This is certainly going to turn off a lot of viewers: I thought they were representing their country, not someones sexuality
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i highly doubt that it's going to turn off any significant number of viewers. only the crazy ideologues care enough to boycott over something so trivial.This is certainly going to turn off a lot of viewers:
It'll turn off haters for sure.
The author of the article appears to be a hater who misses the point (as haters usually do). The United States colors may be red, white and blue, but those colors are merely symbols - it's what they symbolize that matters, not the colors themselves.
Given some of the repressed and intolerant attitudes of the host nation, and by some of the other participant nations, it's a nice statement by the team. They chose colors that symbolize America's commitment to individual freedoms and human rights - the stuff that makes America great.
Taking a stand for freedom and human rights. Oh the horror. 🤣
Well, first, nobody can address 1000 things in one world cup. So they've chosen to address human rights and individual freedoms. And since those two things affect every single person on the planet, I'm gonna have to dispute your argument about affecting a larger number of people. Doesn't get any larger than the entire planet full of people.I just don't think the Olympics and world cup are the place for it. There are a thousand other things they could also be protesting or representing that probably effect a larger # of people, like women's rights perhaps? Its just pandering to the mob, thats all
Well, first, nobody can address 1000 things in one world cup. So they've chosen to address human rights and individual freedoms. And since those two things affect every single person on the planet, I'm gonna have to dispute your argument about affecting a larger number of people. Doesn't get any larger than the entire planet full of people.
the FIFA uncovered documentary on Netflix is a good watchFrom what I understand, the updated crest will not be used as part of the official uniform in games. Putting it on a warm-up jersey and using it to call attention to an important issue - I have no problem with.
But for the bribery, the games would never have been played here in the first place and that is something they should all be protesting about anyway. The fact the World Cup is being held in the winter during the club season is a travesty.
Who said the entire planet is gay? The entire planet is human. And humans include gay people, males and females, people of all ethnicities and religions, etc.I don't believe the entire planet is gay. Its just pandering, nothing more. The places that are against gay rights don't care about the US and their gay pride logo, it will have no effect on how they behave in the future, just like the logos that have been planted in the endzones of NFL stadiums will have no impact on ending racism
Written by bigots for bigots. Please delete. You are killing what was once a good threadThis is certainly going to turn off a lot of viewers: I thought they were representing their country, not someones sexuality
That was terrible. Kid will be back for the next one. Good player, terrible circumstance.France loses another good player. Nkunku got hurt in training today and will miss the WC.
Well said. One of your better posts.Who said the entire planet is gay? The entire planet is human. And humans include gay people, males and females, people of all ethnicities and religions, etc.
You're falling into the trap of thinking that, because the focus, at this time, is a group you don't belong to, fighting for equality and freedom, that their fight doesn't represent you. But it does. Everybody's fight for individual freedoms and human rights is a fight for all humans regardless of whom we are.
Because either you fully support human rights for all humans or you don't. There's no middle ground.
He will be a big miss, very good playerFrance loses another good player. Nkunku got hurt in training today and will miss the WC.
Why would that matter? I‘m failing to see the relevance.I forget how did the USA/World support the Uyghurs at the China Olympics?
Not sure if you are being serious but I'll bite. The China Olympics was just a couple years ago, I don't think you were in grade school at that time, or maybe I'm wrong, so your analogy of support of Alzheimer's research kind of falls flat, I figure it was made in jest? Human rights violations are serious no matter who is committing them, I think we can agree on that. The organizers of the Olympics and the World Cup are all adults and knew of the atrocities China was committing against the Uyghurs, just as FIFA and the world knows about Qatar and treatment of gays, they were not grade school age (maybe just in intellect, definitely adults in greed). FIFA accepted the bid from Qatar because of money (They had no issues back when they accepted the bid), just like everyone accepted the China Olympics, no one wanted to offend them (Money, Money, Money), seems like hypocrisy to me.Why would that matter? I‘m failing to see the relevance.
Or was your post a hater trap, to see who’d like the post? If so, that worked pretty well. 😀
We could make a list a thousand lines long listing all the many things the USMNT, or all other organizations, didn’t support in the past. Does that somehow make it a bad thing for any of those organizations to support something worthwhile, like basic human rights, now?
