OT: Any Burned Out Teachers in Here?

[Rhuarc]

BRW: Did I not say teachers aren’t completely the reason for poor scores? But they are a part of it along with the higher ups who are in charge. Who should we blame ? Or who would you prefer we cast the blame to the kids?

Teachers can take some blame, sure. Just like an AD takes the blame when a coach loses control or the hospital's name is tarnished when a surgery goes wrong. Maybe instead of blame we consider fixing the real issues that prevent kids from learning. From my actual 20+ years of teaching experience, outside influences impact learning more than poor teaching skills. And yes, that includes bad parenting choices.

When my 4 students out of 21 are acting out, I spend my entire time disciplining and trying to reclaim the class. Each incident takes 30-60 seconds. If it happens 40-50 times a day, how much teaching time is lost? And this is in a good district. These are kids with diagnosed issues, undiagnosed issues, exhaustion, hunger, shitty living conditions. I have multiple kids sleeping 3-4 to a bed. One sleeps on a cot in the kitchen so they can afford a 1 bedroom. One of my kids is clearly OCD and in the spectrum, but Mom is afraid to take him to a specialist. Even the pediatrician has tried to get through to her, but she makes excuses.

So once again, these kids that blow up the learning experience are the fault of teachers in some way? I may bust T2K's balls but I've never given him crap for his support of private schools. If you can afford, it go for it.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Please state the numbers for some vs. most. Otherwise, your statement is just hyperbole. That means exaggeration in case you forgot from the English classes we took together at the U.

Let me do some math and I will follow-up on this. FYI.....BBBQ first Sat in June.

 

[Rhuarc]

Let me do some math and I will follow-up on this. FYI.....BBBQ first Sat in June.

I saw. I need to check the schedule.

 

[fsg2]

It is undeniably a fact in which many teachers who achieve tenure ( the ultimate safety net) misuse its original intent . All one has to do is look around the educational system today and see the drop off in math, reading and overall subject competency. I don ‘t care about the Millburns, East/West Windsor townships examples nor the STEM schools .

Undeniably a fact?! Because you declared it so?

Wow that's a high level of proof you've reached, Bobbo.

Can't argue with something that airtight.

 

[RUBOB72]

I saw. I need to check the schedule.

Son and daughter in law are both tenured teachers. Both know why I am against tenure and only because what it has happened to a protection for them . They don’t like what has happened to their profession . It has been railroaded by a group whose only intent is selfish motives and not the best interests of the student. Most caused by the union and its lack of good leadership.

 

[RUBOB72]

Oh and fsg2…..🤫

 

[hoochie302]

There in lies the real distinction between success versus failure. If going by scores ( and they should) contrary to the recent past narrative that tests are unfair let’s remind all Rutgers grads here. We all had testing in school and it mattered. Then along came this new thinking that certain groups were being denied because tests are for another stupid idea biased… a favored group of students who had more access to the things which helped them score higher on standardized tests. Now it’s we need more tenured teachers because somehow they then will work their asses off. Will never happen.

You say they should go by test scores......that shows you have no clue about education.

 

[T2Kplus20]

Teachers can take some blame, sure. Just like an AD takes the blame when a coach loses control or the hospital's name is tarnished when a surgery goes wrong. Maybe instead of blame we consider fixing the real issues that prevent kids from learning. From my actual 20+ years of teaching experience, outside influences impact learning more than poor teaching skills. And yes, that includes bad parenting choices.

When my 4 students out of 21 are acting out, I spend my entire time disciplining and trying to reclaim the class. Each incident takes 30-60 seconds. If it happens 40-50 times a day, how much teaching time is lost? And this is in a good district. These are kids with diagnosed issues, undiagnosed issues, exhaustion, hunger, shitty living conditions. I have multiple kids sleeping 3-4 to a bed. One sleeps on a cot in the kitchen so they can afford a 1 bedroom. One of my kids is clearly OCD and in the spectrum, but Mom is afraid to take him to a specialist. Even the pediatrician has tried to get through to her, but she makes excuses.

So once again, these kids that blow up the learning experience are the fault of teachers in some way? I may bust T2K's balls but I've never given him crap for his support of private schools. If you can afford, it go for it.

FYI - our school just "declined to renew" the contract of one of our little one's classmates (i.e., kicked out). Why? Two years of lack of parental support and falling way too far behind. Legit reasons, not bad people. Regardless, she needs to go to public and repeat the grade. Sad since she is a friend (and will be at the BBBQ) but we all knew this was going to happen.

 

[rufamily]

FYI - our school just "declined to renew" the contract of one of our little one's classmates (i.e., kicked out). Why? Two years of lack of parental support and falling way too far behind. Legit reasons, not bad people. Regardless, she needs to go to public and repeat the grade. Sad since she is a friend (and will be at the BBBQ) but we all knew this was going to happen.

