OT: 2019 Mets Season Thread
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Good news, bad news:
First the good news: Stroman has a 56% ground ball rate, fourth highest in MLB. In today's rabbit ball era, that's a good thing.
Now the bad news: Mets only turn 71% of ground balls into outs, lowest percentage in MLB.
First the good news: Stroman has a 56% ground ball rate, fourth highest in MLB. In today's rabbit ball era, that's a good thing.
Now the bad news: Mets only turn 71% of ground balls into outs, lowest percentage in MLB.
One nice by-product of this trade: By taking Stroman off the market, Syndergaard's price tag just went up. In theory anyway.
My opinion:
1. Wheeler gets traded and Mets simply get similar prospects back for what they traded to get Stroman.
2. Stroman better pitcher than Wheeler and Mets gain a year of control.
1. Wheeler gets traded and Mets simply get similar prospects back for what they traded to get Stroman.
2. Stroman better pitcher than Wheeler and Mets gain a year of control.
Assuming the Mets can re-sign Stroman next year, I really like this trade.
MLB pipeline assesses Kay as a future mid-rotation starter. In other words, he is not projected to ever be better than Stroman is right now. Not to say he won't be, but all you can do is go by the current scouting projections.
Woods-Richardson probably has the higher ceiling, but he's only 18. After the inevitable TJ surgery, who knows?
MLB pipeline assesses Kay as a future mid-rotation starter. In other words, he is not projected to ever be better than Stroman is right now. Not to say he won't be, but all you can do is go by the current scouting projections.
Woods-Richardson probably has the higher ceiling, but he's only 18. After the inevitable TJ surgery, who knows?
Not clear to me what the Mets are doing. I guess will see where things stand Thursday morning.
Not hating this. The Mets have cornered the market on starting pitching prior to the deadline. Not a bad strategy to bump up the price on either Wheeler or Syndergaard (or Vargas, Matz, Strohman). Just not confident we get back what one of them is worth.
Got Stroman for 2 minor leaguers who weren’t pitching well. Sounds like a good deal since he is not free agent eligible for a couple years.
Mets holding MLB hostage if you want starting pitching. :Laughing
On an unrelated topic, for the benefit of those who like to keep track of the ones who got away, Keon Broxton was DFA'd by Baltimore, but claimed by Seattle. Good for him. Keon, keep on keepin' on.
Yeah okay. Career era about 3.7 pitching in the AL East with its bandbox stadiums. What a tool.
Not sure what to make of the trade. If you are to break down the trade in a bubble, it seems like it may be a good move for the Met's. He is a decent number 3 or 4 starter and the two kids we gave up, don't really project much higher then that at best anyway.
Outside of the isolation bubble...
Though, Stroman is not a game changer either. And maybe a kid like Kay could have been an extra piece in a different trade that could have helped our future more.
And what message is this sending? Are we really going to go all out to climb over most of the league for the WC??? Are we moving a different starter for higher prospects? Just WTF is BVW gameplan here? He seems like a man on a mission to win now regardless of what it costs this franchise. It is starting to look like we will find ourselves in the position the Knicks have been in for the past 20 years.
And does BVW and the Wilpons believe this move is going to excite the fanbase or just turn us off? This is my fear with BVW- he always feels like he is the smartest person in the room and doesn't want to be in a room with anyone he perceives as smarter.
Outside of the isolation bubble...
Though, Stroman is not a game changer either. And maybe a kid like Kay could have been an extra piece in a different trade that could have helped our future more.
And what message is this sending? Are we really going to go all out to climb over most of the league for the WC??? Are we moving a different starter for higher prospects? Just WTF is BVW gameplan here? He seems like a man on a mission to win now regardless of what it costs this franchise. It is starting to look like we will find ourselves in the position the Knicks have been in for the past 20 years.
And does BVW and the Wilpons believe this move is going to excite the fanbase or just turn us off? This is my fear with BVW- he always feels like he is the smartest person in the room and doesn't want to be in a room with anyone he perceives as smarter.
Love the trade on so many fronts
1. Stroman is a good pitcher
2. Yanks wanted him
3. Stockpile pitchers and drive the cost up for Wheeler, Thor, Vargas, or Matz.
4. Trading one of the above, possibly including Diaz should get you at least a decent CF plus prospects that replenish the minor leagues.
5.Bottom line is Stroman is ready to pitch now where as Kay and SWR May or may not ever pitch in the majors. We will see.
1. Stroman is a good pitcher
2. Yanks wanted him
3. Stockpile pitchers and drive the cost up for Wheeler, Thor, Vargas, or Matz.
4. Trading one of the above, possibly including Diaz should get you at least a decent CF plus prospects that replenish the minor leagues.
5.Bottom line is Stroman is ready to pitch now where as Kay and SWR May or may not ever pitch in the majors. We will see.
Yanks didn't want him that much. Toronto asked for Garcia, Yanks said no, so all they got was 2 middle of the road prospects from the Mets. Not a great market for him.
Yanks tried to trade for him, simple as that. They thought they could bring the price down and they missed out on the trade.
Stroman is an experienced starting pitcher who has some good stats despite a not so good W-L record. He's not a rental which should add to his value. Mets give up their sixth and seventh ranked prospects to get him. The deal would imply to me the Toronto GM & scouts had the Mets' prospects rated higher then 6&7; or, the media placed a higher value on Stroman then all the other teams in need of starters did. If nothing else, it gives the Mets ability to trade one of their starters while still staying in the 'hunt' for the playoffs, and even id they trade a starter they have a replacement if Wheeler walks next season. i see little downside for the Mets. Afterall, they gave up only 'prospects' and who knows if those prospect will have any success in the majors let alone get there.
The Yankees wanted him, who you kidding!!! Enjoy an early exit this fall.
Thank heavens we don’t just look at W-L if so Jake never wins the Cy Young:)
I would have to admit, the Yanks wouldnt want him if it meant trading Garcia but hard to believe the Yanks couldn't come up with a couple of prospects equal to what we used as trade. And if that is the case, either the Yanks got played on this one or Cashman made a huge mistake. Stroman would be a great fit for the Yanks if they only had to give up a couple of (NON) can't miss prospects.
Of course they tried, for the right price. He is definitely not worth a top prospect like Garcia.
Yanks starting pitching has been awful and now CC on the DL. Believe me the wanted Stroman just like many other teams. For once I am happy with what Brodie did.
We agree. Does not mean they did not want him in a trade. They were hoping the price was lowered.
And interesting enough, the 5-6 of us that do, are only talking to the 5 or 6 that are in this thread too. Lol
Both. They are engaging in arbitrage. They are trying to upgrade the farm system without significantly weakening the MLB roster. More moves to come. We can assess in two days.
Some thoughts here:
https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/3-scen...-will-wind-up-making-perfect-sense/309508616/
Trade Zack Wheeler and keep Noah Syndergaard for 2020
Now that the Mets have basically cornered the market for starting pitching (holding Stroman, Wheeler, and Syndergaard, while Madison Bumgarner and Trevor Bauer could be off the market), it can be argued that the Stroman trade will lead to a better return for Wheeler.
Trade Syndergaard and extend Wheeler or Stroman
This is the most tantalizing scenario, but also the one that is the most dangerous.
Trade Wheeler and Syndergaard, sign a top free agent starter
If the Mets trade Wheeler and Syndergaard, they will likely be able to fully replenish a farm system that has taken hits with the Stroman trade and the Robinson Cano/Edwin Diaz trade that saw Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn shipped to Seattle.
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