apologies, were you talking about the non raise issue or something else. sorry if I missed the point
OT: Any Burned Out Teachers in Here?
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I was just commenting and assuming most folks have some concern about their compensation.
well we all would like more money but at the end of the day, the given profession of any choice has rewards, pitfalls and consequences etc. in addition, the dynamics have changed and compensation, at least at many wall st banks/firms, salary becomes fixed and bonuses matter more.
I'm looking to retire when my youngest goes off to college so I'm less focused on that and more on keeping the status quo
I would say like anything it's uneven. Some urban districts are likely tougher jobs than suburban ones and teachers may be reach into their own pockets more, but pay less.
The other issue is that teachers may not be able to live in the area they teach. Even 100k in a good district is not enough to sustain yourself in some parts of NJ. That's an overall problem in society, and not an easy one to fix. I know that for example in Silicon Valley some school districts own apartments they rent out. And we do have some affordable housing in NJ, but I think it would be smart in wealthy areas to build some "workforce" housing- available to teachers, police, fire and others to live in the community they serve. Say, a developer wants to build homes, designate a certain percentage to reflect 3x the average public servant income in the town (approx what you should spend on rent/mortgage).
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This wasn’t teaching related.
My comment was more along the lines that just about everyone in every job is concerned or thinks about their compensation.
And with this post I'm done with the conversation. Congratulations. You're a moron.
Can you elaborate on what his post was moronic? I'm genuinely curious because the idea of standardization as vehicle to offset value prop of experience isn't a new or novel thing.
nah, you just have zero sense of reality, like many many teachers out there so congrats, you just validated you're an idiot
tell me why a 10,15,20yr teacher should earn more than a new kid out of school if the curriculum is the same? Experience matters not with common core
Great state. I see guys packing at Walmart, Kroger, etc all the time. Better to have have good guys with guns than be sitting ducks like the Old Bridge Pathmark shooting about 15 yrs ago where the pussy cops hung out in the parking lot holding their dicks
Do you feel the same way with other types of employees who see increased compensation based on years of service - Police? Firefighters? Nurses? Many non executive corporate positions? Military somewhat? Or is it just teachers who should get no reward for longevity? Just asking for a friend.
No adjustment for inflation? And in the earlier years no adjustment for increased responsibilities and capabilities?
Am I reading this right? 90% of the students are missing more than 10% of the school year at the school at the top of the list. Thats 18 days a year... I don't think I missed 18 days total from K-8
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NJ Schools With The Worst Attendance Record: See Full District List
The rate of chronic absenteeism, or missing at least 10 percent of school days in a year, is rising in NJ, according to the latest DOE data.
- Plainfield Public School District, Hubbard Middle School, 90 percent
- Paterson Public School District, School 10, 89.5 percent
- Plainfield Public School District, Plainfield High School, 87.5 percent
- Rancocas Valley Regional High School District, Rancocas Valley Regional High School, 84.6 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Arthur J. Holland Middle School, 83.8 percent
- Plainfield Public School District, Pinnacle Academy High School, 83.3 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Arthur J. Holland Middle School, 82 percent
- Keansburg School District, Joseph R. Bolger Middle School, 81.3 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Joseph Stokes Elementary School, 81 percent
- Jersey City Public Schools, Alfred Zampella School, 80 percent
Your base line argument is flawed as it is not really what you teach but how you teach it and the understanding or the course material and how to deliver it to a variety of learning styles. You need to be able to manage differences in learning style, emotionally issues and behavior issues all at the same time.
I love people who believe that they could do what I do as I see them fail over and over again. I have seen in my 25 years alternate route teachers walk out of class after day one. Not, because they were given particularly difficult classes but they had to manage those classes and that takes time and experience. Much like Managing a team in the private sector I would imagine, only we can’t fire the one’s who refuse to work.
Chronic absenteeism is a huge problem across the US. I'm at a top 20 NJ HS and out of a population of about 1,100 we'll have about 85 absent and 100 tardy students EVERY day. Not only does it affect their own learning but it interrupts class instruction as teachers are constantly having to bring kids who missed all or part of a class up to speed.Am I reading this right? 90% of the students are missing more than 10% of the school year at the school at the top of the list. Thats 18 days a year... I don't think I missed 18 days total from K-8
NJ Schools With The Worst Attendance Record: See Full District List
The rate of chronic absenteeism, or missing at least 10 percent of school days in a year, is rising in NJ, according to the latest DOE data.
- Plainfield Public School District, Hubbard Middle School, 90 percent
- Paterson Public School District, School 10, 89.5 percent
- Plainfield Public School District, Plainfield High School, 87.5 percent
- Rancocas Valley Regional High School District, Rancocas Valley Regional High School, 84.6 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Arthur J. Holland Middle School, 83.8 percent
- Plainfield Public School District, Pinnacle Academy High School, 83.3 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Arthur J. Holland Middle School, 82 percent
- Keansburg School District, Joseph R. Bolger Middle School, 81.3 percent
- Trenton Public School District, Joseph Stokes Elementary School, 81 percent
- Jersey City Public Schools, Alfred Zampella School, 80 percent
I'm in my 19th year teaching in high school. I still love my job and hope/need to work here for another 15-16 years. It's changed, some for the better and some of the worse, but that's life. Gotta roll with change or get rolled over by it. Feel free to ask any questions about the job and how it's changed.
One thing I'm not a fan of is how people think teachers are heroes or deserve some extra adulation. We don't need it. We work hard like everyone else does. It's a job with its difficulties and its benefits, like everyone else's job.
One thing I'm not a fan of is how people think teachers are heroes or deserve some extra adulation. We don't need it. We work hard like everyone else does. It's a job with its difficulties and its benefits, like everyone else's job.
