OT: Any Tesla Owners Out There
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My BIL drives to Florida every year without an issue. When your driving thousands of miles a few of your stops are going to be longer than 5-10 minutes. Its not a cannon ball run its a marathon.
For your brother in law, or whoever else, it can be whatever they want it to be. But for me, it's a cannonball. Always.
In the EV thread, there were some posts yesterday about that. Tesla used cars prices are down about 27% (IIRC). Which is currently leading the price drops.
Great for buyers, rotten for Tesla owners looking to sell.
Pontiac led the list of price increases, which I do not understand at all. So if you have a Pontiac and want to buy a used Tesla, now's the time.
It's a matter of personal preference. Some people like to take their time, enjoy the sights, stop and have meals along the way.
Others simply want to get where they're going as quickly as possible and dislike long stops. I often find that people who genuinely enjoy the act of driving, like me, fall into this second category.
Driving, when there's no heavy traffic, is relaxing and fun and meditative for me. Stopping detracts from the experience.
The Ram and Silverado don't exist yet.
Doping the anodes with silicon definitely increases range, but you're forgetting about scale and cost.
There comes a point where "just add more batteries" doesn't work. Batteries are heavy. It's more about energy density.
I know. We're debating range continuing to go up in the future. Future products are rather relevant there.
As I said, they're preparing to mass manufacture the silicon.
There certainly does. But when companies are plannin 200+ kwh options, I don't think we've found it.
Not even sure why you're arguing against it. More range is a good thing all around.
I am not sure, either. But we could probably come up with a reasonably accurate guess if we weren't so intent upon being the incredibly nice guys we are. 🙂
It's bad practice to be a ditto-head, but I completely agree. I have a Prius, and don't mind that, because of the small fuel tank, I feel the need to fill up every three hundred miles. Sitting around for twenty minutes (which, by the way, will be much longer because there will be waiting lines due to the slowness of re-charging) does not appeal to me.
You're making assumptions. I've never had to wait for a charger. In a Tesla, if a supercharging station is fully occupied (which is rare), you'll be rerouted to another. As EVs grow, so does the charging infrastructure. It's expanding rapidly right now. Plus, most people charge at home. I guarantee you've spent more time waiting at a gas station filling up your Prius than I've spent waiting at a supercharger.
I hope you're right. But I think there's going to be a problem. Chargers are too expensive (setting aside the problem of finding an electrician qualified to install one safely) and too inconvenient for those not living in single-family homes to become ubiquitous. So as EV use expands, charging stations are going to need a *lot* of chargers -- many more than pumps in gasoline stations. I hope it works out, but it's going to be a challenge. And, of course, there's another problem: will those who have been used to spending only a short time filling up be happy waiting the longer time it takes to charge an EV? That's why I agree with @jtung230 that shortening charging time is badly needed.
I'm not against range increases. I'm all for anything to accelerate sustainable energy. I'm also realistic.
Silicon anodes aren't a new discovery, and currently no battery supplier has been able to mass produce. What companies are you referring to? What's the $cost/kWh of manufacturing? Current Li-ion nickel cells are roughly $120/kWh, LPF cells a little less. What's the total output planned? Is this going to make a real dent in range increases for the masses? Are you sure these batteries are destined for vehicles rather than niche cases like eVTOL aircraft where ultra high energy density is required and cost is less relevant?
All I'm saying is when you look at the global leaders of battery supply: CATL, Panasonic, LG, SK, BYD... None are ramping silicon anode cells. Just the opposite. The big players are racing to increase LFP production. That translates to most EVs being in the 275-350 mi range.
SK is working with Group14. Believe Volkswagen is the automaker in that mix.
"In December, Group14 followed that grant with an additional $214 million in private investment. The company plans to build a 20 GW US factory capable of producing enough silicon material for 400,000 electric vehicle batteries.
Group14 currently runs a pilot-scale plant in Washington state and has nearly completed construction on a 10 GW plant in South Korea, built in partnership with SK Materials. None of the large-scale facilities are operational yet, but Chief Technology Officer Rick Costantino says the company still aims to have its materials in an electric vehicle in 2023 or 2024."
Sila is the other I was aware of, teamed with Mercedes. Article mentions a third.
That's just one example of range-boosting tech on the immediate horizon.
"https://cen.acs.org/energy/energy-storage-/Silicon-anode-battery-companies-major/100/web/2022/12
There are classic Pontiacs that are sold every once in a while. There are also a bunch of G6's and similar cars from the 00's that are aging out and heading to junk yards, so they're not being sold as much. The ratio of classics to junk is just increasing.
