OT: Any Burned Out Teachers in Here?
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To clarify, when I said this part:
“She would laugh at those in the thread complaining about teachers. Literally. LOL”
I meant those in the thread who aren’t teachers and are complaining.
"When she asked my Wife (a physics teacher at a magnet HS school in Monmouth County - 4 mile commute) about her class sizes my Wife said 16. My Mom laughed and called that a “snow day.” LOL"
Real teachers from the past knew how to handle students and get better results. Congrats to your mom and those teachers from the golden age!
Life is about perceptive. Focus on what you want and ignore what you don't want.
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Yes tenure sounds like a great idea and especially to the teacher’s Union leaders … other than that it has caused immense problems and instituted a feeing in some teachers that they are impervious to outside scrutiny by the parents who pay their salaries through tax payer dollars.
Worst years of my life (as a student). My oldest was in 7th grade during the pandemic - honestly, wish I could have had that back in the 90s.
With all due respect to my friend, T2K: experience from decades ago has nothing to do with and is nothing like what goes on in classrooms today. When I hear teachers talking, I'm constantly thinking "Man, in my day that kid would have been suspended for giving the teacher attitude like that!"
It's been demonstrated in post after post that it's a whole new ballgame today. The kids don't respect the teachers and in many cases nobody has their back. Throw a kid out for being defiant about putting his phone away and he's back in the room by the end of the period with a grin on his face. Tell a kid he can't go to the bathroom every single class session and there's an email from Mom before the end of the period, with the principal CCed.
There are plenty of "law and order" types of teachers nowadays who get chewed up and spit out. They are helpless to enforce discipline, no matter how much they believe in it.
I know you won't consider this; you already have your mind made up about everything related. But many in the thread might...
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Weak administration as it starts there. That said, many teachers today are not worth the price of admission
And all of this (weak admin and teachers) pushed by unions to create dependency and power for themselves.
That is the reason I can’t feel any sympathies for anyone in education . Teachers are not the problem for the most part it is the lack of holding students and their parents accountable.Who allowed these kids to become terrors in the classrooms. Middle school definitely the worst time to show no push back on those who disrupt their schoolmates and destroy teacher morale.
In a positive development, teachers are fleeing the largest union.
www.foxnews.com
Teachers flee nation's largest union in a crisis of its own making
The NEA’s strategy to retain members and, by extension, steady cash flow, relies on keeping teachers in the dark about the First Amendment rights affirmed in Janus v. AFSCME.
In a positive development, teachers are fleeing the largest union.
Teachers flee nation's largest union in a crisis of its own making
The NEA’s strategy to retain members and, by extension, steady cash flow, relies on keeping teachers in the dark about the First Amendment rights affirmed in Janus v. AFSCME.
“The NEA’s strategy to retain members and, by extension, steady cash flow, relies on keeping teachers in the dark about the First Amendment rights affirmed in Janus.”
Wife gets stuff mailed to her all the time: “You qualify for this “thing”. Send us a check and we will explain what the “thing” is.”
You can go by what Fox said or what they left out
>A whopping 86% of members within the National Education Association report seeing more educators leave the industry since the start of the pandemic. These leaves are either due to career changes or early retirement. For comparison, in 1992, just 5% of teachers left the profession.<
Remember Fox is a known misinformation site and that media outlet even had to pay a huge amount for pushing lies.
Fox even admitted in court when their star commentator ( at the time) was sued for slander for what was claimed on his Fox program
The Legal Defense For Fox's Tucker Carlson: He Can't Be Literally Believed
>U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.
www.npr.org
Or....You can go by what Fox said or what they left out
>A whopping 86% of members within the National Education Association report seeing more educators leave the industry since the start of the pandemic. These leaves are either due to career changes or early retirement. For comparison, in 1992, just 5% of teachers left the profession.<
Remember Fox is a known misinformation site and that media outlet even had to pay a huge amount for pushing lies.
