dare. I myself dare not.
Yes, I’m a fan and know what a team looks like that has no hope. The Mets have more talent on it then we have had since the mid 80’s. There is a good core of players and pitchers. We do need some fixes and changes but it is not a dumpster fire that you are trying to make it out to be.
So, this is a “fan” thread.get over it. Not sure who are a fan of then but strange you spend so much time in here.
Get over what? I'm fine with discussion. You should be too. You are just getting my opinion, unvarnished and as unbiased as I can give it. Obviously the Mets are not a dumpster fire. They are an average to slightly above average team right now. The chances of improvement, however, are ungood given what Van Numbnuts has done. And that he is still there.
As to rooting, I do that too. But if you want to talk prospects, I've never seen the use in mixing that with rooting. It's a bit amusing that this has you confused enough not to be able to tell what my team is. In some ways, it's a compliment.
As to rooting, I do that too. But if you want to talk prospects, I've never seen the use in mixing that with rooting. It's a bit amusing that this has you confused enough not to be able to tell what my team is. In some ways, it's a compliment.
Not sure what your point or angle is here. Mets were predicted to be a slightly better than 500 team. The over/under on wins was 85.5. They won 86 so they finished as expected. It doesn't matter how they got there via hot streaks, losing streaks, or winning/losing every other game.
Agreed with all that. How couldn't I.
My last few posts, however, have solely reacted to predictions about next year and theories on how things can/will be improved and/or fixed. I have strong disagreements about those, and so I wrote them. I'm having trouble seeing how this could create such confusion. My arguments are certainly not unclear. Feel free to disagree with them rather than struggling to find some secret point or angle or whatever it is you're looking for. If you're looking, it's all right here. I've written it.
MLB.com reporting that the Nationals have offered Rendon a 7 year deal for $210M. That's $30M per.
You want Rendon? That's where the negotiations BEGIN.
Not happening.
You want Rendon? That's where the negotiations BEGIN.
Not happening.
And maybe if you read what I post rather then pick and choose. We both agree that ownership and BVW and major concerns. Cano/Lowrie/Ramos age is a problem as are contracts. Cespedes is a huge cost but who knows if we get anything again from him. Bullpen outside of Wilson and Lugo is a major problem.
You like to focus on those
We also agree that Alonso/McNeil/Conforto/Rosario make a pretty good young core for any team. Jury out on Davis/Nimmo
Staters: deGrom is a superstar Noah Stroman Matz have been inconsistent but still young and still strong.
I like to focus on the positives will also not hiding from the problems which in the most part(Cano Lowrie Cespedes Familia) that we can’t do a thing about.
We don’t differ much from what we see but I always try to look for good(only way to be a Rutgers or Mets fan) lol
I like the to think the jury has an answer for Davis. Davis hit in the minor leagues. He never had a shot on the major league level. Houston was stacked.
The self esteem is so low for Kbee. Sad.
I agree but trying to throw the poster a bone...lol
Only major concern for Davis is in the field, not the bat. And he may become a good to average OF or 3B if you just put him there and leave him.
As the denizens of Ebbets Field use to say "wait until next year". Going to be an interesting off season for sure. After the 2018 season Met fans and posters alike felt if the team had a closer they'd be in the mix. The picked-up arguably the best closer from 2018. if he performed anything close to what he did in 2018, Cano is at least a temporary afterthought and the fans are discussing whether they want the Cards or Braves.
Mets have announced that their organization meetings will take place this week. Not specific as to when. We knew Wednesday would be the earliest due to Rosh Hashanah. Would not be surprised if Mickey gets the bad news tomorrow.
Rendon will be 30 next year and there is no way I would pay him $30 per for 7 years. The Mets already have a deal like that with Cano. Let Washington have their Cano in a few years. I would love to have him for 4 years with an option.
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