This is certainly going to turn off a lot of viewers: I thought they were representing their country, not someones sexuality
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OT: 2022 World Cup Thread
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i highly doubt that it's going to turn off any significant number of viewers. only the crazy ideologues care enough to boycott over something so trivial.
It'll turn off haters for sure.
The author of the article appears to be a hater who misses the point (as haters usually do). The United States colors may be red, white and blue, but those colors are merely symbols - it's what they symbolize that matters, not the colors themselves.
Given some of the repressed and intolerant attitudes of the host nation, and by some of the other participant nations, it's a nice statement by the team. They chose colors that symbolize America's commitment to individual freedoms and human rights - the stuff that makes America great.
Taking a stand for freedom and human rights. Oh the horror. 🤣
The author of the article appears to be a hater who misses the point (as haters usually do). The United States colors may be red, white and blue, but those colors are merely symbols - it's what they symbolize that matters, not the colors themselves.
Given some of the repressed and intolerant attitudes of the host nation, and by some of the other participant nations, it's a nice statement by the team. They chose colors that symbolize America's commitment to individual freedoms and human rights - the stuff that makes America great.
Taking a stand for freedom and human rights. Oh the horror. 🤣
I just don't think the Olympics and world cup are the place for it. There are a thousand other things they could also be protesting or representing that probably effect a larger # of people, like women's rights perhaps? Its just pandering to the mob, thats all
Well, first, nobody can address 1000 things in one world cup. So they've chosen to address human rights and individual freedoms. And since those two things affect every single person on the planet, I'm gonna have to dispute your argument about affecting a larger number of people. Doesn't get any larger than the entire planet full of people.
I don't believe the entire planet is gay. Its just pandering, nothing more. The places that are against gay rights don't care about the US and their gay pride logo, it will have no effect on how they behave in the future, just like the logos that have been planted in the endzones of NFL stadiums will have no impact on ending racism
From what I understand, the updated crest will not be used as part of the official uniform in games. Putting it on a warm-up jersey and using it to call attention to an important issue - I have no problem with.
But for the bribery, the games would never have been played here in the first place and that is something they should all be protesting about anyway. The fact the World Cup is being held in the winter during the club season is a travesty.
But for the bribery, the games would never have been played here in the first place and that is something they should all be protesting about anyway. The fact the World Cup is being held in the winter during the club season is a travesty.
I don’t care one way or another. Just play well and get out of their group.
the FIFA uncovered documentary on Netflix is a good watch
Who said the entire planet is gay? The entire planet is human. And humans include gay people, males and females, people of all ethnicities and religions, etc.
You're falling into the trap of thinking that, because the focus, at this time, is a group you don't belong to, fighting for equality and freedom, that their fight doesn't represent you. But it does. Everybody's fight for individual freedoms and human rights is a fight for all humans regardless of whom we are.
Because either you fully support human rights for all humans or you don't. There's no middle ground.
I forget how did the USA/World support the Uyghurs at the China Olympics?
Written by bigots for bigots. Please delete. You are killing what was once a good thread
That was terrible. Kid will be back for the next one. Good player, terrible circumstance.
Why would that matter? I‘m failing to see the relevance.
Or was your post a hater trap, to see who’d like the post? If so, that worked pretty well. 😀
We could make a list a thousand lines long listing all the many things the USMNT, or all other organizations, didn’t support in the past. Does that somehow make it a bad thing for any of those organizations to support something worthwhile, like basic human rights, now?
I didn’t support Alzheimer’s research back when I was in grade school. Shame on me for supporting it, cancer research, or anything else now. 😉
Not sure if you are being serious but I'll bite. The China Olympics was just a couple years ago, I don't think you were in grade school at that time, or maybe I'm wrong, so your analogy of support of Alzheimer's research kind of falls flat, I figure it was made in jest? Human rights violations are serious no matter who is committing them, I think we can agree on that. The organizers of the Olympics and the World Cup are all adults and knew of the atrocities China was committing against the Uyghurs, just as FIFA and the world knows about Qatar and treatment of gays, they were not grade school age (maybe just in intellect, definitely adults in greed). FIFA accepted the bid from Qatar because of money (They had no issues back when they accepted the bid), just like everyone accepted the China Olympics, no one wanted to offend them (Money, Money, Money), seems like hypocrisy to me.
If the USA wants to show support, then fine, ok, just as I said, seems a little hypocritical to me to pick and choose which Human Rights Violations one stands up to, the relevance.
I know of one player from France that made a statement where he said he will not wear the rainbow flag. It's not that he agrees with Qatar's treatment of gays, but as he stated when people come to France, they are welcome, just follows our rules/laws, and he has received some flak for his statements. I bet Brittney Griner, wishes she had followed laws of Russia. Qatar has many laws that I do not agree with, one is that they told people coming into their country do not bring a bible, don't bring porn or drugs.
So, no hookers and blow to be had. 😉
Thats my opinion and I'm sticking with it. 😉
Was it hypocritical of women, back in the early 1900s, to protest their lack of voting rights if they hadn't also protested every other possible thing that was wrong in the world beforehand?
I'm sure we can come up with dozens of human rights issues that the USMNT could have publicly supported in the past, but didn't. So does that mean that the USMNT is forbidden to protest or support anything forevermore?
It seems like you're making the argument that if one hasn't publicly supported every possible ethically correct position in the past, that one is ruled out from publicly supporting anything ever again. That it would be hypocritical to do so.