I didn’t support Alzheimer’s research back when I was in grade school. Shame on me for supporting it, cancer research, or anything else now. 😉
Was it hypocritical of women, back in the early 1900s, to protest their lack of voting rights if they hadn't also protested every other possible thing that was wrong in the world beforehand?Not sure if you are being serious but I'll bite. The China Olympics was just a couple years ago, I don't think you were in grade school at that time, or maybe I'm wrong, so your analogy of support of Alzheimer's research kind of falls flat, I figure it was made in jest? Human rights violations are serious no matter who is committing them, I think we can agree on that. The organizers of the Olympics and the World Cup are all adults and knew of the atrocities China was committing against the Uyghurs, just as FIFA and the world knows about Qatar and treatment of gays, they were not grade school age (maybe just in intellect, definitely adults in greed). FIFA accepted the bid from Qatar because of money (They had no issues back when they accepted the bid), just like everyone accepted the China Olympics, no one wanted to offend them (Money, Money, Money), seems like hypocrisy to me.
If the USA wants to show support, then fine, ok, just as I said, seems a little hypocritical to me to pick and choose which Human Rights Violations one stands up to, the relevance.
I know of one player from France that made a statement where he said he will not wear the rainbow flag. It's not that he agrees with Qatar's treatment of gays, but as he stated when people come to France, they are welcome, just follows our rules/laws, and he has received some flak for his statements. I bet Brittney Griner, wishes she had followed laws of Russia. Qatar has many laws that I do not agree with, one is that they told people coming into their country do not bring a bible, don't bring porn or drugs.
So, no hookers and blow to be had. 😉
Thats my opinion and I'm sticking with it. 😉
Wow, you’re really stretching. Were you in grade school in 1900 too? We are, well at least I am, discussing the last two years. Sure, ok then I was against the crucifixion too.Was it hypocritical of women, back in the early 1900s, to protest their lack of voting rights if they hadn't also protested every other possible thing that was wrong in the world beforehand?
I'm sure we can come up with dozens of human rights issues that the USMNT could have publicly supported in the past, but didn't. So does that mean that the USMNT is forbidden to protest or support anything forevermore?
It seems like you're making the argument that if one hasn't publicly supported every possible ethically correct position in the past, that one is ruled out from publicly supporting anything ever again. That it would be hypocritical to do so.
Is that your argument? If so, I disagree. IMO, better late than never when it comes to public support for human rights.
I also do not believe it is necessary to publicly support every possible thing in order not to be hypocritical when choosing to support something. It's not like the USMNT was publicly advocating for violating the Uyghurs human rights, was it?
I'm not stretching. I am, however, eating blueberry yoghurt with pecans - so at least I'm being a little healthy.Wow, you’re really stretching. Were you in grade school in 1900 too? We are, well at least I am, discussing the last two years. Sure, ok then I was against the crucifixion too.
Not sure why you feel my comment was so controversial that warrants this.
If you are trying to be provocative, I could have questioned you since you’re original analogy was Alzheimer’s disease research compared to supporting gay rights, are you saying being gay is a disease? I don’t think you do.
Simply put FIFA and The Olympic Committee put money before any human rights violations and I am calling out the fact that it’s hypocritical to turn a blind eye to one and not the other.
And I didn’t even mention Tibet.
I think my stance is clear. No need to continue.
Right, which is why there’s nothing wrong BLM rhetoric and ALM is an illegitimate, immoral, political re-direct.Was it hypocritical of women, back in the early 1900s, to protest their lack of voting rights if they hadn't also protested every other possible thing that was wrong in the world beforehand?
I'm sure we can come up with dozens of human rights issues that the USMNT could have publicly supported in the past, but didn't. So does that mean that the USMNT is forbidden to protest or support anything forevermore?
It seems like you're making the argument that if one hasn't publicly supported every possible ethically correct position in the past, that one is ruled out from publicly supporting anything ever again. That it would be hypocritical to do so.
Is that your argument? If so, I disagree. IMO, better late than never when it comes to public support for human rights.
I also do not believe it is necessary to publicly support every possible thing in order not to be hypocritical when choosing to support something. It's not like the USMNT was publicly advocating for violating the Uyghurs human rights, was it?