Another thing that private schools can do that public schools can not. We have to teach the kids that private schools kick out or won’t accept

 

[vkj91]

Another thing that private schools can do that public schools can not. We have to teach the kids that private schools kick out or won’t accept

Yet, most here say private schools suck

 

[greenknight]

My SIL is this tiny little thing and she somehow made it through 25 years of teaching middle school math at a public school.
And most teachers will tell you- middle school kids are the worst. lol

I'll tell you middle school kids are the worst and I'm not a teacher just be experience with my kids

 

[T2Kplus20]

Yet, most here say private schools suck

Just the jealous ones. :)
One of the biggest advantages of a quality private school is the peer group.

 

[RUBOB72]

You say they should go by test scores......that shows you have no clue about education.

No I said we all took tests at Rutgers… when you take a test you get a score . Here I’ll simplify it for you… think of football or basketball . You take a test and they give you a score …an evaluation. You take test for a medical issue you get a score back . Pretty simple even for you.

 

[RUScrew85]

I've never seen so many overpaid, under achieving people complain so much in my life. Go look at the stats you overworked folks have achieved. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

 

[Rhuarc]

I've never seen so many overpaid, under achieving people complain so much in my life. Go look at the stats you overworked folks have achieved. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

It's called a conversation. Your lack of ability to discuss something without getting so angry about is pretty sad. You need to stop judging others so much and work on yourself instead. You need to just stay in your lane.

 

[dconifer]

It's called a conversation. ... discuss something without getting so angry ...

Yeah, that's the new world. I hope it changes. It's not currently fashionable to behave as though maybe somebody you aren't in complete lockstep with on every issue is not an unfit, evil deviant who has the goal of destroying the country and the world. Apparently President Trump and President Biden are both determined to ruin the United States of America and all it stands for.

It's wrecking so many things. We now have a small but growing group in Congress who are attempting to remove their leader for daring to compromise and come to arrangements with other members across the aisle. It's as if they have no inkling of what Democracy is and how American government used to work, which was better than it does today.

What is currently fashionable is believing in our own ability to know everything about every topic without even listening to anything that anyone else has to say...

 

[mdk01]

Yeah, that's the new world. I hope it changes. It's not currently fashionable to behave as though maybe somebody you aren't in complete lockstep with on every issue is not an unfit, evil deviant who has the goal of destroying the country and the world. Apparently President Trump and President Biden are both determined to ruin the United States of America and all it stands for.

It's wrecking so many things. We now have a small but growing group in Congress who are attempting to remove their leader for daring to compromise and come to arrangements with other members across the aisle. It's as if they have no inkling of what Democracy is and how American government used to work, which was better than it does today.

What is currently fashionable is believing in our own ability to know everything about every topic without even listening to anything that anyone else has to say...

Seabiscuit's attempt to remove him failed by a wide margin yesterday. But I'm sure it produced a lot of campaign contributions. Same thing for "The Squad" and their actions on the other side.

 

[RUBOB72]

It's called a conversation. Your lack of ability to discuss something without getting so angry about is pretty sad. You need to stop judging others so much and work on yourself instead. You need to just stay in your lane.

Yes … a conversation is great but what is being thrown back at those dissatisfied , overworked, burned out educators is why then do teachers continue to support those things which are causing them this issue ? How many ( on average ) days do teachers ( in NJ/ NY ) actually work with an entire school year September through June? How many days off for holidays, teachers convention, winter recess, spring breaks.Parents are much to blame but so are state and especially local administrations .

 

[tico brown]

how does a school score a ZERO? so many questions

Lowest-Performing NJ Schools Revealed In New Report

Was your school district ranked low during the 2022-23 school year? See the full list.

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I believe two of those schools are alternative schools, which has the kids who’s next stop is Rahway or Leesburg.

And you have the charter school, which is one of the biggest money scams ever that few talk about.

 

[RUBOB72]

It is factually proven( fsg2) teachers for the most part don’t like what they see…. Some do…most don’t.It only gets solved when all parties realize the educational system in this country is broken. Parents are needed to guide and discipline . it never was supposed to be the school and teacher’s responsibility.

 

[tico brown]

Ironic that the idiots screaming about how lazy teachers are, how easy they have it, etc are the same moron’s with a ‘Back the Blue’ bumper sticker on their cars….

Now I’m not at all suggesting we don’t need police, more so pointing out the unbelievable hypocrisy among this special group of individuals… caring so deeply about one public service while shitting on another.

I wouldn’t go that far. But some of them are the same people who have no problems with CEOs who make 7-9 figures while claiming poverty when they double prices of basic stuff.

As far as going after educators, teachers are not the ones who should have theirs reemed up, over, and through when you have 9-15 administrators making 6 figures for doing the same job and there’s openings for the horse 💩, 6 figure positions of: “Executive Assistant for the Office of Equity, Family and Community Outreach” and “Director of Professional Growth.”

 

[RUBOB72]

I'll tell you middle school kids are the worst and I'm not a teacher just be experience with my kids

That is exactly the age group who has always been a little out of control. Even back in the 60’’s . But how were these students handled . Discipline not capitulation was standard .Was it always the end all? No…but it did prevent the things which are according to teachers running rampant in schools today. I maintain our teachers need to push back and not accept all the nonsensical guidelines their unions push and administrators follow. I have two family members teaching in districts considered oppressed . Their students are 6-7 th graders.