Is that your argument? If so, I disagree. IMO, better late than never when it comes to public support for human rights.
I also do not believe it is necessary to publicly support every possible thing in order not to be hypocritical when choosing to support something. It's not like the USMNT was publicly advocating for violating the Uyghurs human rights, was it?
Wow, you’re really stretching. Were you in grade school in 1900 too? We are, well at least I am, discussing the last two years. Sure, ok then I was against the crucifixion too.
Not sure why you feel my comment was so controversial that warrants this.
If you are trying to be provocative, I could have questioned you since you’re original analogy was Alzheimer’s disease research compared to supporting gay rights, are you saying being gay is a disease? I don’t think you do.
Simply put FIFA and The Olympic Committee put money before any human rights violations and I am calling out the fact that it’s hypocritical to turn a blind eye to one and not the other.
And I didn’t even mention Tibet.
I think my stance is clear. No need to continue.
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I'm not stretching. I am, however, eating blueberry yoghurt with pecans - so at least I'm being a little healthy.
Any does it matter when a particular analogy occurred? The meaning of fundamental human rights is a constant throughout all of human history. For example, slavery might have been accepted in many cultures throughout human history, but it was always morally and ethically wrong from the very first time it occurred right up to today's sex trafficking.
And what does FIFA or the Olympic committee have to do with the USMNT's decision to show some support for human rights and individual freedoms w/a small tweak to their uniforms? I never said a thing about either FIFA or the Olympic committee. It's not like the USMNT has control over the other two organizations.
To be honest, I don't really know what your stance is here. Do you side with those who wish to oppress the human rights and freedoms of various groups of people? Or do you support human rights and freedom for all people?
It's a very simple choice. Everything else is just noise.
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I’m clear in my opinion. Don’t feel I have to explain further. You’re questioning me by saying “Do you side with those who wish to oppress the human rights and freedoms of various groups of people?” Is offensive. Go reread if you need to.
Back to the original topic. I think England’s defense has major deficiencies and can be exploited. Their fire power is unquestionable but they can be had. I am just not sure we have to team to do it though. Our defense is even more suspect and not nearly as strong going forward.
Back to the original topic. I think England’s defense has major deficiencies and can be exploited. Their fire power is unquestionable but they can be had. I am just not sure we have to team to do it though. Our defense is even more suspect and not nearly as strong going forward.
Right, which is why there’s nothing wrong BLM rhetoric and ALM is an illegitimate, immoral, political re-direct.
Never understand people's objections to BLM. It's another incredibly simple question: do you or don't you believe black lives matter?
It's not hard to answer at all. Look.
I do.
Woah! How hard was that, right? 😃
Right?
The politically obsessed will twist every simple thing into pretzels, fully unaware that they're tools of their chosen political party's efforts to manufacture wedge issues that, by and large, don't actually exist in any meaningful way. All in order to get someone elected who isn't going to make any material difference to the world whatsoever. Because that's real logical.
I keep hoping America figures this out and sheds it's addiction to divisiveness. Not holding my breath.
I thought this was a soccer thread, but since you keep this going. I do not know a single person that believe Black Lives don’t matter, just in case you want to question this too, I believe Black Lives Matter. People are against the organization BLM that has proven to be corrupt.
I think this thread should probably be deleted and another World Cup thread started without the BS.
This. I'll get this off my chest now and then move on to commenting on the teams and games in this thread. I HATE, HATE, HATE that the World Cup is taking place in winter.
As a sports fan, it was always in the perfect spot on the calendar: June-July. All the winter sports are done, football hasn't started yet and baseball isn't quite at its peak. And, then there is the club season calendar. There's a reason it was always played when it was.
Who would've thought supporting human rights and individual freedoms would be controversial.
this is the hand we've been dealt, and it was known early on, including during the bidding process that a summer tournament in qatar was untenable. $omehow, $omething, and $omeone convinced enough member$ of the Ex-co to vote for Qatar and $crew the US out of the tournament this year.
I know. That's why I gotta just bitch about it this one time and move on. There's so much other sports going on right now, it's ridiculous.
the thing is, aside from sunday early game football, there's very little overlap, so you CAN pay attention to all of it, if you so choose.
And yet you challenged my assertion of human rights violations in China when I bought it up. I guess you just cherry pick what bothers you. I’m done, you are either just trying to get a rise or are being intentionally obtuse. Bye
You're right. Maybe a good time for a leave of absence until January.
Maybe that’s your own feeling, but overall That’s not accurate. Asserting BLM is misguided and anti-other races (i.e. espousing ALM instead) clearly shows malice to that particular social cause. It is not about corruption. BTW, what corruption ? That comment shows your true ‘colors’, pardon the pun.
You’ve fallen for the invented, false premise. Same falsity with CRT.
Not if (a) you're married and, ideally, have young kids, (b) you sell the aforementioned expenses, investing the profits wisely, and (c) you either are a sociopath or can play that role.
In fact, if you want to maximize your profits, bring the whole family to watch the World Cup in person and, while there, advertise an auction. Your auction could well be attended by this or that royal prince for whom million dollar purchases are mere pocket change.
I'm a problem solver is what I am. Always happy to advise.
I did not challenge any such thing. I mostly ignored what you said about China because it was 100% irrelevant to the USMNT and it's decision to show support for human rights and individual freedoms in this world cup.
You keep trying to make this incredibly simple thing into something else. It's simple, either you agree w/the support or you don't. Don't complicate it needlessly.
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