Another thing covid brought us. You can’t tell kids it is ok to stay home and learn on the computer for almost 2 years and then turn around and say attendance is essential. Another contributor are the sports leagues. It’s not uncommon for my daughter to miss almost an entire week for a soccer tournament
It's a different world today. I'd love to see the stats on number of kids who leave a class session to go to the bathroom or refill their water bottles (somehow a "dire necessity" today; neither of which I ever did even a single time in K-12, or in college). God help the teacher who denies a student the right to go fill his water bottle, ha ha...
I feel like you are not taking into account actually teaching, interacting with, guiding, and dealing with students.
But to each their own.
95, are you saying that, unlike in other professions, you don't think it isn't possible to be very good (or very bad) at the job of teaching? And that experience can't make a difference in teaching ability?
Does she attend classes as SHI?
It's insane. We had to institute daily tracking and reporting. Teachers are now tasked with judiciously denying bathroom/water trips to kids who abuse the privileges.
Everything in public education is now about proving you attempted to hold a kid accountable or proving you let a parent know their child is failing. If those two things are not met, it is very hard to hold a child accountable because parents lawyer up.
Yeah. Districts spend millions of dollars and gobs of time to set up and maintain online systems by which parents can comprehensively monitor their child's academic performance in real-time. Yet there is still an obligation, that parents will go ape about if not met, to send an email and/or phone call to report the child's academic standing...
Once a douche always a douche.......
I asked you what profession you are in, but you went into hiding you chicken. I guess professional masturbator is too long for you to type.
No doubt. But, I think there are certain professions overall people outside would consider undercompensated. Teacher in a rough district is one- at least in NJ where the pay increases with the prestige of the district from what I see. There are others. But ofc everyone wishes they were paid more.
There is also no other job in the country with less accountability than a teacher in a “rough district”. These schools repeatedly put out classes that can’t pass even the basic skills tests and we just keep rewarding them with more and more money.
So, just curious. What is your solution? Yeah, there are uneducatable kids out there (by any school/district) for reasons that have little to do with anything that happens in the school. Just fire the teachers who tried, and who also probably did successfully educate some of the classmates of the "uneducatables"?
Honest question. I don't know the answer, but it seems you have one...
rough district teachers have spoon fed "get out of jail free card" - grades don't matter, attendance doesn't matter, nobody gives a shit, they just have to move along and get out. just don't touch the kids, don't yell too much, tell the parent(s) they are always correct, and keep that pension building.
There is no answer. It’s almost impossible to teach kids when they have little to no support at home. I’m not blaming teachers, I have good friends who teach in places like Irvington. I know they try and you can only accomplish so much in the brief time you have them. One friend, switched from HS to middle school with the hope he’d at least have a chance with those kids. My point was, while some districts don’t pay teachers well they also have zero accountability for results.
You ever worked in one? I spent a decade in two inner city districts. I, and many of my fellow teachers, worked incredibly hard. My room had no heat, mushrooms would grow out of the wall after rain, I had multiple kids murdered, they never had enough to eat, we had zero resources, but I did everything I could to reach and help get those kids better. And I did. I rarely take things to heart that random people write on a message board, but step into one of those districts and spend some serious time there before you write something like that.
Look at my response to dconifer
I’m not Judging the teachers but it is reality. Also, with classroom conditions like that it’s just another example of why teachers u ion is a joke. Where is all the money going? These Abbott districts are getting so much more money per kid than the rest of the state but they can’t keep the heat on?
I don't know the answer but spending gobs of $$ on the worst schools certainly isn't working. If the families are not invested in education, its going to be pretty hard to succeed. I'm all for paying teachers a good salary but we are failing generations in the same school districts. Has to be a better way.. Vouchers possibly where a kid could go learn a trade or work as an apprentice doing something.
The honest answer is the money is going to superintendents, assistant superintendents, admin, department heads, and outside organizations to come in and implement new programs. One of the districts I was in was on a pay freeze for teachers but we had 6 assistant superintendents and a superintendent all making a ton of money. Our test scores went up 3% (still failing level) and all of them, admin, and the department heads got a 10k bonus. It was like 2 million dollars in bonuses. There were multiple incentives like that built into admin contracts (attendance at back to school night, attendance for the year, contact from guidance etc.). The sate did this when they capped salaries, and then we lost good administrators to PA and NY.
Really? How about police in a "rough city"? Or a not so rough one. Clark is a great example right now and they're making more than any NJ teacher.
Are there any police departments who don’t catch 100% of criminals. Have 100% unsolved cases? Don’t bring in any money from tickets or fines? If the answer is no then we have schools doing far worse.
When you have towns in NJ one square mile big if that, actually there are probably situations where yes they shouldn't be bringing in revenue, and further, shouldn't exist, period.
Clark, Edison, off the top of my head there are others were the police WERE the criminals and we're paying for that. i will say many NJ cities are less dangerous than their counterparts as we're 47th in violent crime. But that doesn't change the fact that schools in those areas have plenty of hard working teachers making say 50-60 versus ones in easier districts clearing 6 figures.
What are you even arguing. I never said the teachers didn’t work hard. I never said some towns aren’t underpaid. The fact remains we have multiple towns/cities where no kids can pass basic skills. That is zero accountability. Your hard on for cops has zero to do with this. Again, you can’t name a town we’re 100% of crimes go unsolved. Whether or not cops are over paid, or there are to many, or some departments should be eliminated has zero to do with this.
I think this might be relevant to the conversation. Johnathan Haight who wrote "The Coddling of the American Mind" just came out with a book "The Anxious Generation" which he details why he believes Phones, Social Media, the Internet and Helicopter parents have screwed up kids. He's pushing for a phone free childhood.
Just ordered this last week. Haven’t started yet but heard it recommended in many places.