 

[RUBOB72]

I'll tell you middle school kids are the worst and I'm not a teacher just be experience with my kids

That is exactly the age group who has always been a little out of control. Even back in the 60’’s . But how were these students handled . Discipline not capitulation was standard .Was it always the end all? No…but it did prevent the things which are according to teachers running rampant in schools today. I maintain our teachers need to push back and not accept all the crap their unions push and administrators enforce

 

[RUBOB72]

I wouldn’t go that far. But some of them are the same people who have no problems with CEOs who make 7-9 figures while claiming poverty when they double prices of basic stuff.

As far as going after educators, teachers are not the ones who should have theirs reemed up, over, and through when you have 9-15 administrators making 6 figures for doing the same job and there’s openings for the horse 💩, 6 figure positions of: “Executive Assistant for the Office of Equity, Family and Community Outreach” and “Director of Professional Growth.”

The number of School Superintendents in NJ making over 200 k is comical.

 

[365Poster24Seven]

So many talking crap about teachers yet have the time to be at work posting entirely too much. I know most of the posters are retired and bored men but many of you are posting a bit too much on company time.

 

[RUBOB72]

Company time? In retirement?

 

[MADHAT1]

Company time? In retirement?

Bob , think about this
"but many of you are posting a bit too much on company time".
So that part is not about the retired posting in this thread, but the ones that are supposedly working and posting during working hours .

 

[Rhuarc]

The number of School Superintendents in NJ making over 200 k is comical.

How much should they make for running a school district? A top teacher in my school district makes 100k, assistant principal, 130k, principal 170k.

 

[mdk01]

How much should they make for running a school district? A top teacher in my school district makes 100k, assistant principal, 130k, principal 170k.

The question in my mind is numbers, but not so much numbers in a paycheck. Rather, numbers of administrators. Even moreso in colleges, but they' ve exploded across academia. Some are created by federal and state legislation., but are all these really necessary?

 

[RUBOB72]

I work hard reading the drivel posted by the teachers complaining about burnout while teaching less than 180 days per calendar year. As for Superintendent’s compensation . It realistically should be based upon their academic scores of those untamed middle schoolers and teachers in their charge.

 

[RUBOB72]

Bob , think about this
"but many of you are posting a bit too much on company time".
So that part is not about the retired posting in this thread, but the ones that are supposedly working and posting during working hours .

I gave you an answer so read on … you won’t like it but it makes the point. Even you can understand it.😎

 

[RUBOB72]

How much should they make for running a school district? A top teacher in my school district makes 100k, assistant principal, 130k, principal 170k.

Sounds fair and based upon their educational background, length in the profession , and union tiers. My other issues are in districts where there are 2-3 high schools , 2-3 -4 middle schools with each having a principal and 2 vice principals in each . It really is a money pit for taxpayers. I believe in fair pay and benefits for those who actually earn it.

 

[MADHAT1]

I gave you an answer so read on … you won’t like it but it makes the point. Even you can understand it.😎

LOL, right Bob
Good answer for not understanding what was said.😁

 

[Rhuarc]

Sounds fair and based upon their educational background, length in the profession , and union tiers. My other issues are in districts where there are 2-3 high schools , 2-3 -4 middle schools with each having a principal and 2 vice principals in each . It really is a money pit for taxpayers. I believe in fair pay and benefits for those who actually earn it.

I think there are many schools that would benefit from consolidation, which would help reduce certain types of admins. I'm not sure what the most effective student/principal ratio is, but it would be nice to have some kind of standard that varies based upon need.

 

[mdk01]

I think there are many schools that would benefit from consolidation, which would help reduce certain types of admins. I'm not sure what the most effective student/principal ratio is, but it would be nice to have some kind of standard that varies based upon need.

Local control is a very Jersey thing. I think the worry is regionalization. But that shouldn't eliminate two small districts, which used to have larger student populations during the "boomer" days from merging, which would keep things local

 

[tico brown]

How much should they make for running a school district? A top teacher in my school district makes 100k, assistant principal, 130k, principal 170k.

Shouldn’t be a question if schools are falling apart, not getting the equipment, materials, facilities needed to help the kids learn and succeed because the money was needed to pay for the superintendent’s 6 figure salary, housing allowance, use of vehicle and driver, and all the other perks… And to pay for the multiple 6 figure assistant and associate superintendents, supervisors, and other administrators and consultants.

 

[RUBOB72]

UR Brain dead try to do better.😜

 

[tico brown]

Shocking.

 

[e5fdny]

Shocking.

Wait ‘til he starts replying to himself.

 

[RUBOB72]

NJ teacher’s union has been an example of misusing taxpayer $$$$$$ for decades . More pronounced over the past 20-25 years as it has become a place to milk the system. At one time I knew 3 NJ superintendents from high school 1968 . Some of the first to benefit from the changes made to tiers, tenure, salaries , medical / health and retirement age. It’s a great gig. If it wasn’t why did they stay? Today , it is only tougher because there are very few meaningful punishments for disruptive students. Lawsuits… accusations and gutless BOE’s and MIA parents … it is allowed by many states.