Never understand people's objections to BLM. It's another incredibly simple question: do you or don't you believe black lives matter?Right, which is why there’s nothing wrong BLM rhetoric and ALM is an illegitimate, immoral, political re-direct.
you leftist commie bastard!Never understand people's objections to BLM. It's another incredibly simple question: do you or don't you believe black lives matter?
It's not hard to answer at all. Look.
I do.
Woah! How hard was that, right? 😃
Right?you leftist commie bastard!
I thought this was a soccer thread, but since you keep this going. I do not know a single person that believe Black Lives don’t matter, just in case you want to question this too, I believe Black Lives Matter. People are against the organization BLM that has proven to be corrupt.Never understand people's objections to BLM. It's another incredibly simple question: do you or don't you believe black lives matter?
It's not hard to answer at all. Look.
I do.
Woah! How hard was that, right? 😃
This. I'll get this off my chest now and then move on to commenting on the teams and games in this thread. I HATE, HATE, HATE that the World Cup is taking place in winter.From what I understand, the updated crest will not be used as part of the official uniform in games. Putting it on a warm-up jersey and using it to call attention to an important issue - I have no problem with.
But for the bribery, the games would never have been played here in the first place and that is something they should all be protesting about anyway. The fact the World Cup is being held in the winter during the club season is a travesty.
Who would've thought supporting human rights and individual freedoms would be controversial.I think this thread should probably be deleted and another World Cup thread started without the BS.
this is the hand we've been dealt, and it was known early on, including during the bidding process that a summer tournament in qatar was untenable. $omehow, $omething, and $omeone convinced enough member$ of the Ex-co to vote for Qatar and $crew the US out of the tournament this year.This. I'll get this off my chest now and then move on to commenting on the teams and games in this thread. I HATE, HATE, HATE that the World Cup is taking place in winter.
As a sports fan, it was always in the perfect spot on the calendar: June-July. All the winter sports are done, football hasn't started yet and baseball isn't quite at its peak. And, then there is the club season calendar. There's a reason it was always played when it was.
I know. That's why I gotta just bitch about it this one time and move on. There's so much other sports going on right now, it's ridiculous.this is the hand we've been dealt, and it was known early on, including during the bidding process that a summer tournament in qatar was untenable. $omehow, $omething, and $omeone convinced enough member$ of the Ex-co to vote for Qatar and $crew the US out of the tournament this year.
the thing is, aside from sunday early game football, there's very little overlap, so you CAN pay attention to all of it, if you so choose.I know. That's why I gotta just bitch about it this one time and move on. There's so much other sports going on right now, it's ridiculous.
I have to work at some point.the thing is, aside from sunday early game football, there's very little overlap, so you CAN pay attention to all of it, if you so choose.
bah. priorities, man, priorities.I have to work at some point.
And yet you challenged my assertion of human rights violations in China when I bought it up. I guess you just cherry pick what bothers you. I’m done, you are either just trying to get a rise or are being intentionally obtuse. ByeWho would've thought supporting human rights and individual freedoms would be controversial.
You're right. Maybe a good time for a leave of absence until January.bah. priorities, man, priorities.
Maybe that’s your own feeling, but overall That’s not accurate. Asserting BLM is misguided and anti-other races (i.e. espousing ALM instead) clearly shows malice to that particular social cause. It is not about corruption. BTW, what corruption ? That comment shows your true ‘colors’, pardon the pun.I thought this was a soccer thread, but since you keep this going. I do not know a single person that believe Black Lives don’t matter, just in case you want to question this too, I believe Black Lives Matter. People are against the organization BLM that has proven to be corrupt.
I think this thread should probably be deleted and another World Cup thread started without the BS.
Not if (a) you're married and, ideally, have young kids, (b) you sell the aforementioned expenses, investing the profits wisely, and (c) you either are a sociopath or can play that role.I have to work at some point.
I did not challenge any such thing. I mostly ignored what you said about China because it was 100% irrelevant to the USMNT and it's decision to show support for human rights and individual freedoms in this world cup.And yet you challenged my assertion of human rights violations in China when I bought it up. I guess you just cherry pick what bothers you. I’m done, you are either just trying to get a rise or are being intentionally obtuse. Bye