That makes sense. The overall low volume of Pontiac sales results in an outsized impact of classic car sales on the average transaction price. Didn’t think of that, thanks.
Tesla wins Kelley Blue Book’s 2023 5-year Cost to Own Award for premium EVs
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-wins-kelley-blue-book-2023-5-year-cost-to-own-award-for-premium-evs/
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-wins-kelley-blue-book-2023-5-year-cost-to-own-award-for-premium-evs/
I've had a Tesla Model 3 mid range since 2018. No issues and no maintenance since I bought it, just rotated the tires. Depending on your driving need, you can use an existing electric outlet to charge, the regular outlet (120v 15 amps) can charge the model 3 around 4-5 miles an hour. Just plug it in when getting home at night, and in the morning, it's charged (I've been doing this for over 4 years with no issues). If you have electric dryer nearby, you can also charge from the dryer plug, that should charge the model 3 at around 20 miles an hour.
A little warning, the car has great acceleration, if you have too much fun doing that, you will have to replace your tires often, which will drive up the ownership cost.
Also in the beginning, takes a little getting used to driving because of the regen braking, basically when you let go the gas pedal, the vehicle decelerate because it recharge the battery by reversing the motor. This enables you to essentially do 1 pedal driving, and it preserves the brake pads (the brake pads can last up to 100k miles).
A little warning, the car has great acceleration, if you have too much fun doing that, you will have to replace your tires often, which will drive up the ownership cost.
Also in the beginning, takes a little getting used to driving because of the regen braking, basically when you let go the gas pedal, the vehicle decelerate because it recharge the battery by reversing the motor. This enables you to essentially do 1 pedal driving, and it preserves the brake pads (the brake pads can last up to 100k miles).
LOVE one pedal driving. When I occasionally drive an ICE vehicle, it now seems so antiquated to have to switch over and use the brake pedal. I can usually go my 16 mile commute to work without touching the brake pedal. I'm gonna guess my brake pads go beyond 100k miles
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I guess as long as those objects are not painted like police cars or ambulances.
Pretty much everybody here who regularly posts in this thread, but a couple people, post stuff (good or bad or just potentially interesting) about ALL brands. As for the aforementioned couple people, they seem to fail to understand why their incessant spamming for one brand invites so much ridicule, although it's really quite obvious why.
"Ooh ooh! Look how great MY brand is. All other brands suck. " 🤣
Please forgive me for posting about Tesla within the Tesla thread.
You can go back to the EV thread and continue posting about how EVs aren't for you, the latest news about ICE vehicles, what an amazing driver you are, and all of the other non relevant things you drone on about.
But you have to admit the video is BS right? Tesla is better but not 100%. But yet the video only shows other brands hitting dummies but Tesla. Also, if there was a video of Tesla hitting a dummy, Twitter would take it down. All about free speech. I wonder why Tesla is getting called out for all the false claims.
I stand corrected. I guess if you pay to get the blue check mark, you can post anything. That video is why I would never use the self driving feature.
Thanks for all the info! The Football Board comes through as usual. I'm down to my Final Four, which includes a Tesla 3.
I just looked at a 2023 Mercedes EQE…$93k car yet with all the rebates was cheaper in financing compared to ICE 2024 GLE 350(~$70k)
I just can’t fathom two electric cars though as this time
I just can’t fathom two electric cars though as this time
As usual with this subject, you've missed the point by a mile. It's not that you posted about Tesla. There's absolutely nothing wrong with posting about Tesla here or in the EV forum.
Your problem is how you post about all things automative. You and the other guy have been nonstop propagandizing a single brand that you worship. So basically, nothing either of you post about cars can be trusted, same as with all other propaganda. You think everything automotive that isn't in some way related to promoting Tesla is irrelevant.
There's a decent chance that my first EV will be a Model X, I own lots of Tesla stock, and I've never tried to talk anybody out of purchasing either a Tesla or an EV (I also don't push them do so). So your defensive narrative than I'm anti-EV or anti-Tesla is unsupported by the facts.
Please stop posting. This is the Tesla thread - the OP specifically asked about the experiences of Tesla owners.
Because "please stop posting" has always worked on internet message boards.
Mercedes gives you the rebate up front on a lease payment ($7500) without having to go thru the government. I am sure its their incentive. On a purchase you have to apply for it and that is where they try and trick you because it wouldn't be eligible based on price or AGI
No. Not BS. It's EURO NCAP testing footage, not some random, anonymous, unverified source. Was the footage edited? IDK, but those are clips from their tests.
LMAO…..you don’t think the footage was edited to make Tesla look good?
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