Fox even admitted in court when their star commentator ( at the time) was sued for slander for what was claimed on his Fox program
The Legal Defense For Fox's Tucker Carlson: He Can't Be Literally Believed
>U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil's opinion, leaning heavily on the arguments of Fox's lawyers: The "'general tenor' of the show should then inform a viewer that [Carlson] is not 'stating actual facts' about the topics he discusses and is instead engaging in 'exaggeration' and 'non-literal commentary.' "
She wrote: "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrivewith an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
You Literally Can't Believe The Facts Tucker Carlson Tells You. So Say Fox's Lawyers
Fox News viewers don't expect facts from Tucker Carlson, according to network lawyers who defended their star in a slander lawsuit filed by a woman who said she had an affair with President Trump.
You can go by what I just said when I read what was in my Wife's mailing from the NEA.🤷♂️
I was just commenting on the "in the dark" part from the link. As the mailing really didn't explain what they wanted her money for.
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Or in my case, it helped me because I can now advocate for teachers by asking for classroom improvements, more support and give them honest information without fear or reprisal. There's 2 sides to this coin and positives and negatives to both.
Is that like the CTU demands for their upcoming contract? Quite sure former union organizing leader ,now Mayor , Johnson is fine with raising his constituents taxes in order to cover the costs. Let’s see how stupid Chicago’s citizens will be In 2024.
You can do the same without tenure. It's called the real world and it happens every day at every company.
Getting tenure = now you can be lazy without consequences
Some rise above this impulse, but most do not.
It is undeniably a fact in which many teachers who achieve tenure ( the ultimate safety net) misuse its original intent . All one has to do is look around the educational system today and see the drop off in math, reading and overall subject competency. I don ‘t care about the Millburns, East/West Windsor townships examples nor the STEM schools .
Millburn et al are great schools due to the parents in the district. Nothing to do with the school system itself.
The thing about tenure is it should be earned. There's probably a range in NJ, but I remember some of the time for tenure was quite short. IIRC it takes 7 years at colleges. It should be 3-5 years for K-12.
There's not one person who would say that there aren't people who are coasting because of tenure or some people that should be canned are kept because they can't be fired. However, what about the school districts that RIF all non-tenured teachers the summer before they reach tenure? That happens too. Nothing like creating an ideal learning environment for student by shitcanning their teachers every few years.
There in lies the real distinction between success versus failure. If going by scores ( and they should) contrary to the recent past narrative that tests are unfair let’s remind all Rutgers grads here. We all had testing in school and it mattered. Then along came this new thinking that certain groups were being denied because tests are for another stupid idea biased… a favored group of students who had more access to the things which helped them score higher on standardized tests. Now it’s we need more tenured teachers because somehow they then will work their asses off. Will never happen.
Please state the numbers for some vs. most. Otherwise, your statement is just hyperbole. That means exaggeration in case you forgot from the English classes we took together at the U.
Sure… but most somehow get that safety net. Even if it means another year or two paying your dues.
If the narrative that you guys spin is that the good districts don't count because they have strong parental involvement and they are the reasons for successful schools, why is your first move to vilify the teachers in "bad" districts instead of targeting the parents?
Exactly, I want the mayor to show me the stats? Why do you get to talk with a bunch of what ifs instead of solid info? At least make up a pretend article or something instead of making excuses.
All those high achieving schools for the most part would have stable households with more than likely two parents who provide discipline and guidance to the child. Teachers can’t do it all . Some actually do work hard and try . There are still too many who don’t care.
We aren’t spinning anything. They all count . It’s a fact those productive ( and there are many in nj) school districts do have someone guiding them . It may be two parents, might be one parent ir even grand parents . You can ‘t deny this fact . It is documented by social workers, medical professionals and schools themselves. NJ spends a tremendous amount of taxpayer money on providing a good education . Even in school systems deemed to be underachieving. You pay school taxes lately?
Once again, I'm not disagreeing with you. I work in a great school district as I've stated a baziillion times before. I know the positives and the negatives.
1). I'm asking why you and T2K assume that "most" of the teachers are taking advantage of tenure instead of "some" and if it's true tell me stats to back up that's this is the reality.
2). I also want to know why you blame teachers for the fault of bad test scores, when parents and the way they raise their children is a much more significant factor as you stated in the good school district argument.
3). And yes, I have paid school taxes recently. I'm aware of how high they are.
I'm really just trying to figure out at this point if you're fully committed to this argument or just trolling and breaking balls like T2K does.
